2015 Rosterbation

[Montalban]

Right.

A pinch hitter.

That's where his value is. He can also fill in adequately at first base and left field for short periods of time as well. As I said though, I did not expect him back at all.

 

[Montalban]

Hacktor signs for Ishi money:

Report: Giants sign Sanchez to one-year deal, avoid arbitration | CSN Bay Area

Don't understand this one at all. Susac looks like a professional at the plate; this guy looks like a clown.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Don't understand this one at all. Susac looks like a professional at the plate; this guy looks like a clown.

Trade bait.

 

[Montalban]

Then where would Posey play?

Ha ha! Leave that poor fellow to his dreams.

 

[tzill]

Actually, LESS than Ishi money.

I am good with this signing. Apparently, Hacktor still has an option, so he and Susac and exchange spots between SF and Sacto throughout the year. I am VERY good with that plan.

I was referring to your 800k projection.

:rollseyes:

 

[tzill]

Trade bait.

And org depth. He has that one skill that makes him a valuable catcher...dude can hit.

 

[tzill]

 

[Montalban]

And org depth. He has that one skill that makes him a valuable catcher...dude can hit.

Hector Sanchez? Dude hit 190-something and struck out in more than a third of his at bats last year.

 

[tzill]

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Hector Sanchez? Dude hit 190-something and struck out in more than a third of his at bats last year.

Do you understand small sample sizes, or shall I explain?

Look at his 2012 and 2013 (when he WASN'T concussed) and realize that he's only 25. Further, just trust your eyes...he can hit.

 

[Stokes1931]

Chase Headley Rumors: Thursday ? MLB Trade Rumors

Is it too rich?

Chase Headley Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com

Total WAR:

2014: 3.7
2013: 4.0
2012: 6.0

Plus, they figured out a back problem he had last year, and was much better the second half.

At even $6mm/WAR, he's a bargain - better numbers than our last 3B.

I hope it's us that offered 4/65.

Perhaps, but that WAR trend does NOT look very encouraging.

Also, per BBRef,

2012 WAR = 6.3
2013 WAR = 3.8
2014 WAR (SD) = 1.4
2014 WAR (NYY) = 2.1

If WAR is $6 million per, then 2012 Headley was worth $38 million per season?!?

 

[SFGRTB]

What about Andre Ethier? I know the chances of trading with the dodgers is astronomically low, but there is a new management regime, and they are clearly done with him. Or Van Slyke? Just thinking outside the box here.

 

[tzill]

Perhaps, but that WAR trend does NOT look very encouraging.

Also, per BBRef,

2012 WAR = 6.3
2013 WAR = 3.8
2014 WAR (SD) = 1.4
2014 WAR (NYY) = 2.1

If WAR is $6 million per, then 2012 Headley was worth $38 million per season?!?

Chase Headley reportedly has a $65 million offer on the table | HardballTalk

 

[Mays-Fan]

Perhaps, but that WAR trend does NOT look very encouraging.

Also, per BBRef,

2012 WAR = 6.3
2013 WAR = 3.8
2014 WAR (SD) = 1.4
2014 WAR (NYY) = 2.1

If WAR is $6 million per, then 2012 Headley was worth $38 million per season?!?

You conveniently ignored this extremely important part:

Plus, they figured out a back problem he had last year, and was much better the second half.

So it could be argued that his numbers may go UP next year.

At 4/65, for us, he would be worth it, IMHO.

Unless we have other big plans for third.

 

[Mays-Fan]

Perhaps, but that WAR trend does NOT look very encouraging.

Also, per BBRef,

2012 WAR = 6.3
2013 WAR = 3.8
2014 WAR (SD) = 1.4
2014 WAR (NYY) = 2.1

If WAR is $6 million per, then 2012 Headley was worth $38 million per season?!?

Here's a pretty good background article:

The Cost of a Win in the 2014 Off-Season | FanGraphs Baseball

Also, think of it this way:

If I could foretell the future, and all the owners and GM's believed me, and all players were released from their contracts, starting fresh like a fantasy league, and I told them, "Look, I've got a 3B who I GUARANTEE next year will hit 31 HR's with 115 RBI's, have 17 SB's, and win the Gold Glove - GUARANTEED! What am I bid for a one-year contract?"

Do you think someone would bid $38 million? I do. Bidding would likely start in the $30 million range and go up from there.

 

[Montalban]

Do you understand small sample sizes, or shall I explain?

Look at his 2012 and 2013 (when he WASN'T concussed) and realize that he's only 25. Further, just trust your eyes...he can hit.

He had plenty of at bats lst year; I'll grant you the concussion excuse but I think he's lifetime .240 or something? Now Susac, despite his small sample size, looks like he knows what he's doing up there. It seems to me that Sanchez subscribes to the Pablo Sandoval "swing at anything" approach.

 

[Stokes1931]

You conveniently ignored this extremely important part:

Plus, they figured out a back problem he had last year, and was much better the second half.

So it could be argued that his numbers may go UP next year.

At 4/65, for us, he would be worth it, IMHO.

Unless we have other big plans for third.

I am just glad I am not a GM having to spend $65 million on a maybe.

 

[msgkings322]

I am just glad I am not a GM having to spend $65 million on a maybe.

Are you kidding? I would LOVE to be a GM doing that. It's not Sabean's money...

Remember, all the other GMs have to do the same. I say this every year: every year the contracts will keep going up, and every year we will shake our heads at them, and 2 years later the contracts we thought were crazy will be bargains compared to the new ones. Exhibit A: Pence's deal.

15 is the new 10. 20 is the new 15. And next year 25 is the new 20...just keeps going.

 

[tzill]

He had plenty of at bats lst year; I'll grant you the concussion excuse but I think he's lifetime .240 or something? Now Susac, despite his small sample size, looks like he knows what he's doing up there. It seems to me that Sanchez subscribes to the Pablo Sandoval "swing at anything" approach.

160 or so ABs is not "plenty" of ABs. I guess you don't really understand the volatility of small sample sizes. Nonetheless, you should be able to see that he can hit by simply watching him. He's a free swinger, but even if he were to end up a .250 hitter (which I think he is now) he'd be a plus offensive catcher. That position is a hitting wasteland.

My point is that he's got value. And if you've followed the board you'll know that I've been supportive of Susac since he was at OSU. That all said, Susac has yet to prove he can hit ML pitching. He's very promising and I believe he will be a ML hitter, but he's not even had 100 ABs yet. Chez has had over 500.

He can hit. Not sure if he can develop into an adequate receiver, but he can hit.

 

[tzill]

I am just glad I am not a GM having to spend $65 million on a maybe.

You wouldn't need to be.

If he could replicate what he's already done in his career, 265/350/410 113 OPS+ and 4 WAR a year, He'd be well worth the 16MM a year.

Put another way, he'd need to put up 11 WAR over the next four years. He's 30, so I'd think it's a pretty good risk.

 

[Montalban]

160 or so ABs is not "plenty" of ABs. I guess you don't really understand the volatility of small sample sizes. Nonetheless, you should be able to see that he can hit by simply watching him. He's a free swinger, but even if he were to end up a .250 hitter (which I think he is now) he'd be a plus offensive catcher. That position is a hitting wasteland.

My point is that he's got value. And if you've followed the board you'll know that I've been supportive of Susac since he was at OSU. That all said, Susac has yet to prove he can hit ML pitching. He's very promising and I believe he will be a ML hitter, but he's not even had 100 ABs yet. Chez has had over 500.

He can hit. Not sure if he can develop into an adequate receiver, but he can hit.

I see it in Susac but Sanchez.....not so much. I can see from Susac's approach and his pitch selection that he can hit. Hackers like Sanchez, once pitchers realize they will swing at anything, won't throw them a strike and they will get worse each year.