2017 NBA Offseason Thread

[Gman]

I just can't believe he's not a better rebounder than that.

Yea... I concede his rebounding, while not awful like Olynyk, is disappointing.

 

[TJL]

From what I understand, LeBron won't be saying much on the E-mail issue, it'll be handled mostly by Rich Paul.

 

[knowyourenemy]

From what I understand, LeBron won't be saying much on the E-mail issue, it'll be handled mostly by Rich Paul.

What's the e-mail issue? Hillary's e-mails?

 

[TJL]

What's the e-mail issue? Hillary's e-mails?

Dan Gilbert sent a racist E-mail to his buddies and accidentally sent it to Maverick Carter, I told everyone this 3 days ago.

 

[TJL]

Suzy Shuster is on her husbands show today, and she's been hinting at it, Woj is going to break the story from what I'm told.

 

[Heatles84]

Those are good numbers, man. Even if you think they're not: Like many folks... you look for gaudy stats and fail to appreciate what Horford brings to the table... he's a great cog in a modern offense and a team leader.

When you're making over $20 mil, team leader bullshit goes out the window. Udonis Haslem's a team leader for the Heat and brings leadership; Miami's not paying him a max contract. Lebron's a team leader for the Cavs, he makes the max, but his stats and overall impact backup his salary.

Horford, when IT went out moved to the number 1 offensive option on the Celtics. He scored 16,16,8 in games 3-5. That's horrible. As I've mentioned, he's not even a great defender, but can spread out the defense given his perimeter shooting.

In the Celtics threads, other posters besides myself have called out Horford's mediocre play and questioned the contract he's on. IT's also going to get a max contract as well. So again, how do you figure the Celtics are going to add all of these pieces and keeping their secondary players (2 of the 4 that you claim)?

But you don't seem like the type that likes realism coming at you, so I'll leave you be now.

 

[Gman]

When you're making over $20 mil, team leader bullshit goes out the window. Udonis Haslem's a team leader for the Heat and brings leadership; Miami's not paying him a max contract. Lebron's a team leader for the Cavs, he makes the max, but his stats and overall impact backup his salary.

Horford, when IT went out moved to the number 1 offensive option on the Celtics. He scored 16,16,8 in games 3-5. That's horrible. As I've mentioned, he's not even a great defender, but can spread out the defense given his perimeter shooting.

In the Celtics threads, other posters besides myself have called out Horford's mediocre play and questioned the contract he's on.

"If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid."

- Albert Einstein

You're judging a fish (Horford) by his ability to climb a tree (score), Heatles.

Horford's never been a number one scorer. Not when he was leading his college team to those national championships, and not in the pro's. Yet, basketball folks know he is a very valuable player who brings a lot to the table.

Long story short: your analysis is missing something.

IT's also going to get a max contract as well. So again, how do you figure the Celtics are going to add all of these pieces and keeping their secondary players (2 of the 4 that you claim)?

But you don't seem like the type that likes realism coming at you, so I'll leave you be now.

If we're talking about next season, Boston has the option of worrying about IT and his big pay day after this upcoming.

No?

 

[TJL]

Woj is sitting on it until LeBron gives him the green light, guys respect LeBron and like getting inside info from him so he's waiting until he gets the ok to go ahead and run with it.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Dan Gilbert sent a racist E-mail to his buddies and accidentally sent it to Maverick Carter, I told everyone this 3 days ago.

Any idea on what the content was?

 

[Heatles84]

"If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid."

- Albert Einstein

You're judging a fish (Horford) by his ability to climb a tree (score), Heatles.

Horford's never been a number one scorer. Not when he was leading his college team to those national championships, and not in the pro's. Yet, basketball folks know he is a very valuable player who brings a lot to the table.

Long story short: your analysis is missing something.

If we're talking about next season, Boston has the option of worrying about IT and his big pay day after this upcoming.

No?

I said that IT was a free agent in '18. That's already been addressed.

Again, for well over $20 million, what does Horford bring to the table? He's not that great of a scorer, with the exception that he can hit from the perimeter, and he's a subpar rebounder and defender. Your argument for Horford is similar to Wiggy's on how it was justified that TT deserved the contract he got.

 

[The Q]

I said that IT was a free agent in '18. That's already been addressed.

Again, for well over $20 million, what does Horford bring to the table? He's not that great of a scorer, with the exception that he can hit from the perimeter, and he's a subpar rebounder and defender. Your argument for Horford is similar to Wiggy's on how it was justified that TT deserved the contract he got.

Horford is not a negative defensively.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Considering he's making well over $20 mil, those stat lines are embarrassing:

vs. Cle: 12.4 PPG 4.2 RPG 4.4 APG
vs. Was: 16.7 PPG 6.6 RPG 5.1 APG
vs. Chi: 15.3 PPG 8.5 RPG 6.5 APG

For someone who's a number 2 option and getting paid as much as he is, that's subpar. On top of that, his defense is mediocre. He's also on the wrong side of 30, so don't expect him to get better.

I have always thought he was overrated, yeah he stepped it vs Washington but that is why when Boston signed him to a big deal I knew it was a mistake.

 

[Heatles84]

Horford is not a negative defensively.

He's not a positive either. Again, for the contract that he's getting, what does he do well (outside of his presence on the perimeter) that justifies it?

 

[Heatles84]

I have always thought he was overrated, yeah he stepped it vs Washington but that is why when Boston signed him to a big deal I knew it was a mistake.

We have a winner.

 

[The Q]

He's not a positive either. Again, for the contract that he's getting, what does he do well (outside of his presence on the perimeter) that justifies it?

He's probably one of the top 25-30 defenders in the NBA.

NBA 2016-17 TPA Scores | NBA Math

search it based on DPS

 

[Heatles84]

I have always thought he was overrated, yeah he stepped it vs Washington but that is why when Boston signed him to a big deal I knew it was a mistake.

The stats argument is always great as well. You make the stats argument with a guy like Klay Thompson in the Finals. Klay averaged only 16 PPG, which is below his average. But for a majority of that series he played effective defense on Kyrie Irving and somewhat on Lebron - that's impact.

What's Horford's similar impact? I still haven't got that answer.

 

[Heatles84]

He's probably one of the top 25-30 defenders in the NBA.

NBA 2016-17 TPA Scores | NBA Math

search it based on DPS

Yeah....based on that, Lebron's (89.59) a better defender than Kawhi (72.83). Nope.

It has Westbrook as the best defender based on DPS. No way is he the best defender in the league.

As much as I like Whiteside, he's not better than Iguodala and Kawhi as a defender.

 

[TJL]

Any idea on what the content was?

There's an n word in there

 

[Shanemansj13]

The stats argument is always great as well. You make the stats argument with a guy like Klay Thompson in the Finals. Klay averaged only 16 PPG, which is below his average. But for a majority of that series he played effective defense on Kyrie Irving and somewhat on Lebron - that's impact.

What's Horford's similar impact? I still haven't got that answer.

Sweet Al Horford signs up for Celtic Pride !

Hammer nailed it in this thread lol

The C's needed a big man but is Horford even a big man? Lol

 

[Heatles84]

To show I'm not a stat whore.

I see why Draymond's considered an all star and worthy of his contract.

1) He's the team leader
2) Offensively he's well rounded - can handle the ball well for the 4, good facilitator, can go out to the rebounder.
3) Exceptional defender - can guard positions 1-5 and can guard the perimeter, pick and roll, along with the paint/post.

Again, what does Horford do that's so great? I'm waiting.