2014 NY Yankees

[steveringo]

On the books, it looks like they have Arod $26, Wells $6, Teixeira $23, Sabbathia $23, Soriano $9, Jeter $3, & Ichiro $6....

 

[BigDDude]

On the books, it looks like they have Arod $26, Wells $6, Teixeira $23, Sabbathia $23, Soriano $9, Jeter $3, & Ichiro $6....

To be sure, or, for those who want info and want to check on it, here is the link you will need.

New York Yankees | Cot's Baseball Contracts

 

[poprocksncoke]

On the books, it looks like they have Arod $26, Wells $6, Teixeira $23, Sabbathia $23, Soriano $9, Jeter $3, & Ichiro $6....

At least 2 of those wont be playing for them, Arod suspended and dereK will retire or be on the DL.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

At least 2 of those wont be playing for them, Arod suspended and dereK will retire or be on the DL.

There's a -5000% chance Jeter retires.

 

[Tacoma_canuck]

Don't they get out of paying ARod if he's suspended? I don't know how that works, honestly. Just thought I heard or read that somewhere. Anywho, the Yanks have some albatrosses for sure but are the only team that can get through it. They really need to address the farm system, don't they?

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Don't they get out of paying ARod if he's suspended? I don't know how that works, honestly. Just thought I heard or read that somewhere. Anywho, the Yanks have some albatrosses for sure but are the only team that can get through it. They really need to address the farm system, don't they?

Yeah, okay. Whatever you say, Chief.

But yes, the Yanks don't have to pay A-Rod if he's suspended. That's standard for all suspensions.

 

[$500 Million]

As it stands now....

C- Romine
1B- Teixeira
2B- Nix
SS- Nunez
3B - Rodriguez
OF - Gardner
OF- Soriano
OF- Ichiro
DH- Wells

SP- Sabathia
SP- Nova
SP- Phelps
SP- Pineda
SP- Warren

CL- Robertson


Other possibilities are Cano, Boone Logan in the bullpen, Zoilo Almonte, Melky Mesa, and Manny Banuelos in the pen.

All this AND they are on a very tight budget this off season, gonna be a long and painful 2014.

 

[$500 Million]

The farm is average at best, there is no Mike Trout in the Yankees farm system and there is certainly no Jose Fernandez. The best they have is Mason Williams (OF) and Gary Sanchez (C), the three first round picks from this past draft are probably 3, 4, and 5. Then there is Jose Campos who they got in the Pineda trade, he was looking really good last year until he got hurt.

 

[nynasty]

The farm is average at best, there is no Mike Trout in the Yankees farm system and there is certainly no Jose Fernandez. The best they have is Mason Williams (OF) and Gary Sanchez (C), the three first round picks from this past draft are probably 3, 4, and 5. Then there is Jose Campos who they got in the Pineda trade, he was looking really good last year until he got hurt.

Don't sleep on Rafael DePaula. Flat dominant K numbers in A ball, got hit a little bit more in hi A, but still K'ed more than 1 per 9. Lot to like with his arm.

Starting to sound like one of the big questions for the 2014 Yankees is who will be their manager? Reading from several different sources that Girardi wants to head back to Chicago.

 

[nynasty]

Don't they get out of paying ARod if he's suspended? I don't know how that works, honestly. Just thought I heard or read that somewhere. Anywho, the Yanks have some albatrosses for sure but are the only team that can get through it. They really need to address the farm system, don't they?

Yeah, they don't pay him while he's suspended. Problem is he'll still have approximately $60M left even if he gets the full 211 games.

 

[$500 Million]

Don't sleep on Rafael DePaula. Flat dominant K numbers in A ball, got hit a little bit more in hi A, but still K'ed more than 1 per 9. Lot to like with his arm.

Starting to sound like one of the big questions for the 2014 Yankees is who will be their manager? Reading from several different sources that Girardi wants to head back to Chicago.

He's in a good position to walk (money wise) after the job he did this year, either way he's in a rebuilding project.

Good call on DePaula.



I probably should have mentioned Jeter, but until he proves he can stay healthy I can't write him down. He's a coin flip at this point and if I did write him down it would be at DH.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

As it stands now....

C- Romine
1B- Teixeira
2B- Nix
SS- Nunez
3B - Rodriguez
OF - Gardner
OF- Soriano
OF- Ichiro
DH- Wells

SP- Sabathia
SP- Nova
SP- Phelps
SP- Pineda
SP- Warren

CL- Robertson


Other possibilities are Cano, Boone Logan in the bullpen, Zoilo Almonte, Melky Mesa, and Manny Banuelos in the pen.

All this AND they are on a very tight budget this off season, gonna be a long and painful 2014.

While I agree it's going to be a long 2014, there is a lot wrong with this post. Melky Mesa was released on September 1. Manny Banuelos hasn't pitched in almost two years and is nowhere near Major League ready.

As for the bolded, yes, they're trying to get down to $189M, but that doesn't mean the budget is "tight". They have a combined $94.5M coming off the books.

All they have committed for next year is:

A-Rod $25M
CC $23M
Teixeira $22.5M
Jeter $8M (assuming he exercises his option)
Ichiro $6.5M
Soriano $5M
Wells $2.5M

Then, they obviously have guys who are arbitration eligible and under team control. Robertson and Gardner are going to get decent raises but nothing crazy. Let's say $4.5m for Robertson and $5M for Gardner. Nova will get a nice little raise and break the $1M mark. All told, I'd figure the team controlled players will total about $18M.

So that's $110.5M, giving them roughly $78.4M to spend for next year. They need to bring back Cano ($22-$25M), and sign a catcher, a couple starting pitchers and an outfielder. They'll probably bring back Reynolds on the cheap and Logan (about $4M apiece). If Kuroda doesn't retire or go back to Japan, he'll be resigned ($15M). Pineda takes Hughes' spot in the rotation. So that leaves $48M to get a starting pitcher (unless they give Phelps or Nuno the 5th spot), a catcher, an outfielder, and some role players (I'd bring Brendan Ryan back in a heartbeat). I'd make offers to Colby Lewis, Brian McCann, Brendan Ryan, JP Howell, and either Nelson Cruz or Hunter Pence, who can be had for around $45M combined.

Another wild card is the result of A-Rod's appeal. If he's suspended for the whole season, obviously the Yankees don't have to pay him that $25M. The question is whether his salary still counts against the luxury tax. I'm not sure if it does or doesn't.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

The farm is average at best, there is no Mike Trout in the Yankees farm system and there is certainly no Jose Fernandez. The best they have is Mason Williams (OF) and Gary Sanchez (C), the three first round picks from this past draft are probably 3, 4, and 5. Then there is Jose Campos who they got in the Pineda trade, he was looking really good last year until he got hurt.

It's not average at best. It's poor at best. Realistically, it's terrible.

 

[poprocksncoke]

There's a -5000% chance Jeter retires.

Oh, thats right...... When he retires he has to do the retirement tour ala Mariano.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

All they have committed for next year is:

A-Rod $25M
CC $23M
Teixeira $22.5M
Jeter $8M (assuming he exercises his option)
Ichiro $6.5M
Soriano $5M
Wells $2.5M

Ouch -- the Yankees are going to be hurting next year. They may be better off letting Cano walk, instead of signing him to a long term monster contract he is going to be looking for. He is going to be 31 in less than a month and not sure the Yankees want to give him 25 million a year into his late 30's or even 40 years old. Those contracts haven't been faring too well for them lately or many teams really.

Crazy how many bad contract NY has on it's payroll though. The craziest part -- A-Rod, CC and Tex, just those 3 players combined, make more in a year than the entire Oakland A's roster. NY received 10 HRs 31 RBIs and a .200 BA to go along with a 4.78 ERA for that 70 million.

It is amazing NY was in the playoff race for so long this year. Girardi should get votes for Manager of the Year.

 

[StanMarsh51]

So that's $110.5M, giving them roughly $78.4M to spend for next year. They need to bring back Cano ($22-$25M), and sign a catcher, a couple starting pitchers and an outfielder. They'll probably bring back Reynolds on the cheap and Logan (about $4M apiece). If Kuroda doesn't retire or go back to Japan, he'll be resigned ($15M). Pineda takes Hughes' spot in the rotation. So that leaves $48M to get a starting pitcher (unless they give Phelps or Nuno the 5th spot), a catcher, an outfielder, and some role players (I'd bring Brendan Ryan back in a heartbeat). I'd make offers to Colby Lewis, Brian McCann, Brendan Ryan, JP Howell, and either Nelson Cruz or Hunter Pence, who can be had for around $45M combined.

Those sound reasonable...

I could see McCann being had for something around 4 years/$50M, Pence or Cruz in the BJ Upton area of 5 yr/$75-80M, Ryan for a 2 yr, $3-4M deal, Howell for 3 yrs/$9M-12M, Lewis for 3 yr/$36-39M

So the math on my guesstimates would be for 2014...
McCann $12.5M
Pence $15-16M
Ryan $2M
Howell $3-4M
Lewis $12-13M

Which comes out to $44.5 - $47.5M (using the ranges for Pence, Lewis and Howell)

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Ouch -- the Yankees are going to be hurting next year. They may be better off letting Cano walk, instead of signing him to a long term monster contract he is going to be looking for. He is going to be 31 in less than a month and not sure the Yankees want to give him 25 million a year into his late 30's or even 40 years old. Those contracts haven't been faring too well for them lately or many teams really.

Crazy how many bad contract NY has on it's payroll though. The craziest part -- A-Rod, CC and Tex, just those 3 players combined, make more in a year than the entire Oakland A's roster. NY received 10 HRs 31 RBIs and a .200 BA to go along with a 4.78 ERA for that 70 million.

It is amazing NY was in the playoff race for so long this year. Girardi should get votes for Manager of the Year.

It's not going to take 8 to 10 years at $25M per to sign Cano, unless someone like the Dodgers makes a stupid, unconscionable offer.

I think 6 years at $23M per will get it done. I'm can live with that. Especially if it's frontloaded. That's the real problem with the megadeals. They're all either backloaded or evenly distributed. They should be frontloaded while the player is still at their max value and you can have a better handle on your current budget rather than having to worry about your future budget.

 

[steveringo]

While I agree it's going to be a long 2014, there is a lot wrong with this post. Melky Mesa was released on September 1. Manny Banuelos hasn't pitched in almost two years and is nowhere near Major League ready.

As for the bolded, yes, they're trying to get down to $189M, but that doesn't mean the budget is "tight". They have a combined $94.5M coming off the books.

All they have committed for next year is:

A-Rod $25M
CC $23M
Teixeira $22.5M
Jeter $8M (assuming he exercises his option)
Ichiro $6.5M
Soriano $5M
Wells $2.5M

Then, they obviously have guys who are arbitration eligible and under team control. Robertson and Gardner are going to get decent raises but nothing crazy. Let's say $4.5m for Robertson and $5M for Gardner. Nova will get a nice little raise and break the $1M mark. All told, I'd figure the team controlled players will total about $18M.

So that's $110.5M, giving them roughly $78.4M to spend for next year. They need to bring back Cano ($22-$25M), and sign a catcher, a couple starting pitchers and an outfielder. They'll probably bring back Reynolds on the cheap and Logan (about $4M apiece). If Kuroda doesn't retire or go back to Japan, he'll be resigned ($15M). Pineda takes Hughes' spot in the rotation. So that leaves $48M to get a starting pitcher (unless they give Phelps or Nuno the 5th spot), a catcher, an outfielder, and some role players (I'd bring Brendan Ryan back in a heartbeat). I'd make offers to Colby Lewis, Brian McCann, Brendan Ryan, JP Howell, and either Nelson Cruz or Hunter Pence, who can be had for around $45M combined.

Another wild card is the result of A-Rod's appeal. If he's suspended for the whole season, obviously the Yankees don't have to pay him that $25M. The question is whether his salary still counts against the luxury tax. I'm not sure if it does or doesn't.

That is basically what I was thinking when I looked at their obligations. They have a lot of holes to fill. After Cano, I don't think they will go crazy with new contracts. They should stock up with a ton of mid-range players for minimal dollars.

I do think they will stay under the $189, but it'll be tough and a ton of fans will not be happy next March...

I also found these articles that mention suspended salaries do not count towards the AAV used to detemine the luxury tax. So, a full season suspension would really help NY's roster next year.

A-Rod decides to have second opinion on quad, but keeps Yankees in the dark | New York Post

Does Ryan Braun?s suspension tell us anything about what?s coming for A-Rod? | River Avenue Blues

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

That is basically what I was thinking when I looked at their obligations. They have a lot of holes to fill. After Cano, I don't think they will go crazy with new contracts. They should stock up with a ton of mid-range players for minimal dollars.

I do think they will stay under the $189, but it'll be tough and a ton of fans will not be happy next March...

I also found these articles that mention suspended salaries do not count towards the AAV used to detemine the luxury tax. So, a full season suspension would really help NY's roster next year.

A-Rod decides to have second opinion on quad, but keeps Yankees in the dark | New York Post

Does Ryan Braun?s suspension tell us anything about what?s coming for A-Rod? | River Avenue Blues

I just don't see any big enough names to justify breaking the bank on, other than Cano. It's Cano and a bunch of quality complimentary players. Usually, there are 3 or 4 top players available. Not so with all the extensions that have been given out. You can't sign a player that isn't a free agent, and you can't trade for top players when you have nothing of value to teams like the Rockies or Brewers.

Good find on the suspension info. Thanks.

 

[DragonfromTO]

It's not going to take 8 to 10 years at $25M per to sign Cano, unless someone like the Dodgers makes a stupid, unconscionable offer.

I think 6 years at $23M per will get it done. I'm can live with that. Especially if it's frontloaded. That's the real problem with the megadeals. They're all either backloaded or evenly distributed. They should be frontloaded while the player is still at their max value and you can have a better handle on your current budget rather than having to worry about your future budget.

Of course the purpose of backloading is that it saves you money in the present that you can instead invest in things that actually have growth, which makes the present value of the entire contract lower to you. Your future budget doesn't have to be a problem if you plan properly.