2019 FA thread

[Gulf of Brazil]

Adding Flowers would allow us to draft White instead of Allen although either would probably be fine at that point. If we dont we would definitely have to go for Allen.

Davis and White combined could be treacherous for other teams. I think Davis had 6 sacks this year. Imagine twists/stunts with either of them at any given time.

Leaning more and more with White every day.

Allen could become similar to V. Miller if used right in a diverse scheme. Miller plays more inclined to a natural 3-4 Rush/OLB though. Lions base defense is still in transition from a player personnel perspective.

 

[Rollingthndr]

Davis and White combined could be treacherous for other teams. I think Davis had 6 sacks this year. Imagine twists/stunts with either of them at any given time.

Leaning more and more with White every day.

Allen could become similar to V. Miller if used right in a diverse scheme. Miller plays more inclined to a natural 3-4 Rush/OLB though. Lions base defense is still in transition from a player personnel perspective.

I am leaning a bit towards Allen. Depending on what he weighs at the combine. If he is in the 230's then no way. Not interested in a, B. Mingo type. If he is in the 260's then I would prefer him over White but it's definitely close either way.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Vernon is the guy he most reminds me of actually. Good player for sure. Which Flowers is definitely good.

kind of. a true apple to oranges here with Vernon and Flowers as you noted.

Short is more of a DT and I think Flowers is a DE right?

He's a DT but just wanted to point out the $$$ being floated to players that weren't statistically inclined to get such a payday, imo. It was nothing more than laying out $$$ given out and not a demeaning or degrading comment specifically to you.

That is just health. Flowers has better numbers while JJ was hurt but it's apples to oranges here. Watt is a 3 time defensive player of the year and generational talent. He came back and immediately got 16 sacks this year. Flowers has 21 CAREER sacks.

I guess my point was, Watt got that payday back in september of 2014 when the cap was like 133M. That contract was averaged at 16.6M which was a boat load back then. He's earned every damn penny and injuries happen but if your not healthy to play fans are screaming because of that. You know Lions fans would feel victimized somehow and be bitching up a storm.

Watt is a freak athlete and players like him are a rarity.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

I am leaning a bit towards Allen. Depending on what he weighs at the combine. If he is in the 230's then no way. Not interested in a, B. Mingo type. If he is in the 260's then I would prefer him over White but it's definitely close either way.

Allen is a legit 260 lbs. at the moment. He might drop 5 lbs or so between now and the combine to improve on his 40 time but I highly doubt that. There would be virtually no benefit in that, imo. Also, I highly doubt Allen makes it past 49'ers or the NYJets or even Oakland. He just might end up the #1 overall pick even over Bosa. The Cardinals could pair Allen with Chandler Jones.

Surprisingly, while researching stats yesterday, Chandler Jones is ahead of all true Edge Rushers. but not DT Donald.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Glover Quin heads into offseason of uncertainty: ‘For me, it was a down year’

He’s spoken all season like a man ready to hang it up. That’s what the next couple months will be about figuring out. He’ll also look back on this season and try his best to put the frustrations into context.

BB_72; not sure if this is the writer that wrote the article last fall about Quin retiring but he states the possibility in here. Maybe it's previous conversations he's had during last season that has led him to this guess/possibility. Quin didn't state retirement is definitive in this article at all.

 

[Old Lion]

@Old Lion; here's a link to upcoming scheduled dates for all-star games new league year 2019 etc. It'll probably get lost in this thread.

2018-2019 National Football League Important Dates

2018-19 NFL Important Dates | NFL Football Operations


January 19 -- East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida.

January 26 -- Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama.

February 19 -- First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.

February 26-March 4 -- Combine Timing and Testing, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana.

March 5 -- Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.

March 11-13 -- During the period beginning at 12 noon, New York time, on March 11th and ending at 3:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 13th, clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2018 player contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 13. However, a contract cannot be executed with a new club until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 13.

During the above two-day negotiating period, a prospective unrestricted free agents who is not represented by an NFLPA Certified Contract Advisor is permitted to communicate directly with a new club's front office officials (excluding the head coach and other members of the club's coaching staff) regarding contract negotiations.

March 13 -- The 2019 League Year and Free Agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time.

The first day of the 2019 League Year will end at 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 13. Clubs will receive a personnel notice that will include all transactions submitted to the League office during the period between 4:00 p.m., New York time, and 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 13.

March 13 -- Trading period for 2019 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2018 contracts.

This is awesome Blue. Thanks pal.

 

[Old Lion]

Glover Quin heads into offseason of uncertainty: ‘For me, it was a down year’

He’s spoken all season like a man ready to hang it up. That’s what the next couple months will be about figuring out. He’ll also look back on this season and try his best to put the frustrations into context.

BB_72; not sure if this is the writer that wrote the article last fall about Quin retiring but he states the possibility in here. Maybe it's previous conversations he's had during last season that has led him to this guess/possibility. Quin didn't state retirement is definitive in this article at all.

I would like to have him 1 more year but we have some pretty good safeties. I am more worried about the #2CB. Nobody stepped up.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

pal.

I honestly prefer the normal love to..... hate that guy...…. type relationship towards me..

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

@Old Lion

maybe start a new thread so those dates don't get lost in that FA thread.

you know there'll be questions upcoming regarding those schedule dates. might as well beat them to the punch.

I'll drag them to the top every now and then with info regarding ongoing events within.

I'm not qualified to start new threads. still earning stripes.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

I would like to have him 1 more year but we have some pretty good safeties. I am more worried about the #2CB. Nobody stepped up.

Quin is done. He was done last year.

Accept it even though you're struggling to come terms with it.

If they were smart, they could sign FA Eric Reid. He still played above par with the Panthers after they signed him early on into the season.

Forget the bullshit surrounding him and protests. Owners, GM's and Head Coaches need to get over it and not deny players the right to play.

 

[Old Lion]

Quin is done. He was done last year.

Accept it even though you're struggling to come terms with it.

If they were smart, they could sign FA Eric Reid. He still played above par with the Panthers after they signed him early on into the season.

Forget the bullshit surrounding him and protests. Owners, GM's and Head Coaches need to get over it and not deny players the right to play.

Yup, I noticed a drop off with him this year. I would be fine with a FA replacement if necessary.

I was hoping TW3 would get more time this year. Diggs is back to playing very well. I think Tabor needs to move to Safety. He just does not have it as a CB. Agnew is our only hope there so it is more dire IMO.

 

[Rollingthndr]

Allen is a legit 260 lbs. at the moment. He might drop 5 lbs or so between now and the combine to improve on his 40 time but I highly doubt that. There would be virtually no benefit in that, imo. Also, I highly doubt Allen makes it past 49'ers or the NYJets or even Oakland. He just might end up the #1 overall pick even over Bosa. The Cardinals could pair Allen with Chandler Jones.

I know. That is the annoying thing about winning at GB the last game in a meaningless win. You don't get a shot at the super freaks, blue chipper prospects. Maybe we can get lucky and someone take Cardele Jones the 2nd and a couple OT's early and we get a chance at him.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Maybe we can get lucky and someone take Cardele Jones the 2nd and a couple OT's early and we get a chance at him.

Don't be shocked when Gruden shops/trades Derek Carr and then drafts D. Haskins @4 if not in a move up. The dead money was somewhere around 7.5M and Cap Savings of 15M. They already have 73.5M in effective cap spending and then tack on another 15M to that. The draft slot @4 would cost 5.7M

I'm not kidding either. Gruden will salivate over Haskins or already is. I've watched all of his past QB sit-downs with Draft Prospects. He gives a tell in each one of who he preferred had he been coaching at that time.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Agnew is our only hope there so it is more dire IMO.

Agnew has the makeup to become a damn good slot CB. he has the easy transition from his backpedal to turn and run, extremely loose hips, a very good hand fighter, decent route recognition skills. he needs the reps though and then he got hurt early on in that GB game.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Team Cap Space 2014-133M...2015-143.3M...2016-155.3M...2017-167M...2018-177.2M...2019-190M ?

Trey Flowers/ 03-'19 (25 yo)

…… '15...………...GP 1
'16-'18...………… 21.0 SKS......….. 25-TFL...….. 58-QBH...……………. 5-FF...……….. 45-GP...… 14-GP in '17...… 15-GP in '18


Fletcher Cox/ ...............…. 06-'16 (26 yo)…….........……... 103M...………. 63.0M-G...……...…. 6 yr.
'13-'15...………… 16.5 SKS...………. 23-TFL...….. 36-QBH...……………. 4-FF...………… 48-GP
'16-'18...……….. 22.5 SKS...………. 26-TFL...…… 65-QBH...……………. 3-FF...………… 46-GP...….14-GP in '17


Kawann Short/ .........…..... 04-'17 (28 yo)………………………. 80.5M……..…. 45.0M-G……………... 5 yr.
'13-'15...………… 16.0 SKS...………. 24-TFL...…… 30-QBH...……………. 5-FF...………… 48-GP
'16-'18...……….. 16.5 SKS...………. 31-TFL...….. 39-QBH...…………….. 4-FF...……….. 46-GP...….14-GP in '18


Olivier Vernon/ …………………. 03-'16 (26 yo)………………………. 85.0M...……… 40.0M-G...………….. 5 yr.
'13-'15...………… 25.5-SKS...………. 40-TFL...….. 64-QBH...…………….. 2-FF...……….. 48-GP
'16-'18...……….. 21.0-SKS...………. 27-TFL...…… 55-QBH...…………….. 4-FF...……….. 39-GP..... 12-GP in '17..... 11-GP in '18


Justin Houston/ ……………….. 07-'15 (26 yo)……………………… 101.0M...…... 52.5M-G...………….… 6 yr.
'12-'14...……….. 43.0-SKS...……….. 47-TFL...……. 58-QBH...…………… 6-FF...……….. 43-GP...…
'15-'17...……….. 21.0-SKS...……….. 30-TFL...……. 38-QBH...………….. 2-FF...……….. 31-GP...… 11-GP in '15...….. 5-GP in '16
…...'18...………... 9.0-SKS...……….. 8-TFL...……. 12-QBH...………….. 5-FF...……….. 12-GP


Chandler Jones/ ………………. 03-'17 (27 yo)……………………….. 82.5M...……. 53.0M-G...……….…... 5 yr.
'13-'15...………… 30.0-SKS...……….. 30-TFL...……. 52-QBH...………….. 7-FF...……….. 41-GP...…. 11-GP in '14...… 15-GP in '15
'16-'18...……….. 39.0-SKS...……….. 53-TFL...……. 69-QBH...………….. 9-FF...………… 48-GP


Melvin Ingram/ ……………….. 06-'17 (28 yo)…………………………. 64.0M...…... 42.0M-G...…………... 4 yr.
'13-'15...……….. 10.5-SKS...……….. 20-TFL...…….. 27-QBH...………….. 6-FF...……….. 29-GP...…. 4-GP in '13...….. 9=GP in '14
'16-'18...……….. 25.9-SKS...……….. 35-TFL...…….. 58-QBH...………….. 7-FF...……….. 48-GP


J.J. Watt/ …………………………. 09-'14 (25 yo)…………………………. 100.0M...….. 51.0M-G...……………. 6 yr.
'11-'13...……….. 36.5-SKS...………... 74-TFL...…... 108-QBH...………... 8-FF...……….… 48-GP
'14-'16...……….. 39.5-SKS...……….… 59-TFL...……. 106-QBH...………… 7-FF...…………. 35-GP...…. 3-GP in '16
'17-'18...……….. 16.0-SKS...…………. 21-TFL...……… 30-QBH...………... 7-FF...…………. 21-GP...…. 5-GP in '17


Khalil Mack/ …………………….. 09-'18 (27 yo)…………………………. 141.0M...……. 90.0M-G...…………… 6 yr.
'14-'15...………… 19.0-SKS...…………. 39-TFL...….... 36-QBH...…………. 3-FF...…………. 32-GP
'16-'18...……….. 34.0-SKS...…………. 38-TFL...…….. 65-QBH...………… 12-FF...………… 46-GP...….. 14-GP in '18 hold-out


Aaron Donald/ ………………….. 08-'18 (27 yo)…………………………. 135.0M...……. 77.0M-G...………….. 6 yr.
'14-'15...…………. 20.0-SKS...………… 40-TFL...……… 50-QBH...………….. 2-FF...………… 32-GP
'16-'17...…………. 19.0-SKS...……….. 32-TFL...……… 58-QBH...………….. 7-FF...………… 30-GP...…… 14-GP in '17 hold-out
…...'18...…………. 20.5-SKS...……….. 25-TFL...……… 41-QBH...………….. 4-FF...………… 16-GP

 

[Old Lion]

Agnew has the makeup to become a damn good slot CB. he has the easy transition from his backpedal to turn and run, extremely loose hips, a very good hand fighter, decent route recognition skills. he needs the reps though and then he got hurt early on in that GB game.

I agree but he got used and abused by Cole Beasly in the slot the game before. It was hard to watch. When he played outside last year as a rookie he was decent.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

I agree but he got used and abused by Cole Beasly in the slot the game before. It was hard to watch. When he played outside last year as a rookie he was decent.

Slay got abused in 1st and 2nd year and THIS YEAR

He needs major reps in training camp but against this receiving corps ?

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

WalterFootball.com: 2019 NFL Free Agents - Top 100

I couldn't locate another list so far

@Old Lion

Trey Flowers is listed as 4th best

after Clowney, D. Lawrence and Le Veon


Trey Flowers, DE, Patriots. Age: 26.

If you want proof that Trey Flowers was crucial to New England's defense last year, consider that he missed the Jacksonville and Detroit games (was knocked out on the opening drive versus the Jaguars), and New England lost both contests despite those opponents failing to make the playoffs. Flowers is an exceptional talent as both a pass rusher and a run stopper. He's just 26 (in August), so he should continue to improve his game.

 

[Old Lion]

Slay got abused in 1st and 2nd year and THIS YEAR

He needs major reps in training camp but against this receiving corps ?

Not nearly as bad as Agnew IMO. I still like him and think he can get there. I just think it might be on the outside.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Walter is hit and miss, imo, on their assessment

@Rollingthndr

CB Kareem Jackson is listed as 35th best FA and ahead of Golden Tate


Kareem Jackson, CB, Texans. Age: 31.

Kareem Jackson emerged as one of the top cornerbacks in the NFL this past season. He's a late bloomer for certain. Unfortunately for Jackson, he's turning 31 in April, so he doesn't have much time left to play on a high level.