2016-17 NBA Regular Season Thread

[bksballer89]

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

@WiggyRuss

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Kings to waive Matt Barnes


Kings to waive Matt Barnessportando.com

 

[WiggyRuss]

Ingram still COULD be a "potential star"- but its just not based on anything that we have seen thus far besides pure speculation.

plenty of teeangers have come into the league and been very good right away- plenty have not. Right now for Ingram to be a "star" he would have to be the exception- and not the rule- based on what he has shown thus far. That is what i am saying.

Can a guy recover from such an abysmal first year? ABSOLUTELY- would it represent an exception to the rule, and not rhe rule at this point? yah of course.

Im just saying- if you were to grade Ingrams chance at being a "star" on the day he was drafted- and compared them to today- his stock has fallen. Thats not even debatable.

 

[trojanfan12]

this is pretty much the consensus that i have read: that guys like Ingram very rarely rebound from such abysmal starts to be stars.

Ten things I like and don't like, including James Harden's TD passes

It has been a rough season for Ingram. He's shooting 36 percent, and just 30 percent on 3s. He hasn't cracked 20 points in a game yet. Most future franchise players don't start out this way. Some teenagers do, though. Check out Dirk Nowitzki's rookie numbers.

With that implausibly spindly body, Year 1 in the NBA was always going to be a tough. Good news: There are no outward signs that fear, panic, or insecurity have infected Ingram's game. He still plays with a calm confidence. He launches from deep when he's open, and dares to explore the possibilities of a pick-and-roll. He sees the floor well.

He hasn't cowered, or gone the opposite direction and pressed to justify his draft slot. He doesn't take bad shots, or rush into reckless drives ending in fancy no-look dishes. He just plays, and there is something refreshing in that for L.A. fans. Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time.

I think it's all up to him. As the article says, he isn't playing scared or backing down. Usually, if a top draft pick gets off to a bad start and never recovers, it's because he gets his confidence destroyed and/or isn't willing to do the work. Neither of those seem to be the case with Ingram.

He's already one of those "first guy in, last guy to leave" players and talks about spending much of his free time playing basketball. Hearing him talk about the work he puts in, it sounds a lot like what Kobe used to do. I'm not saying he'll ever reach Kobe's level, but if he even wants to get close, he's going to have to put in the work, which it sounds like he's willing to do.

Even if he's just a good player for a long time, that's fine. Good players who stick around for a long time are necessary for teams to be contenders too.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

The only downside of the trade for the Pelicans is having 2 dominant bigs in a guard driven league. If their guards can be average, they'll have a chance to be a real threat. I'm hoping Denver makes the playoffs over them though, Kings could really use that 2nd lottery pick right now.

I just read that the Kings' own 1st rounder goes to Chicago if it's outside the top ten?

They had better pray this team doesn't see some kinda weird win streak result from this trade. If they just traded a star and wind up with one mid-round pick this June they're in serious shit lol.

 

[Bolts]

I see them as a perfect ying to the Warriors yang.

Would be a great contrasting of styles in a 1st round matchup.

Think the Smash Bros in Memphis on crack.

They would still lose without improving their roster.

But, it would be fun.

And they also have some good 3pt shooting guards in Moore, Frazier, and Holiday. None are on that Mike Conley level that the smash bros in Memphis have, but the offense will be run through AD and Boogie most of the time anyways.

 

[trojanfan12]

Ingram still COULD be a "potential star"- but its just not based on anything that we have seen thus far besides pure speculation.

plenty of teeangers have come into the league and been very good right away- plenty have not. Right now for Ingram to be a "star" he would have to be the exception- and not the rule- based on what he has shown thus far. That is what i am saying.

Can a guy recover from such an abysmal first year? ABSOLUTELY- would it represent an exception to the rule, and not rhe rule at this point? yah of course.

Im just saying- if you were to grade Ingrams chance at being a "star" on the day he was drafted- and compared them to today- his stock has fallen. Thats not even debatable.

My guess is...you haven't seen him play. There have been flashes of the player he could eventually be. The potential problem is, we've only seen flashes. A game here and there. He recently put together a run of 4 or 5 games where he played well, but then followed that up with several where he didn't.

He needs to continue working on his game, develop some consistency and he'll likely be fine.

 

[Heatles84]

I just read that the Kings' own 1st rounder goes to Chicago if it's outside the top ten?

They had better pray this team doesn't see some kinda weird win streak result from this trade. If they just traded a star and wind up with one mid-round pick this June they're in serious shit lol.

It may actually work out for them. The Kings have looked over all-star players before. Last notable one was Ferdette being picked before Klay Thompson.

 

[Bolts]

I just read that the Kings' own 1st rounder goes to Chicago if it's outside the top ten?

They had better pray this team doesn't see some kinda weird win streak result from this trade. If they just traded a star and wind up with one mid-round pick this June they're in serious shit lol.

To be fair, they already are in serious shit. And I assume they'll be trading off vets like Collison and KK to add more young players and picks which will hurt their chances of winning even more, but it would be the Kings' luck to play well enough without Cousins to lose their pick while the Pelicans make the playoffs so that pick is outside of the lottery.

 

[Bolts]

What could have been.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

To be fair, they already are in serious shit. And I assume they'll be trading off vets like Collison and KK to add more young players and picks which will hurt their chances of winning even more, but it would be the Kings' luck to play well enough without Cousins to lose their pick while the Pelicans make the playoffs so that pick is outside of the lottery.

While I think the trade is pretty bad, it does seem like they know what they want to do which is at least a sliver of light. If they do get these two picks in the 5-14 range, they've got Bogdan coming next year, they have another bad year and have their pick for 2018, they could be where the Sixers are now in 2018-19.

 

[GNG]

I still watch it (mainly because there's nothing else on). But, last night may have been my last one. I had considered going to a movie instead of watching the game and about halfway through the 2nd quarter I found myself wishing I had gone to the movie.

I usually don't watch All-Star games myself.

 

[Bolts]

While I think the trade is pretty bad, it does seem like they know what they want to do which is at least a sliver of light. If they do get these two picks in the 5-14 range, they've got Bogdan coming next year, they have another bad year and have their pick for 2018, they could be where the Sixers are now in 2018-19.

It'd be much easier to get down with the tanking if the 76ers didn't have the pick swap control. Philly could be a playoff team next season with another lottery pick or two and a healthy Embiid/Simmons. Kings finishing bottom 3 in 2018 only to get a pick between 10-15 would be horrible.

 

[larryjohn]

I just read that the Kings' own 1st rounder goes to Chicago if it's outside the top ten?
They had better pray this team doesn't see some kinda weird win streak result from this trade. If they just traded a star and wind up with one mid-round pick this June they're in serious shit lol.

That is one of the other benefits of the trade from Kings point of view. They have a better opportunity now to hold onto this pick.

 

[bksballer89]

Matt Barnes just got waived. Expect him to go to a contender

 

[Robotech]

While I think the trade is pretty bad, it does seem like they know what they want to do which is at least a sliver of light. If they do get these two picks in the 5-14 range, they've got Bogdan coming next year, they have another bad year and have their pick for 2018, they could be where the Sixers are now in 2018-19.

I guess you can say the Kings are thinking outside the box. Or maybe outside of the planet where the box is located.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

It'd be much easier to get down with the tanking if the 76ers didn't have the pick swap control. Philly could be a playoff team next season with another lottery pick or two and a healthy Embiid/Simmons. Kings finishing bottom 3 in 2018 only to get a pick between 10-15 would be horrible.

The Sixers can swap picks with the Kings next year?

Christ. Sorry man.

 

[Bolts]

The Sixers can swap picks with the Kings next year?

Christ. Sorry man.

Actually going back to the trade I was wrong, it looks like the 76ers just get the Kings' pick next year. It was 2016 and 2017 that the swap could happen. Such a fuckup trade that was. If the Kings walk into this year's draft with the 6th and 12th picks I'd be happy.

 

[Bolts]

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

So I checked on prosportstransactions.com and it says the following:

76ers (76ers have option to swap first round picks with Kings (Kings pick protected #11-30 if Kings to not convey first round pick to Cavaliers in 2016)



76ERS WOULD NOT EXERCISE PICK SWAP OPTION BECAUSE KING PICK IS CURRENTLY BEING CONVEYED TO CAVALIERS



Traded • rights to Arturas Gudaitis • rights to Luka Mitrovic • 76ers option to swap 2016 first round picks with Kings (Kings pick protected #11-30) (not exercised) • 76ers option to swap 2017 first round picks with Kings (Kings pick protected #11-30 if Kings do not convey first round pick to Cavaliers in 2016) (?-?) to Kings for • Nik Stauskas • Jason Thompson • Carl Landry • 76ers option to swap 2016 first round picks with Kings (Kings pick protected #11-30, else extinguished) (not exercised) • 76ers option to swap 2017 first round picks with Kings (Kings pick protected #11-30 if Kings do not convey first round pick to Cavaliers in 2016) (?-?) • first round pick (conditional if Kings convey first round pick to Cavaliers in 2016, protected top 10 in 2018, unprotected in 2019) (?-?) on 2015-07-01

They also apparently owe a pick to the Bulls and Cavs??