:: 2014-2015 Cap Central ::

[awaz]

I agree with this - Joffrey Lupul's a good player but he's not a difference maker - Luca Sbisa has been in and out of the lineup in Anaheim, he wouldn't have made a big difference here - and the two first round picks(one of them I think was Kyle Palmieri) are not bad but not difference makers - I would have made this trade any day of the week - who could have predicted when the Flyers made this move that Chris Pronger would have gotten hi-sticked and it would end his career effectively? Nobody saw that coming, it wasn't as if he had chronic issues(he had some issues off and on but before his career ended a few years ago, he started off that season really good and looked like the Chris Pronger of old again

1. i would take lupul on the flyers current top 6.
2. the picks ended up being emerson etem and john moore, but if the flyers don't make that trade the teams are completely different. they could've been two lottery picks for the flyers, or they could've been the 29th and 30th pick.
3. sbisa, agreed, hasn't made much of an impact

however, you still gave up a top 6 winger and 3 potential difference makers. that's a lot to give up for a single player, regardless of if he plays 4 years for you or 12 years. especially given the lack of depth in the flyers system. if you have a plethora of prospects, then you can think about doing that deal IMO, but the flyers, for as far as i can remember, have never had a plethora of prospects.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

IF a move gives you a cup shot you have to do it. If they would have signed a better goalie at the time they probably win it with Pronger. Life's a risk and if you sit on your hands you have no chance for a home run....but anything more in that deal and I'd agree it's too much for one player.

 

[JBM73]

Ruh Roh. From ESPN Insider:

Brayden Schenn | F | Philadelphia Flyers | 7.6 GVT
The young Flyers forward has not yet reached the level Philadelphia fans had hoped, but still added 20 goals and 21 assists this season. The former fifth overall pick of the Los Angeles Kings was a fixture in Philly's top six, spending most of his ice time with Vincent Lecavalier. He produced 15 of his 20 goals at even strength.
Best fit: Dallas Stars
The Stars could use a second-line scorer to take pressure off stars Tyler Seguin and Jamie Benn. Dallas has a group of solid depth players and budding talent in Russian rookie Valeri Nichushkin. With one more young scorer, they could build a core that would be competitive year after year.
Offer sheet: 5 years, $30 million
Compensation: First-round pick, second-round pick, third-round pick
After doling out another big contract to defenseman Andrew MacDonald, the Flyers would be hard pressed to find the cap space to match a substantial offer. Per CapGeek.com, the Flyers are just $7 million under next season's cap number, with four other RFAs needing new deals and lacking a backup goalie. With the prospect pool pretty bare, Philadelphia could use the picks to re-stock its system.

They're not factoring in Pronger on LTIR, though...

 

[EVille3]

Ruh Roh. From ESPN Insider:

Brayden Schenn | F | Philadelphia Flyers | 7.6 GVT
The young Flyers forward has not yet reached the level Philadelphia fans had hoped, but still added 20 goals and 21 assists this season. The former fifth overall pick of the Los Angeles Kings was a fixture in Philly's top six, spending most of his ice time with Vincent Lecavalier. He produced 15 of his 20 goals at even strength.
Best fit: Dallas Stars
The Stars could use a second-line scorer to take pressure off stars Tyler Seguin and Jamie Benn. Dallas has a group of solid depth players and budding talent in Russian rookie Valeri Nichushkin. With one more young scorer, they could build a core that would be competitive year after year.
Offer sheet: 5 years, $30 million
Compensation: First-round pick, second-round pick, third-round pick
After doling out another big contract to defenseman Andrew MacDonald, the Flyers would be hard pressed to find the cap space to match a substantial offer. Per CapGeek.com, the Flyers are just $7 million under next season's cap number, with four other RFAs needing new deals and lacking a backup goalie. With the prospect pool pretty bare, Philadelphia could use the picks to re-stock its system.

They're not factoring in Pronger on LTIR, though...

Anyone will to give B. Schenn $6 mil/yr at this point is out of their damn minds. Go ahead with that. I'll gladly take the picks...

 

[awaz]

Ruh Roh. From ESPN Insider:

Brayden Schenn | F | Philadelphia Flyers | 7.6 GVT
The young Flyers forward has not yet reached the level Philadelphia fans had hoped, but still added 20 goals and 21 assists this season. The former fifth overall pick of the Los Angeles Kings was a fixture in Philly's top six, spending most of his ice time with Vincent Lecavalier. He produced 15 of his 20 goals at even strength.
Best fit: Dallas Stars
The Stars could use a second-line scorer to take pressure off stars Tyler Seguin and Jamie Benn. Dallas has a group of solid depth players and budding talent in Russian rookie Valeri Nichushkin. With one more young scorer, they could build a core that would be competitive year after year.
Offer sheet: 5 years, $30 million
Compensation: First-round pick, second-round pick, third-round pick
After doling out another big contract to defenseman Andrew MacDonald, the Flyers would be hard pressed to find the cap space to match a substantial offer. Per CapGeek.com, the Flyers are just $7 million under next season's cap number, with four other RFAs needing new deals and lacking a backup goalie. With the prospect pool pretty bare, Philadelphia could use the picks to re-stock its system.

They're not factoring in Pronger on LTIR, though...

Anyone will to give B. Schenn $6 mil/yr at this point is out of their damn minds. Go ahead with that. I'll gladly take the picks...

agreed. if schenn stays with the flyers, he gets 3.5 TOPS.

6 mil for him is just outrageous. ESPN is crazy. the stars only gave seguin 5.75, there's no way in hell they offer brayden schenn 6.

 

[EVille3]

agreed. if schenn stays with the flyers, he gets 3.5 TOPS.

6 mil for him is just outrageous. ESPN is crazy. the stars only gave seguin 5.75, there's no way in hell they offer brayden schenn 6.

I'd like to see the flyers work out a bridge deal like they did with Coots. A 2 year extension worth about $3-3.5 mil/yr. This way, he is still RFA at the end of it...

 

[awaz]

I'd like to see the flyers work out a bridge deal like they did with Coots. A 2 year extension worth about $3-3.5 mil/yr. This way, he is still RFA at the end of it...

, that would be the ideal scenario

 

[Cobiemonster]

agreed. if schenn stays with the flyers, he gets 3.5 TOPS.

6 mil for him is just outrageous. ESPN is crazy. the stars only gave seguin 5.75, there's no way in hell they offer brayden schenn 6.

I don't know why people even go to ESPN for anything hockey related - just stupid

And if the Stars decided to do that you take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks - without a doubt

 

[FlyerFinFan]

Take the picks Laughton will be up next year anyway...although I'd like to have both players in the fold next year as they'll be even better!

 

[lasgop8]

I would like the picks also but who fills in a second line center/wing if we do go that direction?

 

[Cobiemonster]

I would like the picks also but who fills in a second line center/wing if we do go that direction?

Sign someone like Mikhail Grabovski

 

[awaz]

this would be my goal for the roster next year.


CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster

FORWARDS
Mason Raymond ($2.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Jason Akeson ($1.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Michael Raffl ($1.100m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($4.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) /

GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.900m)

BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)

LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)

RETAINED SALARIES (2.53% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.800m—40.00%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,663,333; BONUSES: $212,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,436,667

 

[awaz]

if you can move hartnell for either cap space, or more of a playmaking forward, that would be idea. but i dont think the flyers will get as much value in return for hartnell, as they have in just keeping hartnell.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

if you can move hartnell for either cap space, or more of a playmaking forward, that would be idea. but i dont think the flyers will get as much value in return for hartnell, as they have in just keeping hartnell.

I think Hartnall is a good deal for the Flyers, contract is a bit long but his per year salary is reasonable.

 

[Cobiemonster]

this would be my goal for the roster next year.


CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster

FORWARDS
Mason Raymond ($2.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Jason Akeson ($1.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Michael Raffl ($1.100m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($4.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) /

GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.900m)

BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)

LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)

RETAINED SALARIES (2.53% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.800m—40.00%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,663,333; BONUSES: $212,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,436,667

I would try to move one of those defensemen to get a little more cap space so that Gus can be in the top six - Gus has to be in the top six

And I don't know if I'd want Thomas Greiss as a backup, wonder how much Alex Stalock would get if the Sharks don't keep him

 

[Cobiemonster]

I think Hartnall is a good deal for the Flyers, contract is a bit long but his per year salary is reasonable.

He had 20-32-52 this season, if he's somewhere around 25-30-55 next season then that's better - he needs to score more than 20 goals next season - he's not scoring 37 again and probably won't score 30 again either so if he gets 25 goals next season that will make a difference

 

[awaz]

I would try to move one of those defensemen to get a little more cap space so that Gus can be in the top six - Gus has to be in the top six

And I don't know if I'd want Thomas Greiss as a backup, wonder how much Alex Stalock would get if the Sharks don't keep him

See I just haven't seen enough from Gus to think he deserves a top 6 spot. The 6 listed are better than he is. It's a better balance and better players overall. He's had a few good games, but he's also had some dreadful ones.

Really I don't care too much who the backup is. I do think they need someone who has played as a starter for a while, due to injury or because of a goalie slump, doesn't matter. Stalock would be great, I just think the sharks resign him.

 

[flyersfan4706]

I do find it a bit strange that Schenn hasn't been resigned yet. Giroux, JVR, and Couturier all got their deals well in advance. Laughton in the mix does make things interesting

 

[Cobiemonster]

See I just haven't seen enough from Gus to think he deserves a top 6 spot. The 6 listed are better than he is. It's a better balance and better players overall. He's had a few good games, but he's also had some dreadful ones.

Really I don't care too much who the backup is. I do think they need someone who has played as a starter for a while, due to injury or because of a goalie slump, doesn't matter. Stalock would be great, I just think the sharks resign him.

Gus hasn't gotten the full opportunity though, you can't really say he doesn't deserve it when he hasn't gotten the chance - guys like Nick Grossmann and Luke Schenn had their struggles during the season and they still didn't put Gus in - when Gus played he played well - his plus minus was as good as anyone else on the team and he played way less games(maybe it goes up or down, but it tells me when he did play he played well) - and he would be the type of guy that you need on the blueline that can give you more mobility and speed - he hasn't gotten a full opportunity and needs it - and you can't have all of those high priced d-men either, someone needs to be moved at some point - I think you could move Braydon Coburn, get good value in return and let Gus take over, because he does have some similarities as far as speed, mobility and maybe a little better offensive ability - need to give him a chance at some point, just like the forwards have been given a chance - can't give someone a chance and then not give another player a chance

The backup does matter because if you get in the playoffs, you need someone who can step in and not be the reason why the team loses - you need a goalie the team has more confidence in - the team says they have confidence in Ray Emery but it doesn't show on the ice, they play more timid with him in net and he's simply not as good as Steve Mason

 

[Cobiemonster]

I do find it a bit strange that Schenn hasn't been resigned yet. Giroux, JVR, and Couturier all got their deals well in advance. Laughton in the mix does make things interesting

They want to see what the market is, if someone wants to give him a big deal as an RFA, the Flyers can take the picks - if they find a trade that can really improve their team with him, then they can do it - they don't want to sign him to a deal and then it won't be as movable - have to see the market - and it's not as certain with him as the other guys - he's a guy that COULD turn out to be a stud and he's still young, but he hasn't shown enough yet to prove that - we'll see