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Well the original post you were against was when you replied to Raptors post about getting a top 6 forward for Ghost and listed guys you would only take for Ghost and only listed his good years and didn't mention his bad years. It depends on the top 6 forward we would get back in a Ghost trade. Id take Draisaitl and his 8.5 mill any day and also Lindholm and 4.8 mill and im sure there are other top 6 forwards that would make sense in a Ghost trade.

Really, Lindholm? That's about as 'grass is greener' as it gets. This season is the first season he's had more than 50 points and broken even in +/-. He's on his 6th year. That would be a perfect example of selling low and buying high. I'd take my chances with Ghost outscoring Lindholm in the future, not even taking into account the fact that Ghost is a dman. Lindholm has broken the 50 point barrier in 17% of his seasons, Ghost in 25%. I like Lindholm, and his contract is great, I'd love to have him on the Flyers. But what advantage does he have over Ghost other than he's having a better year this season and he's not a current Flyer? I'll pass on a Ghost/Lindholm deal.

Draisaitl can join my list.
 

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Ghost's biggest issue is he needs to bulk up some. He has all the skills in the world but he's just to light in the ass, funny mobody points this out to him.

Not everyone has to be big. Ghost (5-11, 180) is a good player because he's fast, extremely agile, and has great puck skills. If he bulks up, does that reduce his speed/agility? Does that added bulk make up for any loss in speed/agility?

It's all ifs and buts, nobody really knows what would happen if he bulked up. But sometimes it's OK for players to be small, shifty guys that bring a lot of dynamic offense. Overcome their shortcomings (size) in other ways. Limit defensive zone draws. Don't put him out against top offensive players. No PK time. If you deploy small, offensive guys the right way, they bring you offense and you limit how much their lack of size hurts you.

Do you think the Hawks are asking Patrick Kane (5-10, 177) to bulk up?
 

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Really, Lindholm? That's about as 'grass is greener' as it gets. This season is the first season he's had more than 50 points and broken even in +/-. He's on his 6th year. That would be a perfect example of selling low and buying high. I'd take my chances with Ghost outscoring Lindholm in the future, not even taking into account the fact that Ghost is a dman. Lindholm has broken the 50 point barrier in 17% of his seasons, Ghost in 25%. I like Lindholm, and his contract is great, I'd love to have him on the Flyers. But what advantage does he have over Ghost other than he's having a better year this season and he's not a current Flyer? I'll pass on a Ghost/Lindholm deal.

Draisaitl can join my list.
Lindholm has played for a scrub team his whole career and now is on an offense that is on par with our offense and is flourishing and he is also younger. He has been in the league since hes 18 and right now is he is hitting his peak.

This season Ghost 6 goals 28 points at 25 years old Lindholm 26 goals 72 points plus 26 and only 24 years old.

I am also sure just like Draisaitl being left off the list there are others who should be on the list
 

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Not everyone has to be big. Ghost (5-11, 180) is a good player because he's fast, extremely agile, and has great puck skills. If he bulks up, does that reduce his speed/agility? Does that added bulk make up for any loss in speed/agility?

It's all ifs and buts, nobody really knows what would happen if he bulked up. But sometimes it's OK for players to be small, shifty guys that bring a lot of dynamic offense. Overcome their shortcomings (size) in other ways. Limit defensive zone draws. Don't put him out against top offensive players. No PK time. If you deploy small, offensive guys the right way, they bring you offense and you limit how much their lack of size hurts you.

Do you think the Hawks are asking Patrick Kane (5-10, 177) to bulk up?
You cant compare a Kane a center to Ghost a defenseman in people wanting him to bulk up. I think Pitt showed us in last years playoffs what happens to small defenseman after they chip and chased and banged our defenseman almost every play causing turnover after turnover.
 

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Not everyone has to be big. Ghost (5-11, 180) is a good player because he's fast, extremely agile, and has great puck skills. If he bulks up, does that reduce his speed/agility? Does that added bulk make up for any loss in speed/agility?

It's all ifs and buts, nobody really knows what would happen if he bulked up. But sometimes it's OK for players to be small, shifty guys that bring a lot of dynamic offense. Overcome their shortcomings (size) in other ways. Limit defensive zone draws. Don't put him out against top offensive players. No PK time. If you deploy small, offensive guys the right way, they bring you offense and you limit how much their lack of size hurts you.

Do you think the Hawks are asking Patrick Kane (5-10, 177) to bulk up?
Patrick Kane isn't a defenseman and isn't being totally pushed around in front of the net, or getting pushed off the puck in the corners. Here's one for you, both Tyson Barrie and MacKinnon have added size and it hasn't seemed to slow them down.bulk/size doesn't always mean slower.
 

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Lindholm has played for a scrub team his whole career and now is on an offense that is on par with our offense and is flourishing and he is also younger. He has been in the league since hes 18 and right now is he is hitting his peak.

This season Ghost 6 goals 28 points at 25 years old Lindholm 26 goals 72 points plus 26 and only 24 years old.

I am also sure just like Draisaitl being left off the list there are others who should be on the list

So I've been trying to tell you this for a while now, but the Flyers have been a scrub team since Ghost got here too. They have some really good / elite players like Giroux, Voracek, and Couturier that have dragged them much further than they should've gone.

Lindholm is hitting his peak 6 years in to his career, if logic holds, Ghost hasn't hit his peak but still averages more points per game than Lindholm does for his career. And he's a defenseman.

Again, looking at one season is how you sell low and buy high. Do you think the Minnesota Wild look back fondly on trading Brent Burns for Devin Setoguchi (+ 1st round, + Charlie Coyle)? Hint: Minnesota Wild: Franchise 5 Worst Trades of All-Time

There are probably others that should be on the list, but Draisaitl at least compares in terms of talent, age, and contract, with what I would want in return for Ghost. My main reason for making that post was so that we didn't get people throwing out garbage value as a return for a 65 point potential dman on a 4.5M contract.
 

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So I've been trying to tell you this for a while now, but the Flyers have been a scrub team since Ghost got here too. They have some really good / elite players like Giroux, Voracek, and Couturier that have dragged them much further than they should've gone.

Lindholm is hitting his peak 6 years in to his career, if logic holds, Ghost hasn't hit his peak but still averages more points per game than Lindholm does for his career. And he's a defenseman.

Again, looking at one season is how you sell low and buy high. Do you think the Minnesota Wild look back fondly on trading Brent Burns for Devin Setoguchi (+ 1st round, + Charlie Coyle)? Hint: Minnesota Wild: Franchise 5 Worst Trades of All-Time

There are probably others that should be on the list, but Draisaitl at least compares in terms of talent, age, and contract, with what I would want in return for Ghost. My main reason for making that post was so that we didn't get people throwing out garbage value as a return for a 65 point potential dman on a 4.5M contract.
Lindholm career is very similiar to Couts. If a team traded their "Ghost" for Couts three years ago would they be disappointed?
 

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Patrick Kane isn't a defenseman and isn't being totally pushed around in front of the net, or getting pushed off the puck in the corners. Here's one for you, both Tyson Barrie and MacKinnon have added size and it hasn't seemed to slow them down.bulk/size doesn't always mean slower.

You know what's better than bulking up and holding your own in front of your net or battling for pucks in your own corners? Playing offense instead. Ghost helps you do that. NHL hits leader Robert Hagg, does not.

And I even mentioned at the top of that post, maybe bulking up doesn't impact him. But maybe it does. Neither of us can know that.
 
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Lindholm career is very similiar to Couts. If a team traded their "Ghost" for Couts three years ago would they be disappointed?

Depends, does Ghost turn out to be Brent Burns?

(Not to mention Lindholm is missing 6 years of Selke votes)
 

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You know what's better than bulking up and holding your own in front of your net or battling for pucks in your own corners? Playing offense instead. Ghost helps you do that. NHL hits leader Robert Hagg, does not.

And I even mentioned at the top of that post, maybe bulking up doesn't impact him. But maybe it does. Neither of us can know that.

I want Ghost to be the best offensive defenseman he can be. I'm willing to sacrifice his progression on defense to maximize his offense.

As I said before, if I need someone to put out there to clear the porch or win battles in the corners, I make sure Ghost is either not out there in those situatoins (DZ FO, PK) or I pair him with someone who can do those things (Hagg, Morin, Myers, etc).

IMO, maximizing a guy's strengths and playing to them is a better way to build a roster than to try to minimize their weaknesses. He's an offensive dman that can skate and carry the puck for a reason. Just like Robert Hagg hits people for a reason. Trying to force them in to doing a job they clearly don't want to do isn't going to make the same kind of impact as trying to improve their strengths.
 

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You know what's better than bulking up and holding your own in front of your net or battling for pucks in your own corners? Playing offense instead. Ghost helps you do that. NHL hits leader Robert Hagg, does not.

And I even mentioned at the top of that post, maybe bulking up doesn't impact him. But maybe it does. Neither of us can know that.
Yes I agree, offense is important for sure, I'm just saying maybe 10 pounds dosen't hurt. You can bulk up certain parts of your body without sacrificing other aspects. Who knows maybe he figures it out soon one way or the other.
 

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Yes I agree, offense is important for sure, I'm just saying maybe 10 pounds dosen't hurt. You can bulk up certain parts of your body without sacrificing other aspects. Who knows maybe he figures it out soon one way or the other.

For me, if he puts up 60+ points on a consistent basis, he can lose as many front of the net plays and corner battles as he wants :)
 

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Depends, does Ghost turn out to be Brent Burns?

(Not to mention Lindholm is missing 6 years of Selke votes)
Brett Burns 6"5 230 pounds Id be pretty sure in saying Ghost never turns out to be burns
 

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For me, if he puts up 60+ points on a consistent basis, he can lose as many front of the net plays and corner battles as he wants :)
Consistent is certainly not a word id use for Ghost. 60 plus points every year is a bit of a stretch since its only been done by him once in 5 years.
 

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Brett Burns 6"5 230 pounds Id be pretty sure in saying Ghost never turns out to be burns

Ugh. You know what I mean. Burns is just who we were talking about. If Ghost turns in to an elite offensive dman.
 

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Consistent is certainly not a word id use for Ghost. 60 plus points every year is a bit of a stretch since its only been done by him once in 5 years.

Lol. Who's cherry picking stats now? Including a 2 game stint as a year of NHL experience?

Since Lindholm is just coming in to his prime at 6 years in the NHL, we can assume Ghost still has 2 more years to develop in to his prime. We'll see how his consistency is then.
 

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Lol. Who's cherry picking stats now? Including a 2 game stint as a year of NHL experience?

Since Lindholm is just coming in to his prime at 6 years in the NHL, we can assume Ghost still has 2 more years to develop in to his prime. We'll see how his consistency is then.
Bottom line is Ghost is not only expendable for those players on list you provided.
 
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