2015 Rosterbation

[MarcoPolo]

I can live with equating NY to California when it comes to the Ruling Elite crushing the middle class.

Geez, I *wish* I was middle class ... then I'd be earning $500K !!

 

[Stokes1931]

There was a really terrific interview tonight of Andrew Susac by Marty Lurie on KNBR. I will try and post the link when I find it. What a terrific young man! Comes across as smart and mature.

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

Obviously this is today, things will change tomorrow but IF reports are true that;
1.) Boston is favorites to sign Sandoval
2.) Padres are favorites to sign Tomas


So we miss out on two big hitters. Could pursue Headley, but good chance NYY are doing everything to bring him back.

Do we go after a big name SP like Lester?

If not and no big money is spent. Is an offseason that consists of re-signing Vogelsong, giving Peavy say a three-year deal and re-signing Romo and Morse to multi-year deals.

Is that considered a bad offseason?

I ask because IMO. If we don't sign Tomas/Sandoval/Headley. That's fine. FO decided to save their WS profits and focus on 2016. But if that's the case I don't think we should be committing to guys like Peavy, Morse, Vogelsong. If it is a "regroup" year, might as well do it with younger guys whose contracts won't be much.

 

[tzill]

Obviously this is today, things will change tomorrow but IF reports are true that;
1.) Boston is favorites to sign Sandoval
2.) Padres are favorites to sign Tomas


So we miss out on two big hitters. Could pursue Headley, but good chance NYY are doing everything to bring him back.

Do we go after a big name SP like Lester?

If not and no big money is spent. Is an offseason that consists of re-signing Vogelsong, giving Peavy say a three-year deal and re-signing Romo and Morse to multi-year deals.

Is that considered a bad offseason?


I ask because IMO. If we don't sign Tomas/Sandoval/Headley. That's fine. FO decided to save their WS profits and focus on 2016. But if that's the case I don't think we should be committing to guys like Peavy, Morse, Vogelsong. If it is a "regroup" year, might as well do it with younger guys whose contracts won't be much.

I doubt we miss out on Panda. Latest is that the Sox are not going more than four years. We've offered 5/90. Tomas to Padres is very interesting though.

 

[calsnowskier]

Obviously this is today, things will change tomorrow but IF reports are true that;
1.) Boston is favorites to sign Sandoval
2.) Padres are favorites to sign Tomas


So we miss out on two big hitters. Could pursue Headley, but good chance NYY are doing everything to bring him back.

Do we go after a big name SP like Lester?

If not and no big money is spent. Is an offseason that consists of re-signing Vogelsong, giving Peavy say a three-year deal and re-signing Romo and Morse to multi-year deals.

Is that considered a bad offseason?

I ask because IMO. If we don't sign Tomas/Sandoval/Headley. That's fine. FO decided to save their WS profits and focus on 2016. But if that's the case I don't think we should be committing to guys like Peavy, Morse, Vogelsong. If it is a "regroup" year, might as well do it with younger guys whose contracts won't be much.

If the off-season plays out exactly as you have painted, then yes, it would be a VERY bad off-season.

I would place the odds of that scenario coming to fruition at about 2.7%.

 

[calsnowskier]

I doubt we miss out on Panda. Latest is that the Sox are not going more than four years. We've offered 5/90. Tomas to Padres is very interesting though.

I just don't get the Tomas to Padres rumors. The rumors may be 100% accurate, but why would the Padres dump a shit-ton of dough into a Cuban kid?

Granted, they have a new front office, but they have been through lots of front offices in the last decade and have not ever shown the tendency to dump $$ into the team, whether it be for their own talent or FA talent.

Further, assuming there are multiple teams in on Tomas, why would he chose the Padres unless they were actually putting up the highest bid, by a decent margin?

I just don't see it happenning. But stranger things HAVE happened...

 

[Montalban]

There was a really terrific interview tonight of Andrew Susac by Marty Lurie on KNBR. I will try and post the link when I find it. What a terrific young man! Comes across as smart and mature.

I really like him as well.

 

[MarcoPolo]

I just don't get the Tomas to Padres rumors. The rumors may be 100% accurate, but why would the Padres dump a shit-ton of dough into a Cuban kid?

Granted, they have a new front office, but they have been through lots of front offices in the last decade and have not ever shown the tendency to dump $$ into the team, whether it be for their own talent or FA talent.

Further, assuming there are multiple teams in on Tomas, why would he chose the Padres unless they were actually putting up the highest bid, by a decent margin?

I just don't see it happenning. But stranger things HAVE happened...

It turns out that the Pads significantly upped their salary in the past 2 seasons. Opening day payroll was $55M in 2012 (with very, very little money on contracts moving forward). Opening day payroll in 2014 was ... $90M, with over $40M already on the books for 2015, to just 7 players. They might think that now is the time to make a move. They blew the 2007 & 2008 drafts, but did eh, OK, in '09 and '10. (Depending on how Jedd Gyorko turns out, '10 could be a good draft for them.) 2011 they had FIVE first round picks (including supplemental) and that could turn out to be a great draft for them. They are just now getting guys from that draft into AAA or for a cuppa in the majors.

They only have 5 guys on payroll who earn over $5M, and nobody earns over $10M. They also have a LOT of young talent (both in the majors and in the minors) who could make 2015 a break-through season for them. But the Pads seem to have the OF sewn up for the next 2 years, so I'd expect Tomas to play 3B if the Padres sign him.

They may just think that now is the time to make a move, what with the new $30M/yr national TV money. Time to get butts back in the seats, by playing as a contender for a couple of years (they have quietly added a lot of talent over the last couple of years).

 

[tzill]

I really like him as well.

If only someone had pointed him out a couple of years ago...

 

[Mays-Fan]

Geez, I *wish* I was middle class ... then I'd be earning $500K !!

That's the middle class making $519K+? Sign me up!

I think the ruling elite probably pay more taxes than the middle class.

/political snark

Sigh.

I merely quoted the top Cali rate, the one that impacts the FA's decision.

Here's the rest:

$0 $7,749 $0.00 plus 1.00% $0
$7,749 $18,371 $77.49 plus 2.00% $7,749
$18,371 $28,995 $289.93 plus 4.00% $18,371
$28,995 $40,250 $714.89 plus 6.00% $28,995
$40,250 $50,869 $1,390.19 plus 8.00% $40,250
$50,869 $259,844 $2,239.71 plus 9.30% $50,869
$259,844 $311,812 $21,674.39 plus 10.30% $259,844
$311,812 $519,687 $27,027.09 plus 11.30% $311,812
$519,687 AND OVER $50,516.97 plus 12.30% $519,687

Anything over $40k here is taxed at a high rate vs the rest of the country, esp TX and FL (where it is zero).

 

[Montalban]

If only someone had pointed him out a couple of years ago...

I have to admit, I had completley forgotten about him over the last year when it appeared that Sanchez was going to be the backup catcher for the foreseeable future.

I'd love to see Susac get something approaching regular playing time but only if its not at the expense of Posey being in the lineup. And I'm not sure how you do that.

 

[Mays-Fan]

I have to admit, I had completley forgotten about him over the last year when it appeared that Sanchez was going to be the backup catcher for the foreseeable future.

I'd love to see Susac get something approaching regular playing time but only if its not at the expense of Posey being in the lineup. And I'm not sure how you do that.

Put Posey at third. Use Panda money + WSCIII money + TV money to get a quality FA OF and a quality FA SP. Just saying, if we don't sign Panda.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Sigh.

I merely quoted the top Cali rate, the one that impacts the FA's decision.

Here's the rest:

$0 $7,749 $0.00 plus 1.00% $0
$7,749 $18,371 $77.49 plus 2.00% $7,749
$18,371 $28,995 $289.93 plus 4.00% $18,371
$28,995 $40,250 $714.89 plus 6.00% $28,995
$40,250 $50,869 $1,390.19 plus 8.00% $40,250
$50,869 $259,844 $2,239.71 plus 9.30% $50,869
$259,844 $311,812 $21,674.39 plus 10.30% $259,844
$311,812 $519,687 $27,027.09 plus 11.30% $311,812
$519,687 AND OVER $50,516.97 plus 12.30% $519,687

Anything over $40k here is taxed at a high rate vs the rest of the country, esp TX and FL (where it is zero).

Those numbers didn't look right, then I realized you probably posted rates for single filers (I'm married). As already pointed out :

- If you live or work in NYC, you pay higher taxes than here
- baseball player pay taxes where ever they *play*. Yes, over half the games will be in CA, but for the other games they will pay income taxes to the other states

Also : Sure no state *income* taxes in TX, but then you have to live in that shithole.

PS : Cali is a city in Columbia, so I really don't see what that has to do with anything.

 

[Stokes1931]

Cincinnati Reds discussing trades involving RF Jay Bruce - MLB - SI.com

 

[calsnowskier]

Wotus has been eliminated from the running for the TB managerial position.

How can this guy continue to get over-looked? Maybe he just doesn't have the fire to be THE guy?

15 seasons as the bench coach on a team with 4 pennants and 3 championships. He has to be doing SOMETHING right.

Wotus and Raggs with almost 2 decades holding down the top 2 coaching spots on this team. That is some INSANE consistency.

 

[calsnowskier]

Boston has reportedly offered Panda 5/95. Also reportedly, the Giants have offered the "Pence" (5/90) as the their last, best offer. Would Panda walk over 1M per year?

Hammer says that he "hears" the Giants are out of the running. I don't see that anywhere, so I suspect it is just him running off at the mouth again. But if they are set at 5/90 (and I don't want to go a penny over that), maybe it is time the Giants apply a little pressure and say "Take it in the next 24, or we are out." The Giants officially exiting the market would hurt Pandas bargaining power, so he would need to act SOMEWHERE before that happens.

 

[calsnowskier]

Also, Fitz (I think it was him), was talking about the possibility of throwing vesting options at the tail-end if the contract as a way to incentivizing Panda to stay fit throughout the life if the contract.

For example, 5 years guaranteed, but with a vested 6 with 800 ABs in years 4 and 5 or 500 in year 5. Play with the numbers, but use that idea. That would give him the incentive to remain in "Playing weight" for the bulk of the contract.

 

[MarcoPolo]

5/90 is already almost an overpay, and the reason he is getting offers of 18/19M a year is because :

1) he's the best 3B available (in a poor class) this off-season
2) he was a very public monster in the post-season in both 2012 and 2014 (but just 'good' during the season)

Pence outplayed him all season, and last season as well (which actually surprised me, both years). Panda's only had a WAR over 3.5 twice, and half of his 'fullish' seasons (> 400 PAs) are under 3 (2.7, 2.1, 1.5). A WAR of 3 means he should be getting around $18M/yr.

I *almost* wish he'd accept Boston's offer (rumored to be 5/95) as he makes more sense in the AL with the DH as a possibility if he fattens up, BUT - (a) the Giants really have nobody to play at 3B and (b) he'd *rake* the Green Monster in Boston and it would make his departure hurt even more.

Panda signed means no other big name (or even 'good player') acquired this off-season (unless there is a late dumpster-dive possibility because a player didn't get the multi-year contract he thought he 'deserved', like Morse last year). So prob no Peavy and no big bopping LF.

 

[calsnowskier]

5/90 is already almost an overpay, and the reason he is getting offers of 18/19M a year is because :

1) he's the best 3B available (in a poor class) this off-season
2) he was a very public monster in the post-season in both 2012 and 2014 (but just 'good' during the season)

Pence outplayed him all season, and last season as well (which actually surprised me, both years). Panda's only had a WAR over 3.5 twice, and half of his 'fullish' seasons (> 400 PAs) are under 3 (2.7, 2.1, 1.5). A WAR of 3 means he should be getting around $18M/yr.

I *almost* wish he'd accept Boston's offer (rumored to be 5/95) as he makes more sense in the AL with the DH as a possibility if he fattens up, BUT - (a) the Giants really have nobody to play at 3B and (b) he'd *rake* the Green Monster in Boston and it would make his departure hurt even more.

Panda signed means no other big name (or even 'good player') acquired this off-season (unless there is a late dumpster-dive possibility because a player didn't get the multi-year contract he thought he 'deserved', like Morse last year). So prob no Peavy and no big bopping LF.

Everyone gushes over Pandas World Series numbers this year, and rightfully so. But no one remembers that Pence had BETTER numbers. Panda was probably MVP #3, not MVP #2.

Good point, Marco.

 

[Stokes1931]

If only someone had pointed him out a couple of years ago...

If only.....