2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

[seahawksfan234]

I read a bit on him a few leaks back. Me saying he is Tyler O'Neill like was from watching a few videos on him. Seems bulky in the upper body and has a short, compact swing much like O'Neill in my mind anyways.

Here is a good workup on him. I saw you had him listed at 182 lbs (I know baseball reference says that) but he looks bigger than that. This article has him at 216 which seems right based on the videos of him.

Seiya Suzuki: A Deep Dive On The Next Big Thing Out Of Japan — Prospects Live

OF Seiya Suzuki is being rumored to be posted to MLB this offseason. So why is Suzuki worth the hype?

www.prospectslive.com

This was actually the article I had open and hadn't read it yet but read it this morning and changes how I feel about him.

Yeah when I started watching videos on him, I realized there is no way he's only 182lbs and the Tyler O'Neill comp now makes a lot more sense. He's definitely more like 216lbs and built well. Given that he's 34lbs (clearly of good weight) heavier than I thought it definitely changes my calculus on his ability to hit for power in the majors.

I'm way better at scouting football players, but I really like what I see from Suzuki after spending this morning watching videos/reading about him. Ironically when looking at his swing he reminds me of Ohtani to a certain extent. Suzuki holds the bat a bit closer to his body but the thing that stands out to me about both of them is that they both do a really great job at using their entire body to generate power in their swings.

I say go for it depending on how much he commands. That article mentions that he is very selective with the pitches he swings at which I believe means he could translate a bit better than previous Japanese position players.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I’m really confused on this deal. Is this a shot across the bow to Scott Boras to have him lower the price or is this tossing in the towel on getting Semien? He is the perfect player for the Mariners to “overpay”. Don’t hate the move at all because it was a move we kind of all wanted them to make at the previous deadline, but it is just puzzling and as you said it kind of seems a backup plan move and the off-season hasn’t even really kicked into high gear yet.

Well I think we know our answer on Semien now.

Seems I might be the only one who thinks it was a good move. We didn't give up much to land Frazier and he is an above average player.

 

[NWinAZ]

This was actually the article I had open and hadn't read it yet but read it this morning and changes how I feel about him.

Yeah when I started watching videos on him, I realized there is no way he's only 182lbs and the Tyler O'Neill comp now makes a lot more sense. He's definitely more like 216lbs and built well. Given that he's 34lbs (clearly of good weight) heavier than I thought it definitely changes my calculus on his ability to hit for power in the majors.

I'm way better at scouting football players, but I really like what I see from Suzuki after spending this morning watching videos/reading about him. Ironically when looking at his swing he reminds me of Ohtani to a certain extent. Suzuki holds the bat a bit closer to his body but the thing that stands out to me about both of them is that they both do a really great job at using their entire body to generate power in their swings.

I say go for it depending on how much he commands. That article mentions that he is very selective with the pitches he swings at which I believe means he could translate a bit better than previous Japanese position players.

At this point, M's should welcome anybody wanting to go there.

 

[NWinAZ]

Well I think we know our answer on Semien now.

Seems I might be the only one who thinks it was a good move. We didn't give up much to land Frazier and he is an above average player.

Take away his few months with Pitt last year and he is a career .272 hitter with no power. If they plan on him playing some OF, that is a weak bat.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Dipoto says this trade doesn't stop them from doing any other deals (I really doubt this far into free agency there are any other deals for M's to make), but at $7.5M that does take a big chunk of what they have to spend. M's aren't known for going to the cap payroll wise so I think it does play an impact on future deals.

$7.5m is nothing with how much we have available to spend unless we're trying to become the Rays.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Take away his few months with Pitt last year and he is a career .272 hitter with no power. If they plan on him playing some OF, that is a weak bat.

Why do you always have to kill my enthusiasm lol? Looking at the bright side (What else better do we have to do? We're Mariners fans), we didn't give up much for him and if the Mariners have at least 2 big additions via free agency, I don't think this move will look as bad in retrospect.

I will say that it would be absurd to put him in the outfield given that he's a plus defender at second with a bat fitting that of a middle infielder.

 

[seahawksfan234]

No idea who this guy is so may be bogus:

His bio says he's 19 years old and also adds that he's an MLB insider and writer for FOX (which I highly doubt). I find it highly unlikely to be credible unless he's related to Gausman.

 

[seahawksfan234]

• Ken Rosenthal’s notes for The Athletic include some discussion of the Seattle Marinersand their intentions. The club is reportedly in the final few clubs attempting to lure RHP Kevin Gausman, as well as heavily interested in SS/UTIL Chris Taylor, among others. They also appear comfortable with Abraham Toro getting 400 plate appearances in any case, and may look to platoon Toro and Frazier.

Yeah nevermind we're fucked.

Abraham Toro getting 400 plate appearances after the acquisition of Frazier should be a worst case scenario.

 

[ulmax]

i hear cris taylor as well..for cf..idont thnk..they will..get another.infielder..if they have taylor.yes..he is 2b...he is the best utility on the planet...
as far as i know....

 

[seahawksfan234]

Would you guys have given Marcus Semien 7 years $175m?

I know we're desperate, will have to overpay and I really did want to add Semien, but Semien has only had two elite seasons and he's 31 years old. This pays him $25m a year until he's 38... MLBTR had him projected to get 6 years $138m.

 

[NWinAZ]

Would you guys have given Marcus Semien 7 years $175m?

I know we're desperate, will have to overpay and I really did want to add Semien, but Semien has only had two elite seasons and he's 31 years old. This pays him $25m a year until he's 38... MLBTR had him projected to get 6 years $138m.

If he could have given us 3 or 4 playoff runs, yes. People worry about the back end of the contracts when we should just be happy if we get 2+ playoff runs after 20 years of none.

 

[NWinAZ]

$7.5m is nothing with how much we have available to spend unless we're trying to become the Rays.

We don't know how much they will spend. Remember last offseason? They were not within $100M of our expectations.

 

[ulmax]

Mauricio Dubon,..i like to give him a shot...CF/SS/2B....mabe even 3b

NEW YORK — Major League Baseball and the players’ union agreed to move the upcoming deadline for teams to offer contracts to certain players to keep them out of potential limbo in the event of a work stoppage next month.

The tender deadline was moved from Dec. 2 to Nov. 30 at 8 p.m. The sport's collective bargaining agreement expires Dec. 1 at 11:59 p.m., and it's not expected that MLB and the union will agree on a new deal before then. A lockout and roster freeze could begin Dec.

• Non-tender candidates: Josh Bell, Sam Clay, Mike Ford, Ryne Harper, Andres Machado, Victor Robles, Josh Rogers, Andrew Stevenson, Wander Suero, Austin Voth

i hope there are some surprises..the mariners can take advantge of

 

[ulmax]

not a good idea.over 6and at 31..6.is prob close to the rest of the career...semien..

 

[ulmax]

if he is non tenderd....well..welll..well...just..come right over.......yeah..its only 6 games good...worth a try...
i will..fly the josh rodgers....whhhaat...flag....jolly ////josh...ok...whatever...

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• 6' 3"/210
• Age: 27

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• Joshua Cole Rogers
• Born: 7/10/1994 in New Albany, IN
• Draft: 2015, New York Yankees, Round: 11, Overall Pick: 333
• College: Louisville
• Debut: 8/28/2018

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Season	Team	LG	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	HLD	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	NP	HB	BB	IBB	SO	AVG	WHIP	GO/AO
2018	BAL	AL	1	2	8.49	3	3	0	0	0	0	0	11.2	17	11	11	2	212	0	5	0	6	.340	1.89	0.65
2019	BAL	AL	0	1	8.79	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	14.1	18	14	14	7	263	4	6	0	5	.305	1.67	0.38
2021	WSH	NL	2	2	3.28	6	6	0	0	0	0	0	35.2	32	13	13	7	533	2	14	0	22	.241	1.29	0.50
MLB Career	-	-	3	5	5.55	14	9	0	0	0	0	0	61.2	67	38	38	16	1008	6	25	0	33	.277	1.49	0.49

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[ulmax]

minors stats..

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Season	Team	LG	Level	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	HLD	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	NP	HB	BB	IBB	SO	AVG	WHIP	GO/AO
2015	2 teams	-	Minors	2	0	4.05	5	0	0	0	1	1	1	13.1	14	6	6	0	186	1	3	0	16	.286	1.28	0.75
2016	2 teams	-	Minors	12	6	2.38	24	24	2	2	0	0	0	136.1	125	41	36	6	1872	8	22	0	115	.242	1.08	0.84
2017	2 teams	-	Minors	8	5	3.24	15	15	0	0	0	0	0	91.2	80	36	33	8	1229	6	16	0	80	.235	1.05	0.87
2018	2 teams	-	Minors	8	9	3.54	24	24	1	1	0	0	0	139.2	144	62	55	16	2111	3	36	1	101	.263	1.29	0.72
2019	NOR	INT	AAA	2	6	8.51	11	11	0	0	0	0	0	55.0	86	53	52	18	913	2	10	0	33	.357	1.75	0.53
2021	2 teams	-	Minors	7	6	4.48	18	15	0	0	0	0	0	90.1	99	49	45	14	1471	5	24	0	63	.274	1.36	0.84
Minors Career	-	-	Minors	39	32	3.88	97	89	3	3	1	1	1	526.1	548	247	227	62	7782	25	111

seems like he finnally..started pitching like he can....at mlb..
2019 was his in between bad year....now we will see...the real rodgers......maybe...thats the gamble..
although..this one does not seem as bad as some

 

[ulmax]

 

[wazzu31]

Would you guys have given Marcus Semien 7 years $175m?

I know we're desperate, will have to overpay and I really did want to add Semien, but Semien has only had two elite seasons and he's 31 years old. This pays him $25m a year until he's 38... MLBTR had him projected to get 6 years $138m.

Yes and IMO a rather easy yes. A position of great need, with zero organizational depth unless I guess you couldn’t include Toro. Semien is the guy they should have gotten and should’ve been option 1-insert number, then a 3B then a pitcher. Frazier is a great upgrade from last year but essentially puts Seattle in the same position next year where a priority in the off-season is 2B.

 

[NWinAZ]

Seager > Frazier.

So we haven't improved yet. We have actually regressed to a point.

 

[ulmax]

Matt Brash 4is not a joke,,he is good...he will prob be at tacoma..but he is good

seager

2021

SEA

AL

159

603

73

128

264

29

1

35

101

59

2

161

3

1

.212

.285

.438

.723

0.58

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2019	PIT	NL	152	554	80	154	231	33	7	10	50	40	4	75	5	5	.278	.336	.417	.753	0.95
2020	PIT	NL	58	209	22	48	76	7	0	7	23	17	0	35	1	3	.230	.297	.364	.661	0.95
2021	2 teams	-	155	577	83	176	237	36	5	5	43	48	2	69	10	5	.305	.368	.411	.779	0.8

it seems..not..yet,,,but they need..frazer,,,,,and they still have to add 2 more bats..at least...it will help frazer..to add taylor..
and some things would be soolved