2020 Draft

[SFGRTB]

 

[calsnowskier]

13. Patrick Bailey, Catcher, North Carolina State
49. Casey Schmitt, 3B/RHP, San Diego State
67. Nick Swiney, LHP, North Carolina State
68. Jimmy Glowenke, SS, Grand Canyon
85. Kyle Harrison, LHP, De La Salle HS (CA) (signed 6/15)
114. Roderick (RJ) Dabovich, RHP, Arizona State
144. Ryan Murphy, RHP, Le Moyne College

NDFA Carter Williams, OF, North Carolina Central (signed 6/15)
NDFA Ty Weber, RHP, Illinois (signed 6/15)
NDFA Tyler Forner, OF, Washington (HS) (signed 6/20)
NDFA Bret Auerbach, util, Alabama (signed 6/23)
NDFA Wil Jensen, RHP Pepperdine (signed 6/23)
NDFA Robert Emery, C, USF (signed 6/24)

Jensen was supposedly one of the top rated NDFAs and is considered a good get. No idea about the other guys.

 

[LHG]

Seems both were drafted where they were to make room for over slot money on Harrison and possibly one other guy that they ended up not being able to draft.

 

[calsnowskier]

13. Patrick Bailey, Catcher, North Carolina State (signed 6/30)
49. Casey Schmitt, 3B/RHP, San Diego State
67. Nick Swiney, LHP, North Carolina State
68. Jimmy Glowenke, SS, Grand Canyon (signed 7/3)
85. Kyle Harrison, LHP, De La Salle HS (CA) (signed 6/15)
114. Roderick (RJ) Dabovich, RHP, Arizona State
144. Ryan Murphy, RHP, Le Moyne College (signed 7/3)

NDFA Carter Williams, OF, North Carolina Central (signed 6/15)
NDFA Ty Weber, RHP, Illinois (signed 6/15)
NDFA Tyler Forner, OF, Washington (HS) (signed 6/20)
NDFA Bret Auerbach, util, Alabama (signed 6/23)
NDFA Wil Jensen, RHP Pepperdine (signed 6/23)
NDFA Robert Emery, C, USF (signed 6/24)

 

[calsnowskier]

Seems both were drafted where they were to make room for over slot money on Harrison and possibly one other guy that they ended up not being able to draft.

That’s what I never quite understood about messing around with the draft order. If you take a projected 5th rounder in the 2nd round just so you can afford to take a projected 2nd rounder in the 5th, why not just take the 2nd rounder in the 2nd round and the 5th rounder in the 5th?

 

[LHG]

That’s what I never quite understood about messing around with the draft order. If you take a projected 5th rounder in the 2nd round just so you can afford to take a projected 2nd rounder in the 5th, why not just take the 2nd rounder in the 2nd round and the 5th rounder in the 5th?

Maybe for ego's sake? Hey, we got ourselves a steal in the 5th round? Or there is a money issue and the 2nd round guy is reasonably expected to slide into the 4th or 5th rounds because he wants over slot. The gamble there is that other teams won't want to spend so much over in a round and so he could be available later. However, why then over draft a guy in hopes another guy is available later? Your point seems to make a lot more sense.

 

[calsnowskier]

Maybe for ego's sake? Hey, we got ourselves a steal in the 5th round? Or there is a money issue and the 2nd round guy is reasonably expected to slide into the 4th or 5th rounds because he wants over slot. The gamble there is that other teams won't want to spend so much over in a round and so he could be available later. However, why then over draft a guy in hopes another guy is available later? Your point seems to make a lot more sense.

Devils advocate against myself (just trying to talk it through to find the logic)...

If you draft the “hard-to-sign” guy in the 2nd round, and the “safe” guy in the 5th, if you fail to to sign the good player, you lose all that slot space. If you reverse the picks, you still have the 2nd round slot space to apply to other picks.

that logic seems to KINDA make sense in a more traditional draft. You take the free by in the 2nd, pay him 8th money and you got a bunch of cash left over to spend on you 6th, 7th and 9th guys. In a 5 round draft, though, it is much more risky (as the Giants apparently found). If your targeted 4th guy is not available (or you can’t sign him) in a traditional draft, it is easier to change gears. In this draft, everything goes to crap.

 

[LHG]

 

[SFGRTB]

That’s what I never quite understood about messing around with the draft order. If you take a projected 5th rounder in the 2nd round just so you can afford to take a projected 2nd rounder in the 5th, why not just take the 2nd rounder in the 2nd round and the 5th rounder in the 5th?

It's a game of cat and mouse. Teams generally have an idea if they're going to be able to sign a guy or not, but it's never a sure thing so they try to take them as low as possible and save money if they blow the deal. If they took Harrison with their second pick and blow that deal, they lose $1.5m to their overall bonus pool vs. $700k where they actually took him. This could affect their other draft signings dramatically.

So they take him lower in the draft, and then they get to say "can't believe he was still there, we pegged him as a 2nd roudner" etc. but ultimately it's just a money game.

 

[LHG]

Here are the amounts spent for each pick, with slot value (listed).
1st - $3.8 million ($4,197,300)
2nd - $1,147,500 ($1,507,600)
2nd (sup) - $1,200,000 ($976,700)
2nd (sup) - $600,000 ($953,100)
3rd - $2.5 million ($710,700)
4th - ? ($507,400)
5th - $25,000 ($379,000)

From what I can tell, the Giants have already overspent in this draft by $40,700 (counting the 4th round slot value). Got to wonder if Dabovich goes unsigned.

 

[pachyderm]

I don't care how much these guys make.

I already know they are overpaid.

I don't see why anyone else would care either. Unless you're out to change the way pro athletes get paid.

 

[calsnowskier]

13. Patrick Bailey, Catcher, North Carolina State (signed 6/30)
49. Casey Schmitt, 3B/RHP, San Diego State (signed 7/3)
67. Nick Swiney, LHP, North Carolina State (signed 7/3)
68. Jimmy Glowenke, SS, Grand Canyon (signed 7/3)
85. Kyle Harrison, LHP, De La Salle HS (CA) (signed 6/15)
114. Roderick (RJ) Dabovich, RHP, Arizona State
144. Ryan Murphy, RHP, Le Moyne College (signed 7/3)

NDFA Carter Williams, OF, North Carolina Central (signed 6/15)
NDFA Ty Weber, RHP, Illinois (signed 6/15)
NDFA Tyler Forner, OF, Washington (HS) (signed 6/20)
NDFA Bret Auerbach, util, Alabama (signed 6/23)
NDFA Wil Jensen, RHP Pepperdine (signed 6/23)
NDFA Robert Emery, C, USF (signed 6/24)

 

[calsnowskier]

Here are the amounts spent for each pick, with slot value (listed).
1st - $3.8 million ($4,197,300)
2nd - $1,147,500 ($1,507,600)
2nd (sup) - $1,200,000 ($976,700)
2nd (sup) - $600,000 ($953,100)
3rd - $2.5 million ($710,700)
4th - ? ($507,400)
5th - $25,000 ($379,000)

From what I can tell, the Giants have already overspent in this draft by $40,700 (counting the 4th round slot value). Got to wonder if Dabovich goes unsigned.

They are approx 350k over atm. Aren’t they allowed a cushion, though? Something like 10%? They are only approx 4% over, so they can still pay Dabovich over slot.

 

[calsnowskier]

I don't care how much these guys make.

I already know they are overpaid.

I don't see why anyone else would care either. Unless you're out to change the way pro athletes get paid.

Sorry. Didn’t realize you didn’t care. We will stop this discussion immediately.

 

[LHG]

They are approx 350k over atm. Aren’t they allowed a cushion, though? Something like 10%? They are only approx 4% over, so they can still pay Dabovich over slot.

How did you come up with that number with the over amount? NDFAs don't count, if you are included those. If you don't count the slot value of the 4th round pick, they would be $548,100 over. That still puts them under the 10% threshold you mention (which I don't remember but that now sounds familiar). They could sign Dabovich up to $882,480 and not be over 10%.

 

[calsnowskier]

I did quick math (rounded) in my head. They don’t get the Dabovich pool money unless he signs and NDFA $$ doesn’t count...

paid = $9.2725 m
Pool = $8.7244 m

overage = $0.5481 m (6.28%)

 

[LHG]

I did quick math (rounded) in my head. They don’t get the Dabovich pool money unless he signs and NDFA $$ doesn’t count...

paid = $9.2725 m
Pool = $8.7244 m

overage = $0.5481 m (6.28%)

Okay, so we are now on the same page.

 

[pachyderm]

Sorry. Didn’t realize you didn’t care. We will stop this discussion immediately.

That's the spirit.

 

[pachyderm]

And David Price isn't going to play?

How did I not know he was a Bodger?

 

[calsnowskier]

If a player opts out for this year, how if their contract affected? If this year simply voided? Or is the contract shifted out one year?

if the year is voided, Price sitting out is a boon for the doggies