2021 NBA Offseason

[Wamu]

I like the part where nothing is offered back to cleveland for them

It'll be something bizarre like Goran (nothing against him, he's just getting up there in NBA years) and Udonis Haslem.

 

[tlance]

I like the part where nothing is offered back to cleveland for them

And honestly that isn’t crazy.

Sexton is a good young player. But he is going to be an RFA after next season.

Do you really want to pay him $30 million a year? A contender would for a 3rd option.

But there is a reason Cleveland is shopping him. They may not want to sign that deal. His RFA status negatively impacts his trade value too. Because the acquiring team is going to have to pay him also.

End result is probably that Sexton + Love doesn’t net a whole lot in terms of assets.

 

[dtgold88]

How about Simmons plus Sixers one this year and next plus Thybulle for Love and the 3? It would be like drafting Simmons over the player they covet at 3 while also getting out of the Love contract. Sixers could also take back either the Prince or Nance deal if the Cavs want out.

Nance might have the best nonrookie deal in the league right now so doubt cavs want out of that one.

Unless everyone is wrong about this draft I cannot see them giving up a guy most say would have gone #1 ahead of Edwards and Ball...on a rookie deal for 4 years.....to take Simmons, who has a huge deal.

 

[dtgold88]

And now for the crazy talk…
If Lillard wants out, history says that the team that deals the disgruntled star is going to lose the deal. So understand that I agree with you. The Blazers are losing this deal. I don’t know if there are many teams out there that can beat a deal for Simmons and Tyrese Maxey. My guess would be the Celtics could beat it with Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart. But I’ve read that Beal is the object of their desire this off season. Am I missing anybody out there who would be the contender Lillard seeks that can best that deal the Sixers could potentially offer?

a number of teams could beat it. Guessing most fans here could come up with a deal their team would make that would be better than Simmons and Maxey.

I'll start. Sexton or Garland, the #3 and Love (from Portland). If they don't want Love make it salary filler they want.

Not to say cavs (or other teams) WOULD offer more, but they could.

 

[fightinfunbags]

a number of teams could beat it. Guessing most fans here could come up with a deal their team would make that would be better than Simmons and Maxey.

I'll start. Sexton or Garland, the #3 and Love (from Portland). If they don't want Love make it salary filler they want.

Not to say cavs (or other teams) WOULD offer more, but they could.

There are only about 5-6 squads Dame would force a trade to. The Cavs aren’t one. That plays heavily in my asset that the Blazers won’t do much better than a guy like Simmons. The big names don’t really have assets unless someone like Denver would swap a Murray for Dame.

 

[dtgold88]

And honestly that isn’t crazy.

Sexton is a good young player. But he is going to be an RFA after next season.

Do you really want to pay him $30 million a year? A contender would for a 3rd option.

But there is a reason Cleveland is shopping him. They may not want to sign that deal. His RFA status negatively impacts his trade value too. Because the acquiring team is going to have to pay him also.

End result is probably that Sexton + Love doesn’t net a whole lot in terms of assets.

Not sure what is most comical....you think Cleveland is shopping him just to get rid of him or that they could get nothing for a 22-year old 24 ppg scorer who still has a modest deal.

Never mind all you are going by are baseless rumors. I mean, sure, he's not an untouchable so if someone calls they'll listen and they could ask others what they'd offer for him.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Not sure what is most comical....you think Cleveland is shopping him just to get rid of him or that they could get nothing for a 22-year old 24 ppg scorer who still has a modest deal.

Never mind all you are going by are baseless rumors. I mean, sure, he's not an untouchable so if someone calls they'll listen and they could ask others what they'd offer for him.

ESPN is floating a deal of Sexton Love and a 2022 top 10 protected draft choice for Simmons.

 

[dtgold88]

There are only about 5-6 squads Dame would force a trade to. The Cavs aren’t one. That plays heavily in my asset that the Blazers won’t do much better than a guy like Simmons. The big names don’t really have assets unless someone like Denver would swap a Murray for Dame.

OK...but you said "I don't know of many teams out there that could beat Simmons/Maxey"

There are. and as I said, guessing you could find one for nearly every team. Would he go there...that's another story. don't even know he'd go to Philly, do we?

 

[dtgold88]

ESPN is floating a deal of Sexton Love and a 2022 top 10 protected draft choice for Simmons.

It's definitely interesting for both teams.

 

[Black Adam]

ESPN is floating a deal of Sexton Love and a 2022 top 10 protected draft choice for Simmons.

Interesting...

 

[fightinfunbags]

OK...but you said "I don't know of many teams out there that could beat Simmons/Maxey"

There are. and as I said, guessing you could find one for nearly every team. Would he go there...that's another story. don't even know he'd go to Philly, do we?

My fault. I was assuming we’d all be on the same page in that if Dame wants out of Portland that it’s to go to the contender. If you’re a guard like Dame who are you gonna get paired with that is better than Joel Embiid that can erase your defensive mistakes. He can take a scoring load off. He hasn’t been paired with a better pick and roll option since Aldridge in Embiid. The teams comes with a solid 3rd option in Harris. It likely means Danny Green would want to come back. Dame has played with Seth Curry and he along with Green are good outlets for his drive and kick. I don’t think I’m going too far in saying that the Sixers would be on his short list.

 

[dtgold88]

It'll be something bizarre like Goran (nothing against him, he's just getting up there in NBA years) and Udonis Haslem.

could they throw in a Norris Cole rookie card because he went to school here?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Interesting...

I like it better if Morey has a plan to send Love elsewhere and bring back something else.

 

[dtgold88]

My fault. I was assuming we’d all be on the same page in that if Dame wants out of Portland that it’s to go to the contender. If you’re a guard like Dame who are you gonna get paired with that is better than Joel Embiid that can erase your defensive mistakes. He can take a scoring load off. He hasn’t been paired with a better pick and roll option since Aldridge in Embiid. The teams comes with a solid 3rd option in Harris. It likely means Danny Green would want to come back. Dame has played with Seth Curry and he along with Green are good outlets for his drive and kick. I don’t think I’m going too far in saying that the Sixers would be on his short list.

I cannot say I know where he'd want to play and maybe Philly would be best FOR DAME, but guessing other contenders could offer more than Simmons and Maxey if they wanted. ...and Portland wouldn't care what is best for Dame. someone mentioned the Cs COULD offer more and I agree. Clips COULD offer more if they'd include PG. Maybe Holiday, Portis and Divincenzo from the Bucks?

 

[thunderc]

So how much does this yeas title get devalued due to injuries?

 

[fightinfunbags]

I cannot say I know where he'd want to play and maybe Philly would be best FOR DAME, but guessing other contenders could offer more than Simmons and Maxey if they wanted. ...and Portland wouldn't care what is best for Dame. someone mentioned the Cs COULD offer more and I agree. Clips COULD offer more if they'd include PG. Maybe Holiday, Portis and Divincenzo from the Bucks?

That was me that noted that Jaylen Brown Marcus Smart and draft assets would be a better deal. But I’ve also read that they covet Beal. A PG move would be better. Think the Bucks move is a push because of Holiday’s age. Portland wouldn’t be in win now mode if they deal Dame. That also diminishes the value they may hold in a PG.

 

[msgkings322]

So how much does this yeas title get devalued due to injuries?

Same as 2019?

Who does this 'devaluing'?

 

[thunderc]

Same as 2019?

Who does this 'devaluing'?

Well of course everyone is free to decide in their own minds how big every title is. Not all titles are created equal. For instance if Phoenix were to win would people say they got lucky like they did the Warriors? You don’t ever hear anyone saying the Bulls got lucky for instance, that’s what I mean.

 

[msgkings322]

Well of course everyone is free to decide in their own minds how big every title is. Not all titles are created equal. For instance if Phoenix were to win would people say they got lucky like they did the Warriors? You don’t ever hear anyone saying the Bulls got lucky for instance, that’s what I mean.

All titles involve some luck, even the Bulls, or the 2017 Warriors. Sometimes the luck is how the team got put together, sometimes it's injured opponents, etc.

So like you say, value it however you want. It's damn hard to win a title even when you get that luck you need. Raptors obviously got pretty lucky in 2019, like the Warriors did in 2015. This year so many of the good players are hurt that those of us watching will remember that as a factor. Doesn't mean it's not a legit title. It's still damn hard.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yeah, I don't see the point of "devaluing" a title. Every season, no matter who wins, there's always something that can be pointed at as "lucky". Or something that can be pointed to that if it did (or didn't) happen, that team doesn't win.

Might be injuries to opponents, lack of injuries to the team that won, a lucky shot that did (or didn't) go in. Heck, even the Warriors getting KD can be seen as luck that Steph struggled with injuries early in his career. That delayed his first huge contract. As unlucky as it seemed at the time, without those injury struggles, they don't have the cap space for KD.