2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

[NWinAZ]

I put the Astros didn’t I? Everyone hates Houston.

Damn I can't read anymore. You did, my bad. I thought that was the oddest thing. No wonder.

 

[NWinAZ]

 

[ulmax]

if you have...kids...you may know what im talking about.............if you follow there eyes..can tell you ...much...there attitude...much..more..

and..this is ..a kids reaction...atop.....that does not ..believe...his parents....have been there..done..that.........+so..ok.......moveing on

 

[ulmax]

How old are you?...lol.

and that ..is the 62 mil doller question....
cuz..we know i have the same birthday ..as kelenic.........well i had..a 1 in 351..chance.......lolol

i was 1
year old....when kennedy...did dallas
NamePositionMTV ($Ms) SteeleLHRP3.2 Strumpf2B5.4 Total Value: 8.60 NamePositionMTV ($Ms) CarlsonRHP0.5 Keenan1B1.1 MargeviciusSP0.1 SheffieldSP2 ThenRHP4.9 Total Value: 8.60 Mariners Cubs

 

[ulmax]

 

[ulmax]

what i found....yesterday..in...my study....is that ..the mariners can go in 2 directions.........both may work.....

if they did get

Seiya Suzuki.then ....they would prob have to trade.....kelenic and julio.......why.​

32 mil..for suzuki.....

Max Scherzer

SP

37.2

R

R

LAD

$34,603,480

$35,568,665

Marcus Semien

SS

31.1

R

R

TOR

$18,000,000

$19,554,245

..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................this alone..is 87 mil
out of ..your basic...100 mil to spend....any 150 mil..to spen..is your basic limit...with 44..aready spent...

so if they do this..........then they have to trade ....for young arbitration.........guys..for the rest...and yet they still want to go to the playoffs...

with the outfield coverd..with suzuki....they need a...cf.and cuz they are tradeing kelenic..has to be a LH+H....hence..the san diego trade.
getteing

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Gasser		Minors	LHP						1.1	0.8	1.1	1.4
Grisham	24	Majors	OF		Medium	4.0	79.5	28.1	51.4	30.8	41.1	51.4
Snell	28	Majors	SP		Very low	2.0	41.0	28.5	12.5	10	12.5	15

snell would cover..#2or #4
grisham...Cf.L/L..with.......... lewis..comming at some point..and fraley...for now........

but the point.....is.....to cover the rest.of the spots of need............you must trade......your best.....guys.kellenic..and julio........well..that is one way..to do it

the other is this...below

 

[ulmax]

add...it up...though....for example
ss/2B

Marcus Semien

SS

31.1

R

R

TOR

$18,000,000

$19,554,245

ace

Noah Syndergaard

SP

29.2

L

R

NYM

$9,700,000

$29,258,183

DH/OF

Kyle Schwarber

LF

28.7

L

R

BOS

$11,000,000

$12,926,191

3B

eduardo Escobar

3B

32.8

S

R

MIL

$7,500,000

$10,005,345

#4..starter

Steven Matz

SP

30.4

R

L

TOR

$5,200,000

-

sometime ======after...all star

James Paxton

SP

32.9

L

L

SEA

$8,500,000

....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................85 mil

.........................................................................................................................................................32..excude suzuki..​

.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................117

...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................45
,...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................162..mil..the 1st year.

not suzuki

85
45
......
120

Seiya Suzuki..............a bit steep........​

..32 mil..............

25

Seattle Mariners

36

$40,725,000

-

$3,750,000

-

-

$44,475,000

they have about.....100 mil to spend

 

[ulmax]

with all the above........you still have operating costs...and.....remember......they are responible..for making...a profite..as well
that....is why....they are in business......
and my math..may be off....but i dont want to push the limit...the 1st year.......when...they were 1 game away...last year...

any 2 x war..............addition..should do it........................pitching
hitting..same.......... 2x war...
for a total..of

4x war.........

 

[ulmax]

if....

Seiya Suzuki......​

did not choose seattle.....it .would make no ..diff anyway........

where dodrers and..yankees and boston.......and atlanta..may seem..way better...to go strait to the WS.

and yankees..in need..with no gardener....they always go over the...lux tax.......

well that is what i was thinking...anyway.........

 

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Year	Winning team	Manager	Games	Losing team	Manager
1903	Boston Americans (1, 1–0)​	Jimmy Collins​	5–3[V]	Pittsburgh Pirates (1, 0–1)​	Fred Clarke​

2008	Philadelphia Phillies (6, 2–4)​	Charlie Manuel​	4–1	Tampa Bay Rays (1, 0–1)​	Joe Maddon​
2009	New York Yankees (40, 27–13)​	Joe Girardi​	4–2	Philadelphia Phillies (7, 2–5)​	Charlie Manuel​
2010	San Francisco Giants (18, 6–12)​	Bruce Bochy​	4–1	Texas Rangers (1, 0–1)​	Ron Washington​
2011	St. Louis Cardinals[W] (18, 11–7)​	Tony La Russa​	4–3	Texas Rangers (2, 0–2)​	Ron Washington​
2012	San Francisco Giants (19, 7–12)​	Bruce Bochy​	4–0	Detroit Tigers (11, 4–7)​	Jim Leyland​
2013	Boston Red Sox (12, 8–4)​	John Farrell​	4–2	St. Louis Cardinals (19, 11–8)​	Mike Matheny​
2014	San Francisco Giants[W] (20, 8–12)​	Bruce Bochy​	4–3	Kansas City Royals[W] (3, 1–2)​	Ned Yost​
2015	Kansas City Royals (4, 2–2)​	Ned Yost​	4–1	New York Mets (5, 2–3)​	Terry Collins​
2016	Chicago Cubs (11, 3–8)​	Joe Maddon	4–3	Cleveland Indians (6, 2–4)​	Terry Francona
2017	Houston Astros (2, 1–1)​	A. J. Hinch​	4–3	Los Angeles Dodgers (19, 6–13)​	Dave Roberts​
2018	Boston Red Sox (13, 9–4)​	Alex Cora​	4–1	Los Angeles Dodgers (20, 6–14)​	Dave Roberts​
2019	Washington Nationals[W] (1, 1–0)​	Dave Martinez	4–3	Houston Astros (3, 1–2)​	A. J. Hinch
2020	Los Angeles Dodgers (21, 7–14)​	Dave Roberts	4–2	Tampa Bay Rays (2, 0–2)​	Kevin Cash
2021	Atlanta Braves (10, 4–6)​	Brian Snitker	4–2	Houston Astros (4, 1–3)​	Dusty Baker

 

[ulmax]

mets went to WS...but there
outfield........was good...but..not great.............then..and..now..pitching is the deal...defence..that is all i have...for now.....

 

[ulmax]

crit mass...(..sandtego.. Eric Hosmer 30 as an example..).....means something..else..in baseball..lol........mariners do not want to go there........lux tax.....

 

[NWinAZ]

and that ..is the 62 mil doller question....
cuz..we know i have the same birthday ..as kelenic.........well i had..a 1 in 351..chance.......lolol

i was 1
year old....when kennedy...did dallas
NamePositionMTV ($Ms) SteeleLHRP3.2 Strumpf2B5.4 Total Value: 8.60 NamePositionMTV ($Ms) CarlsonRHP0.5 Keenan1B1.1 MargeviciusSP0.1 SheffieldSP2 ThenRHP4.9 Total Value: 8.60 Mariners Cubs

Well then you are older that shit...and 5 years older than me.

 

[ulmax]

take baseball..as....X.==========150 mil+op cost++++arb.new cost.......whatever..happens you...must stay under..lux tax
the deadline cost is an unknown..............

Major League Baseball (MLB) has a luxury tax called the “competitive balance tax” (CBT). In place of a salary cap, the competitive balance tax regulates the total sum of money a given team can spend on their roster. Salary caps are common across professional sports leagues in the United States. Without these measures, teams aren't restricted in the amount of money spent on players' salaries. Therefore, teams with greater funding or revenue possess a competitive advantage in their ability to attract top talent via higher salaries.

The MLB implemented the competitive balance tax in 1997 to reduce anti-competitive behavior in the league. Each year, the competitive balance tax threshold is set by the Commissioner's Office. Unlike other professional sports leagues, the MLB allows teams to go over the threshold, however, doing so results in the team being charged a tax on all overages. Per the MLB's 2017-2021 Collective Bargaining Agreement, the overage premium for exceeding the competitive balance tax is tiered as follows:

Tax Rates for MLB Teams Surpassing CBT Threshold

Number of Seasons Over CBT Threshold	Tax Rate
1 season	20%
2 consecutive seasons	30%
3 or more consecutive seasons	50%

The luxury tax increases based on the number of consecutive seasons above the CBT threshold. If a club "dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset."[1] In addition to the luxury tax, "clubs that exceed the threshold by $20 million to $40 million are also subject to a 12 percent surtax. Meanwhile, those who exceed it by more than $40 million are taxed at a 42.5 percent rate the first time and a 45 percent rate if they exceed it by more than $40 million again the following year(s)."[2]

The primary goal of the CBT is to encourage a competitive balance amongst teams while allowing big spending on players. The CBT threshold/tax rates have undergone several changes since

 

[ulmax]

double jeoparty...penalty..............

The luxury tax increases based on the number of consecutive seasons above the CBT threshold. If a club "dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset."[1] In addition to the luxury tax,

"clubs that exceed the threshold by $20 million to $40 million are also subject to a 12 percent surtax.

Meanwhile, those who exceed it by more than $40 million are taxed at a 42.5 percent rate the first time and a 45 percent rate if they exceed it by more than $40 million again the following year(s)."[2]

Major League Baseball's luxury tax is justified by a working paper from the University of Zurich. The paper develops a game-theoretic model that addresses the effects of a luxury tax on competitive balance, team profits, and social welfare. This model has half the teams above a certain tax threshold, and the other half below. The teams above would pay taxable balance from their excess amount, and it would be redistributed to the teams below. This research proved that the small teams could have a larger salary than before, and the larger teams would not be affected as much. In other words, the total salaries of the league increased, helping the players, and the competitive balance and social welfare grew, helping the fans.[16]

References[edit]​

References[edit]​

1. ^ "What is a Competitive Balance Tax? | Glossary". Major League Baseball. Retrieved 2021-10-23.
2. ^ "What is a Competitive Balance Tax? | Glossary". Major League Baseball. Retrieved 2021-10-23.
3. ^ Jump up to:a b "Luxury Tax | FanGraphs Sabermetrics Library". fangraphs.com. Retrieved 2016-04-18.
4. ^ Jump up to:a b c "MLB's Evolving Luxury Tax | FanGraphs Baseball". fangraphs.com. Retrieved 2016-04-18.
5. ^ Jump up to:a b c d Orinick, Steve. "Baseball Competitive Balance "Luxury" Tax". stevetheump.com. Retrieved 2018-02-21.
6. ^ Jump up to:a b "2017-2021 Basic Agreement" (PDF). MLBPlayers.com. December 1, 2016. Archived from the original (PDF) on April 28, 2019.
7. ^ "2016 CBA". espn.com. December 2, 2016. Retrieved December 6, 2016.
8. ^ Todd, Jeff (December 16, 2016). "Six teams set to pay luxury tax". mlbtraderumors.com. Retrieved December 19, 2016.
9. ^ Axisa, Mike (December 15, 2018). "Only Red Sox, Nationals owe luxury tax in 2018 as MLB teams combine for smallest bill in 15 years". cbssports.com. Retrieved July 26, 2020.
10. ^ AP (December 18, 2019). "APNewsBreak: Red Sox, Yanks, Cubs sent 2019 luxury tax bills". usatoday.com. Retrieved July 26, 2020.
11. ^ Hunt, Justin (May 1, 2012). "To Share or Not To Share: Revenue Sharing Structures in Professional Sports". Texas Review of Entertainment and Sports Law.
12. ^ Lampe, Nick. "How is the luxury tax affecting this offseason?". Beyond the Box Score. Retrieved 2016-04-26.
13. ^ Jump up to:a b "Dodgers' tax bill comes due at record $43.7 million". USA TODAY. Retrieved 2016-04-26.
14. ^ Davis, Noah (2015-07-08). "Don't Be Fooled By Baseball's Small-Budget Success Stories". FiveThirtyEight. Retrieved 2016-05-03.
15. ^ Nelson, Susan Logan; Dennis, Steven A. (March 1, 2013). "Performance or Profit: A Dilemma for Major League Baseball". Academy of Business Research Journal.
16. ^ Dietl, Helmut M.; Lang, Markus; Werner, Stephan (June 2009). "The Effect of Competitive Balance, Club Profits, and Social Welfare in Sports
17. 
    
18. Leagues". Institute for Strategy and Business Economics University of Zurich.

 

[ulmax]

yeah............im so old the dinosaurs..got nothing on ...me lol

 

[NWinAZ]

yeah............im so old the dinosaurs..got nothing on ...me lol

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Lovely family...lol.

 

[ulmax]

but i remember

Steve Garvey​

Positions: First Baseman and Third Baseman
Bats: Right • Throws: Right
5-10, 192lb (178cm, 87kg)
Born: December 22, 1948 (Age: 72-319d) in Tampa, FL us
More bio, uniform, draft, salary info

• MVP
• 10x All-Star
• 1981 World Series
• 4x Gold Glove
• 2x NLCS MVP
• 2x AS MVP

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SUMMARY
watching...on tv...asking my grand pa..what...the..in 69.......

i later met him after........an mci..promotion.....3 guys where walking..into..mcDs
on base...so i said...what...the.....

i was just..in a gulf war....so i did not..prob act ...as i normaly wood....i was nice......and got a signed mci..promotion baseball..that they all signrd..
but ..i thought that was ..way cool
i did not know..who sammy was...but then again..i had just been...to the gulf for 8 months..and he was a rookie......lol
yep..lol
njce story..and true...lol

Steve Garvey​

with sammy sosa..was rookie
and whitey ford........

 

[ulmax]

Lovely family...lol.

yeah..ole gramps was ..a dodgers...fan i guess........but at 7 years old..i was baseball 101..lololol.
even though..he was not my real...gramps..he was .ww2...vet.....that took me and my brother.....hunting fishing........
the only gramps i ever .knew..........
so i guess...he was ..my real gramps..........in all the ways.............that count.......lololol..long gone now...but to me never...forgoten....lolol

ok paul harvey......that.is the rest...of the story.lolol

 

[ulmax]

crit mass...(..sandtego.. Eric Hosmer 30 as an example..).....means something..else..in baseball..lol........mariners do not want to go there........lux tax.....

where these guys are trying...to ach[eve....crit mass.........in baseball............you need to stay.away from it.........both...for the explotion........