2020 Patriots News

[Shoeshine Boy]

Players are never happy when they get tagged. Why should they be? What person anywhere wants to work for less than what they think they’re worth?

OTOH, he signed the tag. If he was really so pissed off he’d hold out instead.

 

[BigKen]

OTOH, he signed the tag. If he was really so pissed off he’d hold out instead.

Kind of hard to hold out on a $16M tag. That's twice as much as he's made in his entire career. He'll be a FA next year and someone will sign him for 5 years and $100M with $50M guaranteed. Thuney has never missed a game due to injury, he did have a bad case of the flu and was in and out of the Houston game like nearly the entire Patriots' roster.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

He'll be a FA next year and someone will sign him for 5 years and $100M with $50M guaranteed

Unless they tag him again next year.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Kind of hard to hold out on a $16M tag.

And yet plenty of players have done so because they were pissed off about being tagged and losing out on the big guaranteed $

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Look at the shenanigans going on with Ngakoue in Jacksonville right now to see what it looks like when a player is really pissed off about being tagged.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Players are never happy when they get tagged. Why should they be? What person anywhere wants to work for less than what they think they’re worth?

OTOH, he signed the tag. If he was really so pissed off he’d hold out instead.

They get paid the average of the top five at the position, No?
I understand there is long term contracts they would like, but hey, it's not like he's getting underpaid for a year.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

They get paid the average of the top five at the position, No?
I understand there is long term contracts they would like, but hey, it's not like he's getting underpaid for a year.

If someone offers you a check for $15M and someone else offers you a check for $45M today, which one would you want? Now imagine that once the first person offers you the 15 you’re not even allowed to consider the 45 offer. I mean awesome you got 15 but you gonna tell me your ass wouldn’t be a little chapped at missing out on the 45?

Guaranteed money is everything in the NFL.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

If someone offers you a check for $15M and someone else offers you a check for $45M today, which one would you want? Now imagine that once the first person offers you the 15 you’re not even allowed to consider the 45 offer. I mean awesome you got 15 but you gonna tell me your ass wouldn’t be a little chapped at missing out on the 45?

Guaranteed money is everything in the NFL.

I got all that. I'm just saying it's not like a fifth year option where he's getting paid $2 mil instead of the $15 mil.

Of the $15 mil it is all guaranteed.
Not all of other contracts are guaranteed.
Usually larger contracts are less guaranteed but potential for more overall.
We do not know what the market would be for Thuney, or any tagged player, we can only speculate.

I'm just saying it is not the kick in the bag that a lot of these diva's try to make it out to be.
But they are just part of the "I'm easily offended and everything is offensive" generation.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Fair enough. And again I’m basically just saying that while Thuney is probably (justifiably IMO) salty about being tagged, I think he’s probably not as pissed as the media might want to speculate given that he signed the tag now and not after Week 6 a la Mankins once upon a time.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

I think it’s safe to speculate the absolute floor for what Thuney would’ve gotten on the open market is Andrew Norwell’s deal from a couple years ago (5 yrs 66.5m with 30 guaranteed)

 

[nefansince75]

Resisting the tag is completely a selfish move. It's there because the union gave it for the benefit of the collective of players. All players are better with it.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Resisting the tag is completely a selfish move. It's there because the union gave it for the benefit of the collective of players. All players are better with it.

As are team and team are often selfish so should players IMO. The tag protects the team a lot more than the player.

 

[nefansince75]

As are team and team are often selfish so should players IMO. The tag protects the team a lot more than the player.

Of course. But it's the union that authorized its use. Players should be mad at their union and not the team. Could you imaging if the tag allowed a player to be paid 10% more than last year?

 

[YankeeRebel]

Of course. But it's the union that authorized its use. Players should be mad at their union and not the team.

The team imposes it and I am sure when the union approved it, it was a give and take. I suspect owners push real hard for this.

 

[nefansince75]

The team imposes it and I am sure when the union approved it, it was a give and take. I suspect owners push real hard for this.

but the union agreed in exchange for something else.. kinda tit for tit?

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Of course. But it's the union that authorized its use. Players should be mad at their union and not the team. Could you imaging if the tag allowed a player to be paid 10% more than last year?

Or be mad at their agent for not getting a contract done.

 

[BigKen]

but the union agreed in exchange for something else.. kinda tit for tit?

They just agreed to it again for another ten years.

Thuney might just try to be Joe Thuney and play through this season. He'll get the contract next year. Unless he eases up or doesn't give it 100% and he gets injured.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

The franchise tag was something the players agreed to just to get something resembling real free agency in the first place. The owners love the tag. The players do not. But it’s still there largely due to inertia and the NFLPA’s inability to elect competent leadership for itself.

 

[BigKen]

Hey Shine......which of the Buc's 4th Round pick did the Patriots get? #117 or #139?

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

I haven’t seen it posted anywhere yet but I expect it will be the lower one. Licht did Bill a real solid giving him that high a pick as it is.