2016-17 NBA Regular Season Thread

[TurnUpTheHeat]

well it was a move made just to add "stars" with really not much analysis into how they would fit and work together, and what their long term health prognosis were.

It would have been like if the Cavs spent all their assets to go and get Carmelo right now just to add another "star" to compete with the Warriors 4 stars. Fit matters, health history matters. I mean- i realize in retrospect it seems easy to say that Howard and Kobe working was bound to fail- but there were certainly signs that Dwight being immature and Kobe needing to be "the guy" -, and NAsh's health issues- that there would be major problems to the point where Howard took less money to leave Los Angeles.

the CAvs were in a similar position at the end of LeBron's first run- the cupboard was BEYOND bare from years of making "win now" trades for guys like Shaq, Jamison, Szerbiack, Ben Wallace, etc- combined with never getting a decent first round pick because LEBron was too good to ever let you sink beneath a certain level. The difference is- the Cavs did a much better job at adding extra picks early on in there rebuild-- I mean- KYRIE IRVING- is an extra pick they acquired, and did a much better job at keeping flexibility to their payroll.

The difference this time for the Cavs is Kyrie is only 24 years old, Thompson just turned 26, Love is 28, Shumpert is 26. They have a nice mix between old vets like Jefferson, Frye, Korver, Williams, - and guys that are still in their primes or have not even reached their primes yet.

At the time I personally didn't like the move, but understood why they took the shot.
I disagree about Melo analogy.

 

[trojanfan12]

Iirc Nash was 38/39 and yeah, he had a very productive season prior to the trade. It just happened that as soon as he put on Lakers purple, father time caught up in a hurry.

Yep. Things may have worked better had he been healthy. The idea was that he had earned enough respect that Dwight and Kobe (particularly Kobe) would allow him to distribute the ball as he saw fit and make everyone's job easier.

Wiggy is correct that the Cavs bringing in Melo would be just to compete with the Warriors 4 all stars. The Lakers were bringing in Dwight to take over as the face of the franchise after Kobe retired.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Nice Monday morning quarterbacking.

It was a move that every single team in the league would have made if given the opportunity.

Sorry I reopened that can of worms.

 

[WiggyRuss]

At the time I personally didn't like the move, but understood why they took the shot.
I disagree about Melo analogy.

Nash was going play the following season at 39 years. How many NBA players have much left at the age of 39? Even if he gives you 1 year where he is good- was it worth it? I think if anything you give the benefit of the doubt to the 32 year old, not the 39 year old in the NBA.

 

[trojanfan12]

Even if he gives you 1 year where he is good- was it worth it?

If you win a title...yes, it is.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Nash was going play the following season at 39 years. How many NBA players have much left at the age of 39? Even if he gives you 1 year where he is good- was it worth it? I think if anything you give the benefit of the doubt to the 32 year old, not the 39 year old in the NBA.

At the time, like I said, I was more along the lines of your thinking, but again, I understood why they tried.
Kobe didn't have many quality seasons left.
Beating the Heat seemed unlikely as they were constructed.
They took a shot, now they are paying the price.
It is what it is.

I like that approach more then what Philly is doing.
Winning franchises play to win.
Not every move works out.

 

[WiggyRuss]

At the time, like I said, I was more along the lines of your thinking, but again, I understood why they tried.
Kobe didn't have many quality seasons left.
Beating the Heat seemed unlikely as they were constructed.
They took a shot, now they are paying the price.
It is what it is.

I like that approach more then what Philly is doing.
Winning franchises play to win.
Not every move works out.

and like i said- the Sessions and Fisher trades get of set the stage for trading picks so far into the future---- I just hate trading lightly protected picks so far into the future.

I mean- those picks that hte Heat dealt the Suns could either- not matter, or come back to haunt you in a huge way. --not quite on the level the Nets have been haunted by there move since those picks-- but the first of those picks is to transfer in 2019- and its top 7 protected and then unprotected, and the 2021 pick is totally unprotected. (though- if the 2019 pick doesnt trasnfer until 2020- then the unprotected 2021 pick will of course be held off until 2022 when it is fully unprocted.

You dont think much of those deals right now- im sure the Lakers didnt on Nash, and the Nets didnt on KG/Pierce, but they can really come back to bite you in the ass.

 

[trojanfan12]

Beating the Heat seemed unlikely as they were constructed.

Getting past the Spurs (or even the Mavs) to even get a shot at the Heat was unlikely as they were constructed.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

and like i said- the Sessions and Fisher trades get of set the stage for trading picks so far into the future---- I just hate trading lightly protected picks so far into the future.

I mean- those picks that hte Heat dealt the Suns could either- not matter, or come back to haunt you in a huge way. --not quite on the level the Nets have been haunted by there move since those picks-- but the first of those picks is to transfer in 2019- and its top 7 protected and then unprotected, and the 2021 pick is totally unprotected. (though- if the 2019 pick doesnt trasnfer until 2020- then the unprotected 2021 pick will of course be held off until 2022 when it is fully unprocted.

You dont think much of those deals right now- im sure the Lakers didnt on Nash, and the Nets didnt on KG/Pierce, but they can really come back to bite you in the ass.

I agree with a lot of that, but its still a matter of situation.
Cavs had to deplete a ton of current and future assets to get James and the veteran pieces surrounding him.
To me, bottom line, if you feel you can win NOW, you go for it.

 

[Wamu]

and like i said- the Sessions and Fisher trades get of set the stage for trading picks so far into the future---- I just hate trading lightly protected picks so far into the future.

I mean- those picks that hte Heat dealt the Suns could either- not matter, or come back to haunt you in a huge way. --not quite on the level the Nets have been haunted by there move since those picks-- but the first of those picks is to transfer in 2019- and its top 7 protected and then unprotected, and the 2021 pick is totally unprotected. (though- if the 2019 pick doesnt trasnfer until 2020- then the unprotected 2021 pick will of course be held off until 2022 when it is fully unprocted.

You dont think much of those deals right now- im sure the Lakers didnt on Nash, and the Nets didnt on KG/Pierce, but they can really come back to bite you in the ass.

So you wachting your Cavs tonight or The Tourney?

 

[Wamu]

Getting past the Spurs (or even the Mavs) to even get a shot at the Heat was unlikely as they were constructed.

Will the Lakers make the playoffs this year?

 

[Heatles84]

If you win a title...yes, it is.

This

 

[trojanfan12]

Will the Lakers make the playoffs this year?

Does the D-fenders making the D-league playoffs count?

 

[Heatles84]

 

[Wamu]

Does the D-fenders making the D-league playoffs count?

I certainly hope the D-fenders have a nice run & make it to the championship. I picked them to play the Fort Wayne Mad Ants for the trophy before the season started.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Will the Lakers make the playoffs this year?

Better question.
Could they win the tourney?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I certainly hope the D-fenders have a nice run & make it to the championship. I picked them to play the Fort Wayne Mad Ants for the trophy before the season started.

Anyone on Mad Ants >> Whiteside.

 

[Wamu]

Better question.
Could they win the tourney?

 

[Wamu]

Anyone on Mad Ants >> Whiteside.

 

[trojanfan12]

Better question.
Could they win the tourney?

PAC-12 or NCAA?