2013 MN Twins

[mr.hockey4242]

Pitching really going down the tubes now and we just can't get the clutch hits. I know we were over our heads record wise but its frusterating because we were lingering at .500 while not playing very well.

I held out hope some guys would figure it out but it's not happening. Willingham, Doumit, Parmelee, Hicks, Dozier it's a toss up for who sucks the most.

 

[MISKO]

should have just called the game instead of the rain delay

 

[MISKO]

for brief moment I thought and hoped that we were going to get a rally going in the 9th .. but alas it didnt happen

 

[HammerDown]

 

[powerchord86]

Hey PC

I hope your right! This team sure looks like it fell into one of its funks. I hope its short lived.
What the heck happened to Willingham? He sucks this year.

I have been wondering the same. Hopefully it's just a slow start. The Twins need his big bat.

 

[powerchord86]

for brief moment I thought and hoped that we were going to get a rally going in the 9th .. but alas it didnt happen

I also fell victim to the false hope..

 

[jrs21]

One hit off Lackey ain't gonna get it done. The club can play .500 ball for a while but the last few years it seems we go through 3 or 4 of these 5,6,7 game losing streaks and we're done.

Hey Nosferatu,
Welcome to the Twins board!
Yeah, Lackey sure had our number yesterday.
You are right about the streaks; we don't have the starting pitching to either stop the long losing streaks, or conversly get on a 5,6,7 game winning streak to balance them out.

Pitching really going down the tubes now and we just can't get the clutch hits. I know we were over our heads record wise but its frusterating because we were lingering at .500 while not playing very well.

I held out hope some guys would figure it out but it's not happening. Willingham, Doumit, Parmelee, Hicks, Dozier it's a toss up for who sucks the most.

Yep too many guys not pulling their weight right now, Plouffe is not far ahead of these guys either. So that's 6 regular position guys that are really not producing much. Match that with hit or miss (mostly miss) starting pitching and our record truely reflects how good the Twins are. We may even be fortunate to even be close to .500.

 

[jrs21]

should have just called the game instead of the rain delay

Yeah, but they were so confused about when they were gonna play the movie The Sandlot that they couldn't even begin to also consider what to do with the actual baseball game. Gotta have priorities ya know!

 

[buckamania]

Hey 42

Your points are well made, and have some validity. I don't totally agree though in '06. In that 3 game sweep our pitchers were pretty good, but our bats went mostly silent. The manager sure doesn't do the hitting. He sent his best pitchers out there, and went with the same line-up that got them to that point. I'm not real sure what more he could have done other than mental prep., and if these guys are pros shouldn't most of the mental prep. fall on them anyways?
Regardless, I give Gardy 50-50 odds of returning next season anyway. So what are your guys' thoughts on suitable replacements?
Its interesting to see Stainbach in the dugout this year, is that any indication? I'd also like to see Molitor in the discussion, he's one of my all-time favorites.

jrs - After bouncing around in the Gulf of Mexico down between Key West and Cuba for several days catching some very nice fish, I'm finally recovering enough to read a few posts and even write one.

If we are to blame Gardy for the playoff failures then we should tar & feather Bud Grant for his inability to win the S-Bowl! Braves fans should lynch Bobby Cox for his playoff record with arguably the best pitching staff ever assembled. That hasn't happened yet.

On the other hand, the World should kneel at the feet of Joe Girardi, Joe Torre, Ralph Houk, Casey Stengle, etc., etc., for winning all those World Series. Quite the contrary, the World outside N.Y. simply shrugs its shoulders and says, "So what? You have the best players every year, an endless supply of proven talent that you can buy from other teams as you need whenever you feel. You're supposed to win!!!"

The Twins teams that made the playoffs under Gardy were never rated higher than 6th in the AL going into the playoffs and it was usually the Yankees that they had to face first. The Twins lost because they were not championship calibre, plain and simple. Gardy never had an at-bat or pitched an inning in those games. He wrote the lineup and watched those teams wilt along with the other weak-teams that made the playoffs that no one remembers. He started the best players he had and "they" failed...not him.

Did we ever have a shortstop to match Jeter? Did we have relief pitcher to match Riviera. Did we have a catcher to match Posada (before you answer that compare his playoff #'s with Joes'.) The Yankees parade out powerhouse teams every year because they have unlimited money and an ownership with an unlimited will to win.

I know that you understand this.

 

[jrs21]

Well another loss last night 5-1, Correia didn't look very good either.
Is bad pitching contagious? Hopefully our starters don't go sit in the bullpen!
Tonight:
MIN: M Pelfrey
(3-4, 6.57)

ATL: T Hudson
(4-3, 5.12)

It looks like T-hud hasn't been doing all that well this year either.
Come on Twins, Time to turn this around. Lets put some runs on the board!

 

[mr.hockey4242]

jrs - After bouncing around in the Gulf of Mexico down between Key West and Cuba for several days catching some very nice fish, I'm finally recovering enough to read a few posts and even write one.

If we are to blame Gardy for the playoff failures then we should tar & feather Bud Grant for his inability to win the S-Bowl! Braves fans should lynch Bobby Cox for his playoff record with arguably the best pitching staff ever assembled. That hasn't happened yet.

On the other hand, the World should kneel at the feet of Joe Girardi, Joe Torre, Ralph Houk, Casey Stengle, etc., etc., for winning all those World Series. Quite the contrary, the World outside N.Y. simply shrugs its shoulders and says, "So what? You have the best players every year, an endless supply of proven talent that you can buy from other teams as you need whenever you feel. You're supposed to win!!!"

The Twins teams that made the playoffs under Gardy were never rated higher than 6th in the AL going into the playoffs and it was usually the Yankees that they had to face first. The Twins lost because they were not championship calibre, plain and simple. Gardy never had an at-bat or pitched an inning in those games. He wrote the lineup and watched those teams wilt along with the other weak-teams that made the playoffs that no one remembers. He started the best players he had and "they" failed...not him.

Did we ever have a shortstop to match Jeter? Did we have relief pitcher to match Riviera. Did we have a catcher to match Posada (before you answer that compare his playoff #'s with Joes'.) The Yankees parade out powerhouse teams every year because they have unlimited money and an ownership with an unlimited will to win.

I know that you understand this.

What you are not understand is Gardy has LOST every year. 2002 he got out of 1st round then got homefield and done in 5 games. Players have changed...Gardy has remained. We havn't won. You do realize in sports coaches are usually looked at for how much they win, right?

So it's ok to talk about Posada's playoff numbers but not Gardy's lack of playoff success?

Terry Francona isn't a good manager because he doesn't take an AB? Phil Jackson because he didn't dribble the ball?

Cmon dude. Gardy's lack of in game managing has been apparent for years.

Joe Maddon? Not good because he doesn't pitch? No, hes good because he pushes all the right buttons.

Other teams have no problems taking down the Yankees in the playoffs. Tigers love to do it. White Sox get to the playoffs and end up with the parade.

 

[buckamania]

What you are not understand is Gardy has LOST every year. 2002 he got out of 1st round then got homefield and done in 5 games. Players have changed...Gardy has remained. We havn't won. You do realize in sports coaches are usually looked at for how much they win, right?

So it's ok to talk about Posada's playoff numbers but not Gardy's lack of playoff success?

Terry Francona isn't a good manager because he doesn't take an AB? Phil Jackson because he didn't dribble the ball?

Cmon dude. Gardy's lack of in game managing has been apparent for years.

Joe Maddon? Not good because he doesn't pitch? No, hes good because he pushes all the right buttons.

Other teams have no problems taking down the Yankees in the playoffs. Tigers love to do it. White Sox get to the playoffs and end up with the parade.

Take a chill-pill, 42. You see lack of game-management every single game and blame Gardy for all the losses. I see over-paid players failing to deliver, always losing the big-one, and getting a free pass while Gardy takes the heat. What you fail to realize, what all the commentators on MLB Network point out, is that the modern game has become a GM's game. The manager makes the lineup with players he had dumped into his lap. Then the press hounds him after the game while the GM sleeps soundly in his feather-bed. Judgment-proof!

The Yankees "players" kicked the Twins tails every year because they were simply better than the Twins players, much better. The Vikings lost every Super Bowl to teams that were not only better that day, but later went on to win multiple Super Bowls. These were/are winning organizations, committed to excellence. The Vikings haven't been back in nearly 40-years.

"See the ball! Be the ball, Danny" You're Danny Noonan...I'm Chevy Chase. (Neither of us probably know a freakin' thing. Ha ha.)

Take you emotion out of the equation. You do not play for the Twins. You can't say "we" when you talk about them. They don't know, or give a hoot about who you are, or me, or any of us. It is a business....that's all! Go to Spring Training and watch these arrogant, spoiled brats, ignore fans looking for just a little recognition, just a hello, or thanks for coming today. This isn't the prep-line at Burger King. These guys don't listen to anyone but their agents.

Gardy will be replaced soon, but if Mr. Ryan continues to sign washed-up pitchers to save money for the owners it'll be the same losing scenario for the new manager. If you don't believe me please refer to Kansas City, a team mired in continual losing, decade after decade, constantly changing mangers, and going no where.

And the Yankees?? Well, lets just say that their current makeshift team covering for injured, aging superstars, will still kick the Twin's arses down the street. Always have, always will.

 

[BigDDude]

Gotta give props to Jessie The Body for this one Twins fans....

It was on this date back in 2002 that Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura approves a financing framework for a $330 million open-air stadium. The bill is the result of a seven-year effort by the Twins to secure help from the state, but the plan has only tepid support from the club because team officials are unsure if they'll be able to find $120 million for a required down payment and get a guarantee from major league baseball that a team will play in Minnesota for at least 30 years.

 

[buckamania]

Gotta give props to Jessie The Body for this one Twins fans....

It was on this date back in 2002 that Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura approves a financing framework for a $330 million open-air stadium. The bill is the result of a seven-year effort by the Twins to secure help from the state, but the plan has only tepid support from the club because team officials are unsure if they'll be able to find $120 million for a required down payment and get a guarantee from major league baseball that a team will play in Minnesota for at least 30 years.

Stick around, Dude! I like your style. Maybe you can private message me or fill us all in about CBS, I never knew about that site. What happened?

Wasn't there another site called the fanatic(??) that just went "tits-up" too?

 

[buckamania]

Well another loss last night 5-1, Correia didn't look very good either.
Is bad pitching contagious? Hopefully our starters don't go sit in the bullpen!
Tonight:
MIN: M Pelfrey
(3-4, 6.57)

ATL: T Hudson
(4-3, 5.12)

It looks like T-hud hasn't been doing all that well this year either.
Come on Twins, Time to turn this around. Lets put some runs on the board!

When asked by his teacher to use the word contagious in a sentence, little Johnny was quick to respond. He said, "Last night Mommy was trying to parallel park the car and Daddy told me it's gonna take the **** ages to do it!"

 

[powerchord86]

Vanimal sent down.

Deduno called up and will start Friday!

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Vanimal sent down.

Deduno called up and will start Friday!

We already knew Deduno was coming up. The question now becomes will another start be up soon? Worely being demoted still leaves us with just 4 guys. Pelfrey, Corriea, Deduno and Diamond.

It really is time to see what Gibson is made of.

 

[jrs21]

Hey there fellas!

Well it looks like our slide continues.

What we do have to look forward to, is some fresh blood in the starting rotation. I am glad to see a proactive approach. Message sent: Get your shit straight, or you're the next to go.
It'll be fun to see Deduno again, see what he has up his sleeve, and it will be great when Gibson joins the team soon.
Lets get this thing turned around!

 

[buckamania]

We already knew Deduno was coming up. The question now becomes will another start be up soon? Worely being demoted still leaves us with just 4 guys. Pelfrey, Corriea, Deduno and Diamond.

It really is time to see what Gibson is made of.

And Gardy is supposed to win with that bunch??? If you can prove to me that he personally scouted and signed them I'll get the rope and lynch him for you. If not....well, you better go back to Mgmt. 1001 and see who actually controls the corporation/team and blame him for this mess we call the Twins...."iffff"..... you must blame someone. Trouble is, the owners and their toady, Mr. Ryan, don't care what we fans think. It's strictly a business and if it's making a lot of money being in last place why spend tons more for a marginal gain?

Don't believe me? Research the Marlins, there you will see how the game is really approached by most owners. The Marlins won 2-World Series in their first 10-yrs in MLB and nearly went broke both times. Gutted both teams as a result. Whined for a new stadium, got it from the City of Miami, then promptly gutted the team again and now reside firmly in last place still getting the same crowds they did when they won. Sound familiar?? If not, check out Target Field.

The truth is hard to accept, 42, I understand that, believe me. I just happen to love Baseball so much that I watch regardless if the Twins win or lose but I don't let it control me. If the Twins lose, oh well!! If they win, yippee!! I'm a businessman first & foremost. I get what they're up to in those cavernous offices in Downtown Mpls. I don't like it, but I get it and I know that "it is what it is." They're telling us: Take it or leave it. I'll take it. It's better than nothing.

 

[jrs21]

What you are not understand is Gardy has LOST every year. 2002 he got out of 1st round then got homefield and done in 5 games. Players have changed...Gardy has remained. We havn't won. You do realize in sports coaches are usually looked at for how much they win, right?

So it's ok to talk about Posada's playoff numbers but not Gardy's lack of playoff success?

Terry Francona isn't a good manager because he doesn't take an AB? Phil Jackson because he didn't dribble the ball?

Cmon dude. Gardy's lack of in game managing has been apparent for years.

Joe Maddon? Not good because he doesn't pitch? No, hes good because he pushes all the right buttons.

Other teams have no problems taking down the Yankees in the playoffs. Tigers love to do it. White Sox get to the playoffs and end up with the parade.

Hey 42
I'm thinking we could bump bellies about this for many posts to come, but probably neither of us would change our thinking. I have been down this same path, had these exact same "disagreements", with the exact same posts made with others, as I am sure you have as well. Frankly, I am wore out with the topic. I propose this: we simply agree to disagree on the subject and we move on to other stuff. Whaduyasay?