2017 NL CENTRAL DISCUSSION

[navamind]

Jon Jay still throws harder than Jamie Moyer

 

[LambeauLegs]

MLB trade rumors: Brewers look into deals for ace starters Quintana, Gray and others

 

[BrockForBroglio]

I missed my Saturday morning cartoons, but I caught up with them yesterday morning and they were in Wrigley Field 1st inning.

 

[LambeauLegs]

maybe a little respect is finally coming

MLB Power Rankings: Where All 30 Teams Stand at the All-Star Break

 

[packerzrule]

maybe a little respect is finally coming

MLB Power Rankings: Where All 30 Teams Stand at the All-Star Break

meh, as far as I'm concerned, I would hope the Brewers stayed under the radar

 

[JohnU]

meh, as far as I'm concerned, I would hope the Brewers stayed under the radar

What the Brewers success has done is confuse the Cubs, Parrots and Cardinals. The Cubs figured they could walk in, didn't count on a pitching collapse. Still have enough talent to win? Maybe not but they will have to upgrade. It's hard to find 3 good starters in July.
Pittsburgh is getting Marte back. Do they try to contend once more before they unload Cutch? They have a lot of youth to trade. Maybe they tread water.
St. Louis is hard to define. I think they need bats. Those do not fall out of the tree.
The Reds are still a pitching wasteland but they have the hitting to take 2 of 3 from anybody now.

All this means, in a sentence: Milwaukee just needs to hang in there. They can win the NL-C. By the middle of August, ain't nobody flying under the radar.

 

[packerzrule]

What the Brewers success has done is confuse the Cubs, Parrots and Cardinals. The Cubs figured they could walk in, didn't count on a pitching collapse. Still have enough talent to win? Maybe not but they will have to upgrade. It's hard to find 3 good starters in July.
Pittsburgh is getting Marte back. Do they try to contend once more before they unload Cutch? They have a lot of youth to trade. Maybe they tread water.
St. Louis is hard to define. I think they need bats. Those do not fall out of the tree.
The Reds are still a pitching wasteland but they have the hitting to take 2 of 3 from anybody now.

All this means, in a sentence: Milwaukee just needs to hang in there. They can win the NL-C. By the middle of August, ain't nobody flying under the radar.

true that

what I meant was that I hope NO ONE is placing high expectations on Brewers a lot of fair weather fans that I know who claimed they were going to be the shit this season have done a 180 and are talking post season

I just want them to continue to play loose and have fun and see how this plays out for the rest of the season

 

[BrockForBroglio]

Actually, the NL Central could be the most exciting. I admit that there is no wild card team coming from this division, but there are 3 teams ready to strap it on and see what happens.

DeJong and Voit has pumped a little life in the STL team.....

 

[packerzrule]

Actually, the NL Central could be the most exciting. I admit that there is no wild card team coming from this division, but there are 3 teams ready to strap it on and see what happens.

DeJong and Voit has pumped a little life in the STL team.....

 

[JohnU]

Cubs demonstrate they had the horsepower to make a trade.
Quintana ... worth 2 or 3 wins?

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Cubs demonstrate they had the horsepower to make a trade.
Quintana ... worth 2 or 3 wins?

Yep. Desperate times. Absolute robbery by the south side.

 

[navamind]

Yep. Desperate times. Absolute robbery by the south side.

Yes, because starting pitchers with a career ERA+ of 115 and pitch 200+ innings are a dime a dozen.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Yes, because starting pitchers with a career ERA+ of 115 and pitch 200+ innings are a dime a dozen.

I didn't say that he was a dime a dozen, he's a good pitcher, but they paid out the nose for him.

 

[packerzrule]

does anyone feel that acquiring Quintana was the move that was going to get them over the top?

 

[Clayton]

does anyone feel that acquiring Quintana was the move that was going to get them over the top?

This is basically all relative to how you feel about the Brewers, Rockies and Cardinals.

People with their record should generally think about selling. A lot of Cardinals fans think that they could alleviate their log jam with a similar trade but thats not generally why the Cards GM does trades.

I know I feel better about the Cardinals chances in 2018-2020 right now but I do think the Cubs have about a 30% chance of making the playoffs after this trade.

 

[soxfan1468927]

This is basically all relative to how you feel about the Brewers, Rockies and Cardinals.

People with their record should generally think about selling. A lot of Cardinals fans think that they could alleviate their log jam with a similar trade but thats not generally why the Cards GM does trades.

I know I feel better about the Cardinals chances in 2018-2020 right now but I do think the Cubs have about a 30% chance of making the playoffs after this trade.

That seems quite low

 

[Clayton]

That seems quite low

Is it?

The Cubs are closer to last place than first place right now and they've been fading as of late. I would've only given them about a 25% shot before the trade though maybe closer to 55% of so about a month ago.

You have to factor in that the Cubs only have a chance at 3 playoff spots and they are 5.5 behind one of them and like 9 behind the Wild Card. Just looking at that information it probably close to a 50% chance. Imo, you also have to factor in that the Mets, Braves, Cardinals or maybe even Pirates have a late surge in them.

 

[Clayton]

Of course, now that I've talked down the Cubs they are going to win like 17 out of their next 20 or something silly like that.

 

[AllBettsAreOff]

Playoff Odds | FanGraphs Baseball

They're not very high on the Brewers. Those projections do seem to underrate Nelson and to a lesser extent Anderson. Shaw's 23% HR/FB rate will probably regress as well, but he still looks like a pretty solid 3B. If I'm a Brewers fan, I'd be pretty excited about the future.

 

[Clayton]

Playoff Odds | FanGraphs Baseball

They're not very high on the Brewers. Those projections do seem to underrate Nelson and to a lesser extent Anderson. Shaw's 23% HR/FB rate will probably regress as well, but he still looks like a pretty solid 3B. If I'm a Brewers fan, I'd be pretty excited about the future.

Holy crap, they're super low on the Brewers. If you'd think the Brewers go 30-38 or 31-37 to finish out the season then yeah, the Cubs should make the playoffs but that would be in 'choke job' territory.

Admittedly, I've watched the Cardinals choke away 3 walkoffs to the Pirates in the past month so the number of teams that can challenge the Cubs might be going down soon.