2014 NY Yankees

[steveringo]

Of course the purpose of backloading is that it saves you money in the present that you can instead invest in things that actually have growth, which makes the present value of the entire contract lower to you. Your future budget doesn't have to be a problem if you plan properly.

Or, if you're Florida, you get the good player for year or two, then trade the bulk of his stupid contract...

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Of course the purpose of backloading is that it saves you money in the present that you can instead invest in things that actually have growth, which makes the present value of the entire contract lower to you. Your future budget doesn't have to be a problem if you plan properly.

Well, your budget never has to be a problem if you plan properly, whether now or later, but we all know that rarely works out in baseball. I just feel that frontloading gives you a higher degree of certainty in the present, and allows you to go out an get another player in the future without creating major budget issues should the contract become an albatross.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It's not going to take 8 to 10 years at $25M per to sign Cano, unless someone like the Dodgers makes a stupid, unconscionable offer.

I think 6 years at $23M per will get it done. I'm can live with that. Especially if it's frontloaded. That's the real problem with the megadeals. They're all either backloaded or evenly distributed. They should be frontloaded while the player is still at their max value and you can have a better handle on your current budget rather than having to worry about your future budget.

I think you can say goodbye to Robinson Cano. If you think he takes a 6 year 148 million dollar contract -- you are kidding yourself. The Yankees shot themselves in the foot with the deals they handed out to Tex and ARod, etc. You can't be paying 23-30 million for players, when your best player is making less than half of that the majority of the time. His pay day is now and I guarantee he bends the Yankees over with his asking price.

They are already reporting Cano's asking price is 10 year 300 million dollars to the Yankees. If I were a betting man, I would wager Cano signs with the Dodgers.

NY would have been better off signing him to an extension before this year. Without Cano -- the Yankees offense will be horrendous. It will take the only dangerous hitter out of the lineup.

The Yankees are going to be in for a long year in 2014.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

I think you can say goodbye to Robinson Cano. If you think he takes a 6 year 148 million dollar contract -- you are kidding yourself. The Yankees shot themselves in the foot with the deals they handed out to Tex and ARod, etc. You can't be paying 23-30 million for players, when your best player is making less than half of that the majority of the time. His pay day is now and I guarantee he bends the Yankees over with his asking price.

They are already reporting Cano's asking price is 10 year 300 million dollars to the Yankees. If I were a betting man, I would wager Cano signs with the Dodgers.

NY would have been better off signing him to an extension before this year. Without Cano -- the Yankees offense will be horrendous. It will take the only dangerous hitter out of the lineup.

The Yankees are going to be in for a long year in 2014.

Well, that's what Buster Olney is saying, which means that it's very likely no such words were ever uttered by Cano's camp.

Cano will sign for 6 years/$148M if that's the best offer. He is signing with whoever offers the most money.

 

[steveringo]

Well, that's what Buster Olney is saying, which means that it's very likely no such words were ever uttered by Cano's camp.

Cano will sign for 6 years/$148M if that's the best offer. He is signing with whoever offers the most money.

Agreed. As the prior post indicated in so many words, the Yankees need Cano. And, I really think the market has changed where massive deals will be very rare. Keep in mind Cano plays second, and it wasn't until a few months ago that a 2B got a $100m contract.

I think the Yankees will re-sign Robinson, and he will be lucky to get $148 for 6.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I think the Yankees will re-sign Robinson, and he will be lucky to get $148 for 6.

They already offered him 140 million for 7 in spring training and he turned it down. They are said to have raised the offer, but no exact figure was given.

Cano has finished in the top 6 in the MVP voting the last 3 years and will almost certainly do the same this year after hitting .315 with 27 homeruns and 106 rbi's.

I just don't see him letting NY off the hook and giving them a discount after watching so many players get monster paydays. I think the least he will do is 7 years and I bet he will want 200 million.

I don't think the Yankees will want to make the same mistake they have made repeatedly with long term deals to 'older' players, so my guess is, the dodgers may give him what he wants as it seems they are printing money over there. LOL.

 

[steveringo]

Uh... What.... I just saw the Olney article...

The gap between second baseman Robinson Cano and the New York Yankees on a new contract is enormous, with sources telling ESPN's Buster Olney that the soon-to-be free agent is seeking approximately $305 million over 10 years.

I almost peed my pants. Then I read his agents name, Brodie Van Wagenen, and did pee my pants....

And, I don't think the Doddgers will be players. I think he'll end up wth $20-$22m per for 6 or 7. (and that will be too much, IMO).

(he'll be 31 next month)

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

And, I don't think the Doddgers will be players. I think he'll end up wth $20-$22m per for 6 or 7. (and that will be too much, IMO).

(he'll be 31 next month)

I don't think there is a chance he accepts a contract worth less than what NY gave Teixiera per year. That is why I said -- the Yankees made their own bed with the money they threw around to multiple players.

Cano is the only superstar left on their roster, who actually performs like one. I just don't see him taking less money to stay with a sinking ship. That is why I think the Dodgers will be in play. I can actually see him taking a deal in the 20-22 million dollar range from them, as they are a team with tremendous upside right now and pockets as deep as the Yankees.

I agree 110% though -- the 7-8 year deals for players already north of 30 is bad business and they would be paying way too much for him, but that is what it will take to keep him in NY.

Detroit is going to have a decision to make soon on Miguel Cabrera -- imagine the dollar figures he is going to be demanding. It is going to be astronomical. I think his deal runs thru next year and he will be 31 when it ends. The contracts in the MLB are mind blowing right now.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

I don't think there is a chance he accepts a contract worth less than what NY gave Teixiera per year.

You can say that until you're blue in the face, but what if no one makes an offer that size? Is he going to sit out?

Plus, I get the sense that things are just different these days. Big name players don't reach free agency in their primes as often as they used to, and I think most owners/GMs may have finally learned their lesson from all the A-Rods, Pujolses, Teixeiras, Howards, Crawfords, and Hamiltons (and eventually Fielders) of the world. I think the market is going to start correcting itself, if it hasn't already. I don't think it'll ever get to collusion levels, but I think fiscal responsibility is becoming an big thing in front offices throughout the league. We all know the Yankees have demonstrated they're being more responsible. I think the only two loose cannons left are the two LA teams, and I can't imagine Moreno is eager to give out another big contract (unless it's for Mike Trout).

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You can say that until you're blue in the face, but what if no one makes an offer that size? Is he going to sit out?

Plus, I get the sense that things are just different these days. Big name players don't reach free agency in their primes as often as they used to, and I think most owners/GMs may have finally learned their lesson from all the A-Rods, Pujolses, Teixeiras, Howards, Crawfords, and Hamiltons (and eventually Fielders) of the world. I think the market is going to start correcting itself, if it hasn't already. I don't think it'll ever get to collusion levels, but I think fiscal responsibility is becoming an big thing in front offices throughout the league. We all know the Yankees have demonstrated they're being more responsible. I think the only two loose cannons left are the two LA teams, and I can't imagine Moreno is eager to give out another big contract (unless it's for Mike Trout).

i don't see where teams are being fiscally responsible? the only teams fiscally responsible are the same teams who were always that way (Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Oakland and the rest are the bottom feeders).

NY isn't being fiscally responsible -- they are just trying to stop being the team who pads the coffers of the MLB with the luxury tax they pay, because of the absurd personnel moves they have made. I can pretty much guarantee -- if NY isn't willing to give Cano the money he wants -- he will find a team willing to do so.

Personally, IMO, I don't see him giving NY a hometown discount after watching them lavish money on so many players. They said he already turned down 7 years for 140 million in spring training. He then went out and hit .315 with 27 homeruns and 106 rbis. You actually think NY is going to lower the offer now?

 

[steveringo]

Personally, IMO, I don't see him giving NY a hometown discount after watching them lavish money on so many players. They said he already turned down 7 years for 140 million in spring training. He then went out and hit .315 with 27 homeruns and 106 rbis. You actually think NY is going to lower the offer now?

His prediction was $143m/6. That is almost $24m per year. $140/7 is $20m.

NY will probably start at 5 years, then have the 6th and maybe 7th year added in negotiations.

I agree with the 'market-correction'. No one will offer more than $25m a year to someone over 30 years old.....

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

NY will probably start at 5 years, then have the 6th and maybe 7th year added in negotiations.

NY already offered him a 7 year extension in spring training for 20 million per year and he turned it down. So I doubt they are now only going to offer him 5 years, if they have any expectation of keeping him.

 

[$500 Million]

First rule of negotiations: Always ask for more than what you really want.

He's not going to get 10 years, 300MM from the Yankees, and if someone does give him that then God bless him and good luck.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

His prediction was $143m/6. That is almost $24m per year.

I could definitely see that -- that'd pay him more money than Teixiera is getting on a per year basis. I think 24-25 million is spot on for what it will take for the Yankees to sign him.

The wild card is -- if another team enters into the mix with an offer. I think if the Dodgers don't get to the World Series this year -- you may see them join in on the Cano sweepstakes. They seem to have the same type of blank check mentality NY used to have.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

He's not going to get 10 years, 300MM from the Yankees, and if someone does give him that then God bless him and good luck.

I agree -- that is obnoxious. If someone gives him 10 years 300 million. I guess Detroit can kiss Cabrera goodbye because he will be the 1st 400 million dollar player after next year or 2015 or whatever it is. LOL.

These contracts are getting astronomical in size.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Well, your budget never has to be a problem if you plan properly, whether now or later, but we all know that rarely works out in baseball. I just feel that frontloading gives you a higher degree of certainty in the present, and allows you to go out an get another player in the future without creating major budget issues should the contract become an albatross.

But the contract ends up costing you more overall that way.

 

[Sportsguy9695]

great to see how they let Andy and Derek take him out of the game. stuff like that is what makes sports great