2012 season thread

[scotsman1948]

Wonder if the Rangers would make offer on Justin Upton

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

They have interest....but dont really want to part with Olt or Profar to make the deal for him.

 

[Hambombs]

Wonder if the Rangers would make offer on Justin Upton

Only time will tell!

 

[scotsman1948]

They have interest....but dont really want to part with Olt or Profar to make the deal for him.

If they do anything as far as Upton or SP they will lose one of them

 

[jta4437]

I'm in the camp that says let the troops rally and make a run as is

Only thing I would do is maybe look for a better bench bat than Snyder, but thats about it

As it is, with the system the way it is, we are poised to compete at a high level for years to come (including this year, no less)

You start thinning out the system now then it becomes harder to sustain success

 

[romeo212000]

I'd be happy with a solid bench bat.

 

[jta4437]

I'm in the camp that says let the troops rally and make a run as is

Only thing I would do is maybe look for a better bench bat than Snyder, but thats about it

As it is, with the system the way it is, we are poised to compete at a high level for years to come (including this year, no less)

You start thinning out the system now then it becomes harder to sustain success

I'd do something like Olt and Grimm for Upton, I'm just not as sold on Olt as some others are

 

[Windingmywatch]

I'm in the camp that says let the troops rally and make a run as is

Only thing I would do is maybe look for a better bench bat than Snyder, but thats about it

As it is, with the system the way it is, we are poised to compete at a high level for years to come (including this year, no less)

You start thinning out the system now then it becomes harder to sustain success

I'd like TEX to make a deal to bring in a true #1 catcher. Take the pressure off Napoli to play 1b and DH and be the second catcher. That's the position he was in last year and it translated to his offense. This year as the starting catcher for whatever reason has hindered his offensive breakout.

Last year YT had an average offensive season ... down from his career high ... but now in 2012 his offensive performance has not been major league qualifying. Next season he's not going to find a job in MLB ... so TEX ought to help him get a jump on the job market and let him start his new job search now.

YT is not contributing to the drive to the post season. TEX makes a deal for a #1 catcher before the deadline. Conversation with PHL is not about Hamels ... it is about Carlos Ruiz.

 

[romeo212000]

I'd be awfully concerned about bringing a catcher in to be our #1 catcher midway through the season who knows nothing about our pitchers, or AL hitters. Sorry winding. I believe that's just wishful thinking on your part.

 

[Windingmywatch]

I'd be awfully concerned about bringing a catcher in to be our #1 catcher midway through the season who knows nothing about our pitchers, or AL hitters. Sorry winding. I believe that's just wishful thinking on your part.

You mean like when TEX traded for Benjie Molina from SF back in 2010? Before their first trip to the ALCS ... and before their first trip to the WS? Sure disrupted things him not knowing TEX pitchers and AL hitters.

 

[scotsman1948]

I'd like TEX to make a deal to bring in a true #1 catcher. Take the pressure off Napoli to play 1b and DH and be the second catcher. That's the position he was in last year and it translated to his offense. This year as the starting catcher for whatever reason has hindered his offensive breakout.

Last year YT had an average offensive season ... down from his career high ... but now in 2012 his offensive performance has not been major league qualifying. Next season he's not going to find a job in MLB ... so TEX ought to help him get a jump on the job market and let him start his new job search now.

YT is not contributing to the drive to the post season. TEX makes a deal for a #1 catcher before the deadline. Conversation with PHL is not about Hamels ... it is about Carlos Ruiz.

Which team is going to trade a #1 catcher?

 

[Windingmywatch]

Which team is going to trade a #1 catcher?

The one that is rebuilding in 2013 and who will lose him after the 2013 season to FA.

 

[scotsman1948]

The one that is rebuilding in 2013 and who will lose him after the 2013 season to FA.

and again i ask: what team is that? and which catcher from this list?

Koyie Hill (34)
Chris Iannetta (30) - $5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Russell Martin (30)
Jeff Mathis (30)
Brian McCann (29) - $12MM club option with a $500K buyout
Miguel Montero (29)
Mike Napoli (31)
Wil Nieves (35)
Miguel Olivo (34) - $3MM club option with a $750K buyout
Ronny Paulino (31)
A.J. Pierzynski (36)
Humberto Quintero (33)
David Ross (36)
Carlos Ruiz (34) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Yorvit Torrealba (34)

 

[Windingmywatch]

and again i ask: what team is that? and which catcher from this list?

Carlos Ruiz (34) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout. He's not a part of PHL's future at that age and his excellent 2012 (.352/413/.586/.999) and trade potential is wasted with PHL post season chances slim.

 

[scotsman1948]

and again i ask: what team is that? and which catcher from this list?

Carlos Ruiz (34) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout. He's not a part of PHL's future at that age and his excellent 2012 (.352/413/.586/.999) and trade potential is wasted with PHL post season chances slim.

Amaro seems to be high on keeping Ruiz as one of his mainstays at least thru next season at the 5M

 

[Windingmywatch]

Amaro seems to be high on keeping Ruiz as one of his mainstays at least thru next season at the 5M

Maybe ... but then at the end of 2013 what does PHL get for him?

 

[scotsman1948]

Maybe ... but then at the end of 2013 what does PHL get for him?

they move on. like teams do every year

 

[Windingmywatch]

they move on. like teams do every year

Okay... maybe they do ... just seems to be a lot to pay for what amounts to a one year deal for a catcher on a rebuilding team when they can get YT cheaper for 2013 and get something more for CR today.

 

[romeo212000]

Okay... maybe they do ... just seems to be a lot to pay for what amounts to a one year deal for a catcher on a rebuilding team when they can get YT cheaper for 2013 and get something more for CR today.

So do you offer then YT and a prospect or two?

 

[Windingmywatch]

So do you offer then YT and a prospect or two?

Sure ... nothing over the top. If he were to stick with PHL through 2013 and then went to the FA market PHL may not get anything for him. Under the new CBA am not sure what he would grade out to be ... but his chance of getting picked up for his 35-yo season will be slim. So getting something for him today along with YT would save money and contribute to the future.

If TEX were making a deal with PHL for Hamels he might be part of the same trade bundle rather than a separate deal.