2020 NFL Draft Chat

[Draft Crazy]

I really think the Jets are going OT btw... I think you will see a heavy run on OT's prior to our pick... Jets, Browns, Cardinals (Dolphins trying to move up from 18 to nab one etc..) Wouldn't be shocked if we did move down a few spots with Miami moving up if only one WR was off the board when we go on the clock at 15. Buccaneers picking one ahead of us also need at OT and of course..... We do too.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I had some film sent to me by an agent I know this morning.

Jordan Love sure does have some poor decision making habits. It will be interesting to see where he goes in the draft. Some love him, some have no interest in him.

 

[fightinredantz]

If a team take Love in front of us in it will help a player fall to us.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Also look at the competition as well.
It’s not the Big 12 so yeah his stats mean more than Lambs running free in the no defense Big 12.

No doubt the big 12 defense sucks... But I still love what I see out of Lamb.

You have to dig deep on all aspects of scouting. Competition is surely one of the things you have to look at. Like I said before if we went with stats, teams like Washington State, Texas Tech. Western Kentucky, SMU any other Air Raid offense would be pounding players into the NFL.

What I like about Ceedee Lamb is that he tracks the deep ball better than anyone you will see in this draft. Ruggs, Jefferson, etc.. Those guys can go deep. They have great speed, but Lamb tracks the ball better than anyone (There is a big difference)

Lamb is the best WR I have seen in this draft that goes and gets the ball. He catches in traffic, he isn't afraid to go across the middle of the field. He loves contact/doesn't shy away from it. He uses his body better than any WR in this draft. He has the best concentration an body control by far of any WR in this draft. He is a great blocker and he is great after the catch. He beats press coverage probably as well as any WR in this draft. He runs good routes.

These are all things in which it doesn't matter what conference you play in. You either do it or you don't.

Putting up stats in an Air-Raid system vs bad defenses, those are things you also have to consider. You can't just look at stats and say yay or nah. You have to be able to break a player down. What does he do well? What does he do poorly? You can't just look at stats because you're right, he played in a very poor defensive conference.


I don't see a lot of flaws in Lamb's game... He doesn't have elite speed, but he has good speed. The only thing to me that may not translate in his game from the Big 12 to the NFL is his ability to out run defenders as a deep threat. All of his other traits should transition well because they are thinks he has perfected.

So far the biggest knock people have on Ceedee Lamb is that he played in a poor big 12 conference.

This goes back to my point that you cant really use stats to justify a yay or nah on a player. (Sure, production helps a lot) You have to be able to break him down from a traits/physical tools standpoint. Saying he played in a weak defensive conference doesn't tell me anything about how he will translate over to the NFL... That tells me his stats could be a bit skewed, but I want to know what he has physically to become a great WR that I am spending millions of dollars on.

If stats are the thing you look about when evaluating an NFL prospect you won't have a job long.

 

[fightinredantz]

I am torn as we need to add speed to the offense, but straight speed guys have a more limited NFL career, as injuries happen that limit their speed, and their effectiveness. A WR that doesn't rely on speed, has a greater chance at a longer career, but doesn't scare the defense.

Ideally you get a guy that is fast but doesn't rely on speed, but most the guys will be one or the other. It will be interesting to see how Denver prioritizes abilities of the WR(s) they draft.

 

[CEH]

No doubt the big 12 defense sucks... But I still love what I see out of Lamb.

You have to dig deep on all aspects of scouting. Competition is surely one of the things you have to look at. Like I said before if we went with stats, teams like Washington State, Texas Tech. Western Kentucky, SMU any other Air Raid offense would be pounding players into the NFL.

What I like about Ceedee Lamb is that he tracks the deep ball better than anyone you will see in this draft. Ruggs, Jefferson, etc.. Those guys can go deep. They have great speed, but Lamb tracks the ball better than anyone (There is a big difference)

Lamb is the best WR I have seen in this draft that goes and gets the ball. He catches in traffic, he isn't afraid to go across the middle of the field. He loves contact/doesn't shy away from it. He uses his body better than any WR in this draft. He has the best concentration an body control by far of any WR in this draft. He is a great blocker and he is great after the catch. He beats press coverage probably as well as any WR in this draft. He runs good routes.

These are all things in which it doesn't matter what conference you play in. You either do it or you don't.

Putting up stats in an Air-Raid system vs bad defenses, those are things you also have to consider. You can't just look at stats and say yay or nah. You have to be able to break a player down. What does he do well? What does he do poorly? You can't just look at stats because you're right, he played in a very poor defensive conference.


I don't see a lot of flaws in Lamb's game... He doesn't have elite speed, but he has good speed. The only thing to me that may not translate in his game from the Big 12 to the NFL is his ability to out run defenders as a deep threat. All of his other traits should transition well because they are thinks he has perfected.

So far the biggest knock people have on Ceedee Lamb is that he played in a poor big 12 conference.

This goes back to my point that you cant really use stats to justify a yay or nah on a player. (Sure, production helps a lot) You have to be able to break him down from a traits/physical tools standpoint. Saying he played in a weak defensive conference doesn't tell me anything about how he will translate over to the NFL... That tells me his stats could be a bit skewed, but I want to know what he has physically to become a great WR that I am spending millions of dollars on.

If stats are the thing you look about when evaluating an NFL prospect you won't have a job long.

No shit sherlock. I could generate a program if it were all about stats and draft according.

Dive a little deeper please. stats / competition are a discriminator when deciding between two prospects . in this case breaking the tie between Jefferson and Lamb.

 

[eaglesnut]

Darnell Mooney, WR, Tulane

He is the cheaper draft version of the speed WR... Just watch.. He goes early 3.

Quez Watkins.

 

[Draft Crazy]

No shit sherlock. I could generate a program if it were all about stats and draft according.

Dive a little deeper please. stats / competition are a discriminator when deciding between two prospects . in this case breaking the tie between Jefferson and Lamb.

So far I have only really seen you base your thoughts off stats and level of competition, just trying to get you to dig a little deeper as to why you may or may not want a prospect for Denver to draft.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Day 3 WR's I like if we draft a WR early and look for another on day 3

Tenn Jauan Jennings
Oregon State Isaiah Hodgins
Central Florida Gabriel Davis (I think he ends up going Round 3)
Tulane Darnell Mooney
Florida Tyrie Cleveland
Texas Devin Duvernay
Kentucky Lynn Bowden
South Carolina Bryan Edwards

I think Duvernay and Davis may not be there day 3, but throwing them out there as they coul slide to day 3. Only way Edwards probably falls to day 3 is his foot injury.

 

[SpringStein]

No shit sherlock. I could generate a program if it were all about stats and draft according.

Dive a little deeper please. stats / competition are a discriminator when deciding between two prospects . in this case breaking the tie between Jefferson and Lamb.

And then you have to look at the QBs they had. And the OL in front of them. And then maybe a complimentary piece like a great RB or another WR. Lots of factors go into how stats get created.

 

[eaglesnut]

Remember, last year one CB went in round 1 and it wasn't until pick #30 which is pretty crazy for the CB position. I expect a lot of CB's to go off the board late round 1 to early round 2. Think of all those teams last year who didn't grab a CB early who need a good young CB... It's like peope needing toilet paper and running low because last years supplies were low.

If you run out of CB you're gonna have a mess.

 

[Draft Crazy]

If you run out of CB you're gonna have a mess.

True- You can't just hop in the shower on that one.

 

[eaglesnut]

7 more sleeps, folks!!!

7


SEVEN!!!!!

"A beautiful name for a girl... or a boy"

 

[eaglesnut]

Lombardi today is saying Denver looking to jump to #10.

Probably the biggest dumbass on TV or anywhere else. Couldn't hack it as an actual evaluator. Said Doug Pederson didn't belong as a coach in the NFL right before masterminding the brilliant Eagles Super Bowl run and outcoaching Belichick.

It's my job to remind people.

 

[eaglesnut]

Or what you see with your own eyes!

I try and use my own opinion oppose to someone elses but there are certain positions. Cough cough OL I just haven’t done a lot of my own scouting with.

OL is easy.
1. Iowa
2. Wisconsin
3. Alabama

 

[Draft Crazy]

OL is easy.
1. Iowa
2. Wisconsin
3. Alabama

Boston College has fallen out!

 

[Orange Crush77]

Any opinions on James Proche as a later addition?

 

[Draft Crazy]

Any opinions on James Proche as a later addition?

I like Proche enough. Very productive in that offense. He isn't Emmanuel Sanders or Courtland Sutton coming out of SMU, but he has great hands. He catches EVERYTHING. He gets good separation. Unlike, Lamb who I listed why he separates himself from others while playing in a weak D conference, Proche doesn't do the same things. A lot of his qualities don't translate like Lamb's do, but he has qualities that do. Like great hands, he is not afraid to catch the ball in traffic. He will go across the middle without second thought. Love those two things about him. Makes tough catches and has great hands... Very productive in that SMU offense. Concerns I would have is his speed at the next level, he doesn't run great routes, not real explosive but good at finding holes and field awareness to pick up yards after the catch. Won't break many tackles... Limited upside, but he has upside and should be a nice Day 3 pick. I think he will be best used out of the slot where he can be crafty. His separation is really more about being smart, knowing where to go to find the separation, not so much about natural speed and explosion ability, so less upside with physical toos, but ability to catch everything and be a crafty slot guy makes him attractive on day 3. I don't think he shows the same deep threat ability he did in college based off his physical tools and route running ability.

 

[cdumler7]

So figure do a top-3 players we would love at pick 15 and top-3 we would be upset about...(Also make it realistic so if I see any Chase Young names I will delete it! Don't test me!)

Top-3 I would love
1) Lamb
2) Ruggs
3) Henderson

Lamb and Ruggs should be pretty self explanatory. Team needs one more weapon to really make this offense deadly. Both bring a different skill set to the table but both could be worked into the offense and bring about huge success.

Henderson obviously being added to the secondary gives them 4 possibly 5 in that secondary that would be tough to beat. Allows the pass rush to do whatever they want and gives the Broncos another young piece to build the entire defense around.

Top-3 I would hate
1) Justin Jefferson
2) Denzel Mims
3) Mekhi Becton

The first two are for very different reasons. Jefferson in just not sure he brings anything to the table that excites me other than I know he will be consistent year in and year out. Mims it is because he is such a wildcard of a player. He was so hit and miss throughout college and just not sure if the Broncos really want to take advantage of the window they have they can put that many eggs in the basket that he will have some huge signs of growth.

Becton I just worry about his fit in Denver. That big of a body especially at altitude seems like a recipe for things to not work. I love the player honestly and he could easily develop into the best tackle in football with Munchak coaching him up but I do worry about his ability to hold up long term and he did show signs in college of his struggles always coming later in games so conditioning is a concern.

 

[Duffman]

So figure do a top-3 players we would love at pick 15 and top-3 we would be upset about...(Also make it realistic so if I see any Chase Young names I will delete it! Don't test me!)

Top-3 I would love
1) Lamb
2) Ruggs
3) Henderson

Lamb and Ruggs should be pretty self explanatory. Team needs one more weapon to really make this offense deadly. Both bring a different skill set to the table but both could be worked into the offense and bring about huge success.

Henderson obviously being added to the secondary gives them 4 possibly 5 in that secondary that would be tough to beat. Allows the pass rush to do whatever they want and gives the Broncos another young piece to build the entire defense around.

Top-3 I would hate
1) Justin Jefferson
2) Denzel Mims
3) Mekhi Becton

The first two are for very different reasons. Jefferson in just not sure he brings anything to the table that excites me other than I know he will be consistent year in and year out. Mims it is because he is such a wildcard of a player. He was so hit and miss throughout college and just not sure if the Broncos really want to take advantage of the window they have they can put that many eggs in the basket that he will have some huge signs of growth.

Becton I just worry about his fit in Denver. That big of a body especially at altitude seems like a recipe for things to not work. I love the player honestly and he could easily develop into the best tackle in football with Munchak coaching him up but I do worry about his ability to hold up long term and he did show signs in college of his struggles always coming later in games so conditioning is a concern.

So are your top 3 hated based on us taking them at 15 or would you be OK if we picked them later?