2013-2014 Offseason Speculation

[Cbrower91]

Holy crap! Sharks made a trade with the Oilers!






















Lee Moffie for Kyle Bigos...

who the fuck are these two? Cast offs from sesame street?

 

[MrFlyingV]

So basically Clowe gets 1.61 million per goal scored if he keeps up last years pace. Ok prorated for a full season, 800K per goal. Good luck New Jersey with that - lol.

So at that rate is Ovi worth 50 mil per?

 

[Cmon_WTF]

who the fuck are these two? Cast offs from sesame street?

Both are college players that need to be signed by Aug 15th or they become UFAs. Neither were going to be signed by their former clubs. Bigos is a California kid who's a big physical dman and may get a minor league contract to play in San Francisco or Worcester.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Sharks continue to bring back former players. They've signed Rob Davison to a one year contract.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Jagr's agent says three teams are interested in signing him. Rumors had the Sharks interested in him each of the last two off seasons. Wonder if they are again.

 

[Cbrower91]

Sharks continue to bring back former players. They've signed Rob Davison to a one year contract.

Wasnt he playing in the DEL or some shit why bring him back lol, mentor down in the AHL?

 

[bdave]

Who says he doesn't??? Maybe Edmonton wouldn't like that deal. Wilson has done very well when it comes to trades.

Not well enough, he used to gamble quite a bit always picking up big name players that were just not the right players for this team. He doesn't understand how to fill the holes to win a stanley cup. Now he gets worse and worse when it comes to drafting, and free agency... what's free agency anymore to the sharks? I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on Wilson doing a good job on trades. Had he done a good job on trades he'd find that right group of guys to make the finals or win a cup.

 

[23sharks]

Not well enough, he used to gamble quite a bit always picking up big name players that were just not the right players for this team. He doesn't understand how to fill the holes to win a stanley cup. Now he gets worse and worse when it comes to drafting, and free agency... what's free agency anymore to the sharks? I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on Wilson doing a good job on trades. Had he done a good job on trades he'd find that right group of guys to make the finals or win a cup.

The Sharks have never been a player in free agency. That's been the philosophy of the front office for many years, and it comes from the owners.
I'm frustrated they have never won the Cup too, but it doesn't all fall on Wilson. It's so easy to try to put it all on him. To make a trade, it takes 2 GM's....and you aren't always going to fleece teams, like he did to get Thornton.

 

[sjrules99]

The Sharks have never been a player in free agency. That's been the philosophy of the front office for many years, and it comes from the owners.
I'm frustrated they have never won the Cup too, but it doesn't all fall on Wilson. It's so easy to try to put it all on him. To make a trade, it takes 2 GM's....and you aren't always going to fleece teams, like he did to get Thornton.

Of course, its all on wilson. This team is the way it is 99% because of him (I guess you have to figure that he's only had 10 years, so what he inherited still matters a bit). Dougie had a fee big trades that were turned out to be pretty solid (jumbo, boyle) and a few that didnt (heater, several of the rental players like guerin, moen/husky, etc, ginner deal) and a few that are TBD (burns, kennedy).

What boils my blood is how incredibly lucky and successful his drafting has been in the late rounds and his inability to turn that into big success. Since 2001, the sharks have been one of the best late round teams. In the 4th round or later, they got: Clowe, Erhoff, pavelski, mitchell, demers, braun, Bonino, Wingels, and few other lesser guys. That kind of haul in the very late rounds usually allows a GM to build a championship team. However, dougie has failed to do that with a combination of poorly conceived trades of 1st rounders for rentals (Campbell, Guerin) and another 2 1st rounders for burns. While these trades sure seemed to give the sharks the players needed to make the big move, they robbed the team of 4 very likely future NHLers on Entry Level super cap friendly deals.

If dougie had kept more of those first rounders and done a solid job with them, then the sharks would be stacked with young talent to compliment the vets and would likely have had the cap space available to add a key UFA and ensure the depth needed to win. Instead, dougie has traded the entire future for the chance to win with the big two/three. It didnt work because as good as jumbo and patty are, they arent in the malkin-crosby, toews-kane, datsyuk-zetterberg level and cannot singlehandedly carry a team to a cup. As such, the lack of depth has bitten SJ and the window is basically closed.

A better GM would have been able to strategically leverage all the quality late picks by keeping the 1st rounders and building a very young,deep group of prospects and young studs and then skillfully added key UFA's to win the cup. If the sharks had kept all those picks, they would likely have 3 or 4 sub-25 year old top 6 forwards and 2-3 sub 25 year old top 4 D all signed at 3M each or less (see cooch). That would give a huge amount of space to add the necessary pieces on the UFA market to build a true contending team that can battle for years and years.

 

[Cbrower91]

Of course, its all on wilson. This team is the way it is 99% because of him (I guess you have to figure that he's only had 10 years, so what he inherited still matters a bit). Dougie had a fee big trades that were turned out to be pretty solid (jumbo, boyle) and a few that didnt (heater, several of the rental players like guerin, moen/husky, etc, ginner deal) and a few that are TBD (burns, kennedy).

What boils my blood is how incredibly lucky and successful his drafting has been in the late rounds and his inability to turn that into big success. Since 2001, the sharks have been one of the best late round teams. In the 4th round or later, they got: Clowe, Erhoff, pavelski, mitchell, demers, braun, Bonino, Wingels, and few other lesser guys. That kind of haul in the very late rounds usually allows a GM to build a championship team. However, dougie has failed to do that with a combination of poorly conceived trades of 1st rounders for rentals (Campbell, Guerin) and another 2 1st rounders for burns. While these trades sure seemed to give the sharks the players needed to make the big move, they robbed the team of 4 very likely future NHLers on Entry Level super cap friendly deals.

If dougie had kept more of those first rounders and done a solid job with them, then the sharks would be stacked with young talent to compliment the vets and would likely have had the cap space available to add a key UFA and ensure the depth needed to win. Instead, dougie has traded the entire future for the chance to win with the big two/three. It didnt work because as good as jumbo and patty are, they arent in the malkin-crosby, toews-kane, datsyuk-zetterberg level and cannot singlehandedly carry a team to a cup. As such, the lack of depth has bitten SJ and the window is basically closed.

A better GM would have been able to strategically leverage all the quality late picks by keeping the 1st rounders and building a very young,deep group of prospects and young studs and then skillfully added key UFA's to win the cup. If the sharks had kept all those picks, they would likely have 3 or 4 sub-25 year old top 6 forwards and 2-3 sub 25 year old top 4 D all signed at 3M each or less (see cooch). That would give a huge amount of space to add the necessary pieces on the UFA market to build a true contending team that can battle for years and years.

Lets see Malkin and Crosby didnt carry the team this year nor did Zetterberg or Datsyuk, the latter really suffered without Lidstrom. Toews and Kane would be shit without Keith and Seabrook

 

[sjrules99]

Lets see Malkin and Crosby didnt carry the team this year nor did Zetterberg or Datsyuk, the latter really suffered without Lidstrom. Toews and Kane would be shit without Keith and Seabrook

yes, Lidstrom was huge. that said, dats-zetts did largely carry that team. Of course, lidstrom, rafalski, kronwall were amazing but datsyuk and zetter in their primes were dominant. Keith and seabrook are amazing, too, yes. But, toews and kane are big time players. The sharks have Boyle, and had come pretty stellar D years like the boyle-Blake-ehrhoff-pickles combo that was 4 of the top 10 scorers league wide for a while that year. However, the big two in SJ are good, but not the kind of guys who can consistently carry a team. They need 3 lines deep to win, not like Ottawa with the Pizza line or Anaheim with getzlaf and perry leading the way.

Jumbo-patty-pavs was a great core to build around, but Dougie's decision to "go for it" by dealing all the high picks and prospects for rentals (1 year of burns' contract, and deadline pickups of campbell and Guerin as well as multiple 2nd rounders for dominic moore, rivet, Ian white, etc), left the sharks with very very few good value players to fill out the 2nd and 3rd lines and D to compliment the core. The temptation to add those kind of players for picks is something I fully understand and had it worked out, it would have been brilliant, but it didnt and now they are having to pay the piper. I just wonder what would have been if dougie had chosen to keep the picks, stack the farm, and add via smart UFA deals much like Stalberg's this year.

Easier said than done perhaps and Dougie has kept the sharks in the PO's for 9 straight years, which is pretty amazing. However, I think the only way to eccplise that conference finals barrier is to do it through the draft and clever strategic UFA signings, rather than through a series of rentals or trades for big names that cost the farm.

 

[Cbrower91]

Fucking Seguin lol goes on twitter after getting traded allegedly saying "only steers and queers are from texas and i aint no cow" lol man that kid is a mess

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Fucking Seguin lol goes on twitter after getting traded allegedly saying "only steers and queers are from texas and i aint no cow" lol man that kid is a mess

He's claiming his twitter account was hacked.

 

[Cbrower91]

He's claiming his twitter account was hacked.

By his drunk alter ego

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Stalock's contract is official. One year two-way with a $625k cap hit.

 

[Cbrower91]

Stalock's contract is official. One year two-way with a $625k cap hit.

That could end up being a steal

 

[MrChangoT97]

.....still waiting on the LW signing.

Anymore rumors about Gomez?

 

[SJVP408]

Nice to see Dominic Moore get back into the game, signing with the Rangers.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

.....still waiting on the LW signing.

Anymore rumors about Gomez?

Haven't seen anything on Gomez. With Havlat out the Sharks need to fill one of two spots. A LW to play with Thornton and Burns or a RW to play with Marleau and Couture. Hertl will probably fill one of those roles.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Strickland saying the Sharks are showing interest in Gerbe.