2015 Draft

[lasgop8]

Subban signs. That's no fun

I think this was a case of the first team to show interest he would sign with.

 

[awaz]

I think this was a case of the first team to show interest he would sign with.

he was drafted by the 'nucks if I'm not mistaken. their hold on him was just coming up.

 

[JBM73]

found some gold on the draft. since we're talking about crouse, his profile is the link. but there's a lot more if you click around the site a bit.

HOW GOOD IS LAWSON CROUSE? | OilersNation

Great info, thanks awaz! Pretty much reinforces my previous thoughts - assuming the top 5 are off the board, it should be between what's left of Barzal, Werenski and Provorov. I know some are thinking the Flyers already have a number of good defensive prospects, but the fact of the matter is that Hockey's Future just rated Sanheim as the Flyers best prospect - at #49. That's not encouraging.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Great info, thanks awaz! Pretty much reinforces my previous thoughts - assuming the top 5 are off the board, it should be between what's left of Barzal, Werenski and Provorov. I know some are thinking the Flyers already have a number of good defensive prospects, but the fact of the matter is that Hockey's Future just rated Sanheim as the Flyers best prospect - at #49. That's not encouraging.

Best players available

You rack up the assets and then if you have a surplus you can make a move later on to address needs

 

[awaz]

Great info, thanks awaz! Pretty much reinforces my previous thoughts - assuming the top 5 are off the board, it should be between what's left of Barzal, Werenski and Provorov. I know some are thinking the Flyers already have a number of good defensive prospects, but the fact of the matter is that Hockey's Future just rated Sanheim as the Flyers best prospect - at #49. That's not encouraging.

yep, I agree. Seems like it'll be Barzal, Rantanen, Werenski, and Provorov at the 7 spot. Man would I love if Marner fell though.

I'd like to go forward because they're more exciting, but that's a silly reason for a professional organization to draft a guy. I'd be perfectly OK with a d-man. The more the merrier on the back end, that's the hard part to find these days.

I think the 2nd pick they'll have options up front or on D. Seems to be a lot of depth in the 20-40 range in this draft.

I have a suspicion that the Flyers pick will be someone none of us expected though. In the past few years that I've been following the draft closely, every 1st pick has been someone I didn't do much research on!

 

[Cobiemonster]

I just thought of it

I know I've talked about trading Mark Streit and I think a team that would be a good fit would be Montreal: He played there in the past and they need lots of help on the power play - that was one of their issues - with Jeff Petry walking, he might be a good fit - I know they have some younger guys there but I think that would be a fit

Flyers aren't winning anything of significance next season and I bet they could probably find someone in FA on a cheaper value deal that could provide them some offense from the blueline - I would be stacking up the picks if I'm the Flyers

 

[awaz]

updated the first post with some of the links that have been posted throughout for those interested. makes it a little easier to find them in cases of continuously updated reviews.

hope you don't mind @wbon22 !

 

[flyersfan4706]

I just thought of it

I know I've talked about trading Mark Streit and I think a team that would be a good fit would be Montreal: He played there in the past and they need lots of help on the power play - that was one of their issues - with Jeff Petry walking, he might be a good fit - I know they have some younger guys there but I think that would be a fit

Flyers aren't winning anything of significance next season and I bet they could probably find someone in FA on a cheaper value deal that could provide them some offense from the blueline - I would be stacking up the picks if I'm the Flyers

Is Petry walking? I thought that Habs were already trying to lock him up.

Part of me would like to trade Streit and get value, but we really should have a few decent vets around so the kids aren't thrown into a fire.

 

[flyersfan4706]

My guts tells me the Flyers will pick Werenski or Crouse. Just seem like Flyers kind of guys

 

[Cobiemonster]

Is Petry walking? I thought that Habs were already trying to lock him up.

Part of me would like to trade Streit and get value, but we really should have a few decent vets around so the kids aren't thrown into a fire.

Yeah I think Montreal will do everything in their power - they're letting Gonchar, Weaver and Manny Malhotra walk so that will clear some cap space

I get both points and those are legitimate ones at that - I just think if they can pull the trigger and get some really good value for him in a trade now, why not do it? I'd rather trade him now than have a risk that he falls off(not saying he will but you never know) and then he's untradeable for the next two years and they're stuck with him and he blocks one of the young guys from getting a spot in the top six

I really like what he brings to the table too, I just think they have to maximize their assets right now - it's kind of like the Scott Hartnell situation except in this case, the Flyers really can get good value for Mark Streit - neither one of these players are realistically going to be the difference between them getting a deep run and not - the most important thing was what you mentioned about having veterans around the young d-men, but as I said earlier, they can always find value guys in FA(they did that with MDZ and Nick Schultz) later on after teams overpay like hell on day one

 

[flyersfan4706]

Yeah I think Montreal will do everything in their power - they're letting Gonchar, Weaver and Manny Malhotra walk so that will clear some cap space

I get both points and those are legitimate ones at that - I just think if they can pull the trigger and get some really good value for him in a trade now, why not do it? I'd rather trade him now than have a risk that he falls off(not saying he will but you never know) and then he's untradeable for the next two years and they're stuck with him and he blocks one of the young guys from getting a spot in the top six

I really like what he brings to the table too, I just think they have to maximize their assets right now - it's kind of like the Scott Hartnell situation except in this case, the Flyers really can get good value for Mark Streit - neither one of these players are realistically going to be the difference between them getting a deep run and not - the most important thing was what you mentioned about having veterans around the young d-men, but as I said earlier, they can always find value guys in FA(they did that with MDZ and Nick Schultz) later on after teams overpay like hell on day one

It's something I'd definitely consider. We could probably get away with retaining some salary if needed. Just not sure Hextall will sell that much. We are certainly not winning any Cups, but with a good coach we could possibly see the playoffs during this retool. Streit would be a big part of that and I don't think we can get someone as good as him in FA for that cheap.

 

[Cobiemonster]

It's something I'd definitely consider. We could probably get away with retaining some salary if needed. Just not sure Hextall will sell that much. We are certainly not winning any Cups, but with a good coach we could possibly see the playoffs during this retool. Streit would be a big part of that and I don't think we can get someone as good as him in FA for that cheap.

I don't want a one and done in the playoffs where every other year they are alternating playoffs and no playoffs - yes, being a playoff team would be nice but it's not about just making the playoffs - look at Detroit, yes they've had a rich history but the last few years it seems like they're just content on making the playoffs just to extend the "playoff streak" - I want the Flyers to be like Chicago for example, where they don't want to just get in but they want to do big things - if the Flyers can get really good value for players, they need to really consider it - Mark Streit isn't ten years younger at this point either

I agree that they probably won't find someone nearly as good, but I'd take a little less for now if it meant getting more later on with picks, etc

 

[petemily]

Getting a 1st of any kind for an overrated Coburn is a plus, let alone getting more then just 1 1st rounder as Hextall did. Seeing how overrated Coburn really is now . He's on a good defensive team and he's still MINUS 6 in the playoffs. Yeah I know, he has GREAT WHEELS. Know what, so did Shawn Antoski and Rosehill won Flyers fastest skater. Meaningless having "GREAT WHEELS" if all you do is skate to the bench after turnovers.

 

[flyersfan4706]

Brock Boeser is a UND commit who could be around for the Lightning pick.

 

[awaz]

Brock Boeser is a UND commit who could be around for the Lightning pick.

reading about him, seems like a Jagr-style player with less playmaking and obviously less refined/skilled. But that seems like the type of player he is. big body, puck protection/posession, shoot first type guy.

 

[flyersfan4706]

reading about him, seems like a Jagr-style player with less playmaking and obviously less refined/skilled. But that seems like the type of player he is. big body, puck protection/posession, shoot first type guy.

He is a name I have thought of before. I am probably just streching here, but now that we have a good UND connection maybe we'll see our scouts leaning towards former Hakstol commits.

 

[awaz]

He is a name I have thought of before. I am probably just streching here, but now that we have a good UND connection maybe we'll see our scouts leaning towards former Hakstol commits.

I hope that doesn't factor in.

1. In all honesty, there's like a 15% chance Hakstol is still the coach by the time Boeser (if he's the pick) makes the Flyers. NHL coaches have a super short shelf life.

2. Hakstol was recruiting for college hockey, that doesn't necessarily mean he though he'd be a good NHL-er.

3. Hakstol won't be at UND to develop him. I feel certain college coaches at players desired locations, plays in to where they go in the draft. I think UND promoted one of their assistants, so it will be a similar grooming period, but it won't be the same grooming Toews, Oshie, et al got.

4. I would hope the scouts have the board pretty well settled at this point. Or at least very close. There's not much left of them to watch, a few games for a few players in the CHL playoffs is about it I think. To shake up a SCOUTing report based on the input of a COACH would be a little eye brow raising to me.

 

[flyersfan4706]

I hope that doesn't factor in.

1. In all honesty, there's like a 15% chance Hakstol is still the coach by the time Boeser (if he's the pick) makes the Flyers. NHL coaches have a super short shelf life.

2. Hakstol was recruiting for college hockey, that doesn't necessarily mean he though he'd be a good NHL-er.

3. Hakstol won't be at UND to develop him. I feel certain college coaches at players desired locations, plays in to where they go in the draft. I think UND promoted one of their assistants, so it will be a similar grooming period, but it won't be the same grooming Toews, Oshie, et al got.

4. I would hope the scouts have the board pretty well settled at this point. Or at least very close. There's not much left of them to watch, a few games for a few players in the CHL playoffs is about it I think. To shake up a SCOUTing report based on the input of a COACH would be a little eye brow raising to me.

I agree with you, just speculating for the sake of it. Though form what I remember the draft board still has potential to change a bit. In Flight Plan a bunch of guys got moved around right before the draft. Either way, you're right that he shouldn't be factoring in.

 

[wbon22]

updated the first post with some of the links that have been posted throughout for those interested. makes it a little easier to find them in cases of continuously updated reviews.

hope you don't mind @wbon22 !

OMG...too much information to mind....

 

[awaz]

I agree with you, just speculating for the sake of it. Though form what I remember the draft board still has potential to change a bit. In Flight Plan a bunch of guys got moved around right before the draft. Either way, you're right that he shouldn't be factoring in.

Oh speculate away. If you could find something really controversial maybe we can kill a few days