2021 NBA Offseason

[bksballer89]

What drives me crazy about Simmons is that his practice form is actually decent. Better than Rondo's, for example. But he just won't shoot!

His petty pride is killing his career.

Always been my issue with him. If he attempted 3-5 mid range shots and maybe 1-2 threes then i can at least say look he's trying to expand his game

 

[The Q]

I think we can all agree that Philly is a 4th rate town filled with trash and bums.

Every mom in Philly is a hooker. LITERALLY.

Co-signed

 

[trojanfan12]

How is anyone celebrating Philly if both posters pointed out that Philly screwed up a bit with roster moves since getting Embiid and Simmons?

One of those things that only makes sense in Cane's head.

 

[Black Adam]

One of those things that only makes sense in Cane's head.

nah. his voices think he's crazy too...

 

[logic]

What drives me crazy about Simmons is that his practice form is actually decent. Better than Rondo's, for example. But he just won't shoot!

His petty pride is killing his career.

I'm not sure I'd call it pride. I think he gets in his head too much. You see him after one miss hang his head and mope. He needs to let the misses go and keep shooting: adopt a Kobe or Westbrook attitude forgetting the misses and knowing the next one will go down (insert dating or your mama joke here).

 

[tlance]

Agreed. And he clearly doesn’t watch the dude. This past season he put it all together for the first time in his career. Poorly timed hot take.

There are players he dislikes like LeBron and Embiid and he will invent any reason he can to irrationally criticize them.

Then there are players he is inexplicably fond of, like Solomon Hill, and he will go to great lengths to praise them.

 

[fightinfunbags]

There are players he dislikes like LeBron and Embiid and he will invent any reason he can to irrationally criticize them.

Then there are players he is inexplicably fond of, like Solomon Hill, and he will go to great lengths to praise them.

The Embiid stuff makes sense though because he’s a Pacers fan. His team has been glorified dog shit at the 5 and they can’t match up with Embiid. They’re impressed with Miles Turner in Indiana and Embiid clowns him in every head to head matchup.

 

[tlance]

I'm not sure I'd call it pride. I think he gets in his head too much. You see him after one miss hang his head and mope. He needs to let the misses go and keep shooting: adopt a Kobe or Westbrook attitude forgetting the misses and knowing the next one will go down (insert dating or your mama joke here).

Yeah, and while I am sure he is not the hardest worker in the league, I disagree totally with people claiming that he doesn’t work on his game.

Simmons’ issues appear like they are almost exclusively mental. He has very little confidence in his shot and he also doesn’t seem to be able to handle failure so he avoids taking risk.

Where is Pasta when you need him?

I don’t think Simmons will ever be a good NBA shooter. But that stroke looks a lot better than Giannis. He has to get over that mental hurdle somehow.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Yeah, and while I am sure he is not the hardest worker in the league, I disagree totally with people claiming that he doesn’t work on his game.

Simmons’ issues appear like they are almost exclusively mental. He has very little confidence in his shot and he also doesn’t seem to be able to handle failure so he avoids taking risk.

Where is Pasta when you need him?

I don’t think Simmons will ever be a good NBA shooter. But that stroke looks a lot better than Giannis. He has to get over that mental hurdle somehow.

Agree 110% with this issue being mental. Would also add that for Simmons to take the next step, he needs a change of scenery. He would benefit most from going to an also ran where he can be the team’s best player. As it stands now, regardless of how he’s being played, the best shot on the floor is almost guaranteed to be someone else whether that’s an Embiid post up, a Tobias Harris clear out, or a DG or Curry catch and shoot opportunity. As long as he can fall back on that philosophy that all the other shots are better than him taking a shot, he’ll never change.

 

[WiggyRuss]

So then…

Are you actually agreeing with DT that the Cavs rebuild is similar to what the 6ers did?

You can’t believe that.

The only similarity is the record.

its the only similarity that matters. lol. dont you get that?

if there is a difference- the biggest difference I see is that pre-rebuild the Cavs were extraordinarily successful and spent a ton of assets, spent a ton of luxury tax money, and the cupboard was pretty much utterly bare when they started their rebuild.

other than that- sucking to get some high picks is certainly not a strategy unique to the Sixers and Cavs. Teams from the Lakers to the Magic have done it in the last deecade. Sixers just did it in an era where they profited from better lotto odds.

If the Cavs had the pick that came with their ending spot (much more likely under the old lotto system)- right now they would be building around a core of Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball and Scottie Barnes I imagine.

(unless they were stupid enough to draft Wiseman instead of Ball)

 

[Wamu]

One of those things that only makes sense in Cane's head.

The only thing in cane's head is empty space.

 

[fightinfunbags]

its the only similarity that matters. lol. dont you get that?

if there is a difference- the biggest difference I see is that pre-rebuild the Cavs were extraordinarily successful and spent a ton of assets, spent a ton of luxury tax money, and the cupboard was pretty much utterly bare when they started their rebuild.

other than that- sucking to get some high picks is certainly not a strategy unique to the Sixers and Cavs. Teams from the Lakers to the Magic have done it in the last deecade. Sixers just did it in an era where they profited from better lotto odds.

If the Cavs had the pick that came with their ending spot (much more likely under the old lotto system)- right now they would be building around a core of Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball and Scottie Barnes I imagine.

(unless they were stupid enough to draft Wiseman instead of Ball)

You actually just pointed out a big difference in approach. The Sixers had Iguodala and Holiday and floated between a 5-7 seed. They purposefully got bad as a part of their plan. That’s not what the Cavs did. LeBron bailed and that’s why they became bad. That wasn’t a choice from the front office. They were reacting to a more impactful choice made by a player. It seems like you Cavs fans want to think of this as “a plan”. It’s really not. They’re just a team who went for it, won a championship and like many teams before them got bad when the talent aged or moved on.

 

[The Q]

The Embiid stuff makes sense though because he’s a Pacers fan. His team has been glorified dog shit at the 5 and they can’t match up with Embiid. They’re impressed with Miles Turner in Indiana and Embiid clowns him in every head to head matchup.

to be fair, he’s an elite c. Who doesn’t embiid clown? He’s a top 5 player on the entire planet

stopping embiid is a rough bar to leave a guys talent at

 

[The Q]

its the only similarity that matters. lol. dont you get that?

if there is a difference- the biggest difference I see is that pre-rebuild the Cavs were extraordinarily successful and spent a ton of assets, spent a ton of luxury tax money, and the cupboard was pretty much utterly bare when they started their rebuild.

other than that- sucking to get some high picks is certainly not a strategy unique to the Sixers and Cavs. Teams from the Lakers to the Magic have done it in the last deecade. Sixers just did it in an era where they profited from better lotto odds.

If the Cavs had the pick that came with their ending spot (much more likely under the old lotto system)- right now they would be building around a core of Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball and Scottie Barnes I imagine.

(unless they were stupid enough to draft Wiseman instead of Ball)

The last part seems highly likely lol

but not trading love and extending him and not trading nance for assets also fly in the face of that.

 

[fightinfunbags]

to be fair, he’s an elite c. Who doesn’t embiid clown? He’s a top 5 player on the entire planet

stopping embiid is a rough bar to leave a guys talent at

Wow. We may be tossing around elite too often if Miles Turner is an elite center.

 

[The Q]

Wow. We may be tossing around elite too often if Miles Turner is an elite center.

elite defensive c. Sorry. My b

 

[fightinfunbags]

elite defensive c. Sorry. My b

I disagree with that as well. He can’t body anybody up. He is a plus off the ball shot blocker. He isn’t very good when he’s switched onto wings and guards either the way the real elite defensive 5s can like Bam and Embiid.

 

[tlance]

its the only similarity that matters. lol. dont you get that?

if there is a difference- the biggest difference I see is that pre-rebuild the Cavs were extraordinarily successful and spent a ton of assets, spent a ton of luxury tax money, and the cupboard was pretty much utterly bare when they started their rebuild.

other than that- sucking to get some high picks is certainly not a strategy unique to the Sixers and Cavs. Teams from the Lakers to the Magic have done it in the last deecade. Sixers just did it in an era where they profited from better lotto odds.

If the Cavs had the pick that came with their ending spot (much more likely under the old lotto system)- right now they would be building around a core of Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball and Scottie Barnes I imagine.

(unless they were stupid enough to draft Wiseman instead of Ball)

No.

Because it is the process that we are talking about. Not the result.

And the way those teams achieved those records couldn’t have been more different.

Which again, is what we are talking about.

 

[tlance]

No.

Because it is the process that we are talking about. Not the result.

And the way those teams achieved those records couldn’t have been more different.

Which again, is what we are talking about.

That is definitely true with most NFL contracts.

I do think the QB position is again different though

Yes, non-guarantees do give the franchise an out of the player collapses.

But, he would have to be pretty bad for that to happen toward the end of a multi-year deal.

The QB position really requires an all in investment from the franchise

 

[DJ Fieri]