2016 NBA Off-Season Thread part 2

[tlance]

LOL

some bitter reporter on his way out the door.


Cavs had the highest payroll in the league last year- will once again have it this year- and next year...in fact- one of the biggest draws LeBron had to Cleveland was the fact that Dan Gilberts wallet was bigger than anyone elses in the NBA ....especially when compared to certain other owners he used to play for....

They did have the highest payroll last year, but Gilbert's behavior in these negotiations prove that he is not willing to spend unlimited amounts of money to keep the core together. If he were, then why do they keep haggling over a couple million per year on the JR Smith deal? He is worth 15 million on the open market, but Gilbert wants him to take less. Same applies to the coaching staff as per this article. Last season, the Tristan Thompson contract did not need to take as long as it did, but Gilbert refused to pay the man what he wanted.

Wiggy claims that one of the reasons LeBron chose to leave Miami was Arison being "cheap" on a couple contract negotiations. Guess what, if Glibert fails to close the deal on either Smith or the coaching staff, it could mark the beginning of the end for LeBron's second Cleveland tenure.

Regardless of where the overall payroll number sits, if Gilbert truly had the biggest wallet in the NBA like Wiggy claims, these deals would have been completed long ago and without second thought. Gilbert did not draw LeBron back to Cleveland. In fact, it would be more appropriate to say LeBron returned despite Gilbert than to say it was because of him.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Balmer's worth $27 billion to Gilbert's $5 billion. Gilbert doesn't have the deepest pockets, and there's that whole salary cap thing, herpa da do.

Also, this is in relation to the coaching staff, not the roster. Reading is fun.

Ol wiggster here believes the more money you spend makes you a better team.

If anything he's hurt the teams future.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Were is my girl, @LAD ?

It's been a looooooooong minute.

 

[gordontrue]

Curry attempts game winning 3 in an exhibition game in Taiwan...

 

[WiggyRuss]

Curry attempts game winning 3 in an exhibition game in Taiwan...

lol.....if only he was guarding himself- he would have probably made it!

 

[WiggyRuss]

They did have the highest payroll last year, but Gilbert's behavior in these negotiations prove that he is not willing to spend unlimited amounts of money to keep the core together. If he were, then why do they keep haggling over a couple million per year on the JR Smith deal? He is worth 15 million on the open market, but Gilbert wants him to take less. Same applies to the coaching staff as per this article. Last season, the Tristan Thompson contract did not need to take as long as it did, but Gilbert refused to pay the man what he wanted.

Wiggy claims that one of the reasons LeBron chose to leave Miami was Arison being "cheap" on a couple contract negotiations. Guess what, if Glibert fails to close the deal on either Smith or the coaching staff, it could mark the beginning of the end for LeBron's second Cleveland tenure.

Regardless of where the overall payroll number sits, if Gilbert truly had the biggest wallet in the NBA like Wiggy claims, these deals would have been completed long ago and without second thought. Gilbert did not draw LeBron back to Cleveland. In fact, it would be more appropriate to say LeBron returned despite Gilbert than to say it was because of him.

i think you are living in the land of gum drops and lollipops where everyone gets paid what they want to get paid instead of what the market determines- and clouds are made of cotton candy, and every baby deer makes it to adulthood.

In the real world quite often the wolf rips open the throat of the baby deer and clouds (especially in SOME parts of the country) are made of smog and water vapor.

For you to say JR Smith "he is worth 15M on the open market" is insane. Is he? has he signed for that? Typically the MARKET determines MARKET value- not what your opinion is.

the Cavs need Jr and Jr needs the Cavs---- as with Thompson- something will get done sooner or later- and a week into the season all these posts will be just as irrelevant as last years on Thompson.

Though probably MORE relevant than the myriad of posts you had trying to get Kyrie run out of Cleveland as a bad fit. lol.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Curry attempts game winning 3 in an exhibition game in Taiwan...

hes no KI on game winners thats for sure

 

[gordontrue]

lol.....if only he was guarding himself- he would have probably made it!

Yeah, I can't really blame him though, I think its pretty obvious watching this that he's only at about 80% health.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Wiggy claims that one of the reasons LeBron chose to leave Miami was Arison being "cheap" on a couple contract negotiations. Guess what, if Glibert fails to close the deal on either Smith or the coaching staff, it could mark the beginning of the end for LeBron's second Cleveland tenure.

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Arison was cheap and cut corners.

Gilbert will, once again, have by far the highest payroll in the league. Thats objective fact.

Those bath salts are not good for you man.

 

[knowyourenemy]

i think you are living in the land of gum drops and lollipops where everyone gets paid what they want to get paid instead of what the market determines- and clouds are made of cotton candy, and every baby deer makes it to adulthood.

In the real world quite often the wolf rips open the throat of the baby deer and clouds (especially in SOME parts of the country) are made of smog and water vapor.

For you to say JR Smith "he is worth 15M on the open market" is insane. Is he? has he signed for that? Typically the MARKET determines MARKET value- not what your opinion is.

The Sixers offered Ginobili two years at around $16 million per year and reportedly offered Jamal Crawford a max contract. If you think Smith is comparable (or better) than those guys at this point in his career, then it seems likely he could get $15 million per year.

Granted, Smith has some character issues so I'm not sure a young team like the Sixers would offer him big money. From a talent perspective, I'd take him over Ginobili in a heartbeat. Not sure about Crawford, even though he's a million years old.

 

[WiggyRuss]

The Sixers offered Ginobili two years at around $16 million per year and reportedly offered Jamal Crawford a max contract. If you think Smith is comparable (or better) than those guys at this point in his career, then it seems likely he could get $15 million per year.

Granted, Smith has some character issues so I'm not sure a young team like the Sixers would offer him big money. From a talent perspective, I'd take him over Ginobili in a heartbeat. Not sure about Crawford, even though he's a million years old.

it depends with Smith--- id actually rather pay Smith 1 year 15M and give him a premium in order to keep the contract short.

Id imagine it will settle somewhere around Crawfords contract that he got in LA---- im thinking about 3 years - between 33M at the lower end and 42M at the upper end. HOPEFULLY with the 3rd year a team option. We shall see though- itll probably go just as long as Thompsons did last year I would imagine.

The market for Smith is not exactly huge--- any noncontender would not really want him- and most contenders are out of cap room.- plus he loves playing here with LeBron and Lue as his coach. As he said last year- hes not out looking for every single last dime- and both sides need eachother at this point.

He fits in very well as the Cavs 4th offensive option and floor spreader. Think some team wants to pay Jr a lot of money for a more prominent role? just check the Finals 2 years ago for how that works out, lol.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Arison was cheap and cut corners.

Gilbert will, once again, have by far the highest payroll in the league. Thats objective fact.

Those bath salts are not good for you man.

could u imagine if Dan Gilbert went to LeBron--- "ya know- we have the mid level exception open- we just dont think anyone out there is worth it- so we are just gonna save that cash and not use the exception- thats cool right?"

lol. Thank goodness Gilbert does not think like that- RJ certainly was very important to the team last year and hopefully will continue to be so going forward.

 

[Heatles84]

Wiggy constantly runs his dick sucker on this board talking about how money is no object to Gilbert. Yet, JR Smith still isn't signed. He can try to spin it any way he wants, but Smith was the starting 2-guard for the Cavs last year. There's no one left that's even close to his level on the open market right now. Mozgov's making about $16 mil per year, but JR Smith isn't worth $15 mil? Ok, keep living in your fantasy land of gum drops and shit.

 

[Shanemansj13]

The Sixers offered Ginobili two years at around $16 million per year and reportedly offered Jamal Crawford a max contract. If you think Smith is comparable (or better) than those guys at this point in his career, then it seems likely he could get $15 million per year.

Granted, Smith has some character issues so I'm not sure a young team like the Sixers would offer him big money. From a talent perspective, I'd take him over Ginobili in a heartbeat. Not sure about Crawford, even though he's a million years old.

The difference is not one team has offered J.R. a contract. Ginobili isn't worth that money regardless.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Wiggy constantly runs his dick sucker on this board talking about how money is no object to Gilbert. Yet, JR Smith still isn't signed. He can try to spin it any way he wants, but Smith was the starting 2-guard for the Cavs last year. There's no one left that's even close to his level on the open market right now. Mozgov's making about $16 mil per year, but JR Smith isn't worth $15 mil? Ok, keep living in your fantasy land of gum drops and shit.

IMO just bc someone negotiates doesn't mean he is cheap. The Tristan deal took a long time to workout but in the end both sides came out happy. I expect the same thing to come to this, so it really doesn't matter as long as it works out in the end. The market is a tricky thing, bc some teams that are desperate for players will offer much more than a player is worth. JR is worth 15 mil or around that figure, but Mozgov isn't worth 16 mil. But none of this matters if JR gets signed, it's a business and part of it is negotiation.

 

[WiggyRuss]

IMO just bc someone negotiates doesn't mean he is cheap. The Tristan deal took a long time to workout but in the end both sides came out happy. I expect the same thing to come to this, so it really doesn't matter as long as it works out in the end. The market is a tricky thing, bc some teams that are desperate for players will offer much more than a player is worth. JR is worth 15 mil or around that figure, but Mozgov isn't worth 16 mil. But none of this matters if JR gets signed, it's a business and part of it is negotiation.

thank you. it appears the use of one's brain is not an admitting criteria here. to somehow conflate negotiations with being cheap is insane. the BOTTOM line is what matters- and the BOTTOM line is- that Dan Gilbert has spent and will continue spending on a level that the vast majority of the league would not dream of doing- and that without a doubt was attractive to LeBron coming from a situation where that was without a doubt NOT the case.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Wiggy constantly runs his dick sucker on this board talking about how money is no object to Gilbert. Yet, JR Smith still isn't signed. He can try to spin it any way he wants, but Smith was the starting 2-guard for the Cavs last year. There's no one left that's even close to his level on the open market right now. Mozgov's making about $16 mil per year, but JR Smith isn't worth $15 mil? Ok, keep living in your fantasy land of gum drops and shit.

unlike teams that are projected to be at or near the bottom of the standings like the Lakers- the Cavs are not in a position where they have to overpay Smith like the Lakers overpaid Mozgov.

When you are a championship caliber organization with LeBron James- you dont have to give a middling injury prone, middle aged center 4 years and 15 million a year to sign with your organization.

As you saw with Dwayne Wade- players will take less to win- but as soon as that winning is in serious doubt- players more often than not take the money- OR take the money AND the better situation like Wade did.

 

[Heatles84]

IMO just bc someone negotiates doesn't mean he is cheap. The Tristan deal took a long time to workout but in the end both sides came out happy. I expect the same thing to come to this, so it really doesn't matter as long as it works out in the end. The market is a tricky thing, bc some teams that are desperate for players will offer much more than a player is worth. JR is worth 15 mil or around that figure, but Mozgov isn't worth 16 mil. But none of this matters if JR gets signed, it's a business and part of it is negotiation.

This is more geared towards Wiggy, Shane. Especially since he keeps running his mouth about money not being an object to Gilbert - when clearly it is.

 

[WiggyRuss]

This is more geared towards Wiggy, Shane. Especially since he keeps running his mouth about money not being an object to Gilbert - when clearly it is.

You can keep running your mouth- while Dan G. will keep running up lux tax bills that would give Micky Arison a heart attack.

Its just so lucky that in Cleveland we have an owner who truly runs the franchise like a public trust and a hobby- and winning is more important to him than spending cash. I guess when you have 4-5 billion and the competitive fire that Gilbert has (and Arison obviously lacks) spending an extra $20-50M here or there is well worth it. Especially when you guarantee yourself a statue* someday outside The Q!

thank goodness he values that trophy and ring and statue and legacy more than an extra 50M bucks or whatever!!!!! Wish Dan G. would buy the Indians as well!

 

[Black Adam]

Were is my girl, @LAD ?

It's been a looooooooong minute.

was kinda thinking the same. hope everything's ok in her side of the world...