Fix the NFL playoffs

dtgold88 · Dec 6, 2019

Ricky Roma said:
There really is no logical reason why a shitty division winning 8-8 team gets a home field playoff game over a 12 win type wild card team. Zero.

Sure there is....because when they made the rules they gave top 4 seeds to division winners and hold them up higher than WC teams no matter the records.

Might benefit a team one year, but hurt them another. Could it be changed? Sure, and maybe it will be. Maybe seed all 6 by record.

Ricky Roma · Dec 6, 2019

dtgold88 said:
Sure there is....because when they made the rules they gave top 4 seeds to division winners and hold them up higher than WC teams no matter the records.

Might benefit a team one year, but hurt them another. Could it be changed? Sure, and maybe it will be. Maybe seed all 6 by record.

...which isn't logical. In general, teams with better records deserve more.

dtgold88 · Dec 6, 2019

Ricky Roma said:
...which isn't logical. In general, teams with better records deserve more.

Or teams that win their division deserve more if you put precedence on division championships. what if one team wins more because of a weaker schedule?

That said, my preference is reseed and do it how you prefer, but not illogical the way they set it up.

ATL96Steeler · Dec 6, 2019

Fitbud said:
The Cowboys could potentially go 8-8 and still win the division and host a playoff game.

What is wrong with this playoff system?

I wish they would simply get rid of divisions and let the top teams play each other and the bottom teams play each other.

At the end of the season, the top 6 teams get in the playoffs. None of this division crap where a crap team like the Cowboys get to host a playoff game.

Sounds good.

The NFL for all of it's billions...a handful of teams are what you would call national brands and will draw well. The balance are really regional brands.

So...if you do away with DIV play...take the records from the previous year and put a schedule together based on those results.

Ex...2020...CIN would play the 16 teams with the worst records....IND, DAL, TB, PHI, CLE, CAR, JAX, DEN, LAC, NYJ, DET, AZ, ATL, MIA, WAS, NYG

How do you determine who is at home and away? Next thing...your home fans are coming to see the dregs of the league every week...Won't that hurt your gate? Even your TV ratings would suffer if all the bad teams played each other.

I don't know if that will work.

Where I do think the league can improve the playoffs is alter the DIV winner. The DIV winner should still get the reward of playing in the postseason, but if the WC team has a better record, the WC team should host the game. That way the team that has performed the best is rewarded with the home game....simple.

Deacon · Dec 6, 2019

The problem with simply elevating the teams with better record is no 2 teams play the exact same schedule.

Take the example right in front of us this year. After 3 games dallas was 3-0 but they had played the 3 worst teams in the whole NFL. According to their record they were one of the best teams in the league but that has not held true the rest of the way. Unless we have a schedule where every team plays every other team there is no way to make seeding fair.

How fair has it been for the Pats to have home field throughout the playoff seemingly every year when they play the Jets, fins, bills. They start the season off with 6 wins in their pocket. I'm sure the Pats would not have 6 rings if they had to be the 3 or 4 seed every year.

Dolemite censored · Dec 6, 2019

night said:
100%. I was fine with it when a 7-9 Seattle was hosting New Orleans a few years back.

And at 7-9 they defeated the defending SB Champ Saints.

WizardHawk · Dec 6, 2019

Ricky Roma said:
There really is no logical reason why a shitty division winning 8-8 team gets a home field playoff game over a 12 win type wild card team. Zero.

Sure there is. Win your division. Period.

Fitbud · Dec 6, 2019

dtgold88 said:
And how to accomplish this when you don't know what teams will do BEFORE each season. sure it could turn out one team plays an easier schedule, but we don't know until they actually play the schedule.

FTR, I'd be down with reseeding once we have the 4 division winners and 2 WCs in each conference.

That would be better than what we have now.

Fitbud · Dec 6, 2019

WizardHawk said:
We aren't? Again, it's not possible to completely compare teams from one division to another. The entire goal of the system is to compel very strong division rivalries and find a true division champ. ×8. We do indeed get that.

We don't have enough cross play to always classify the next best.

You get the best from every division and the next two best from each conference. It's as fair as they are going to get.

That the second best team in a conference has to go on the road agaisnt a lesser team just isn't a problem. You didn't win your division and still have a path.

I really don't see the problem here. It's the best system you can make for a football playoff format.

Many have suggested that we keep the divisions but reseed the teams after the regular season. That would at least be more fair than it is now.

NEhomer · Dec 6, 2019

6 division winners plus two wild card teams from each Conference.

....too bad that greed had to fuck with that simple, logical breakdown that used to work splendidly.

night · Dec 6, 2019

Dolemite censored said:
And at 7-9 they defeated the defending SB Champ Saints.

Yep. I believe that was the game Marshawn Lynch was forever remembered as Beastmode afterward. People knew he had a lot of talent when he was with Buffalo but never quite had the opportunity to shine in the spotlight.

Ricky Roma · Dec 6, 2019

dtgold88 said:
Or teams that win their division deserve more if you put precedence on division championships. what if one team wins more because of a weaker schedule?

That said, my preference is reseed and do it how you prefer, but not illogical the way they set it up.

If you're winning a division with an 8-8 record, the rest of your division is trash, and thus, a weak schedule in the first place. That somehow, their out of division opponents make up for that is pretty hard to imagine.

Ricky Roma · Dec 6, 2019

WizardHawk said:
Sure there is. Win your division. Period.

Like I said...that isn't logical.

packerzrule · Dec 6, 2019

NEhomer said:
6 division winners plus two wild card teams from each Conference.

....too bad that greed had to fuck with that simple, logical breakdown that used to work splendidly.

^^^^^^
This.

EOT

WizardHawk · Dec 6, 2019

Ricky Roma said:
Like I said...that isn't logical.

Why not? Your assumption that a division has to be weak for an 8-8 division winner isn't entirely true.

You play the same 14 as everyone else in your division right? 6 are each other. 4 agaisnt another div in your own conf, and 4 from another div in the other conf.

Those 8 are half your season. If you are unlucky enough to go up against two tough divisions everyone in yours will suffer.

Again, there is no parity outside of your division. The schedule parity inside each division is very solid.

There isn't a single problem with a wildcard on a good record going agaisnt a weaker division winner. None. At all.

Win your division and earn HFA or at least a first round bye if you are that good.

WizardHawk · Dec 6, 2019

Fitbud said:
Many have suggested that we keep the divisions but reseed the teams after the regular season. That would at least be more fair than it is now.

How? You are told in the NFL to focus on winning your division. Your schedule is all about that. You want to then punish those that got stuck with tougher roads than others in a ranking after the fact? I'd call that really unfair.

Judge Fudge · Dec 6, 2019

Fitbud said:
Can you say that in English?

Couldn't have said it any better?

Maybe your reading comprehension is off

WizardHawk · Dec 6, 2019

There is zero chance they move to giving wildcard teams home games unless it is agaisnt another wildcard team. And that's the way it should be.

As long as the league controls the schedule and can handcuff some divisions with 8 tougher games than another division in their conference, they absolutley must give every div winner a home game.

dtgold88 · Dec 6, 2019

Ricky Roma said:
If you're winning a division with an 8-8 record, the rest of your division is trash, and thus, a weak schedule in the first place. That somehow, their out of division opponents make up for that is pretty hard to imagine.

It's that hard to imagine? For many years playing the AFC North was much tougher than playing the East. This year playing the NFC East would seema lot easier than the West, wouldn't it?

dtgold88 · Dec 6, 2019

WizardHawk said:
How? You are told in the NFL to focus on winning your division. Your schedule is all about that. You want to then punish those that got stuck with tougher roads than others in a ranking after the fact? I'd call that really unfair.

NBA does it. They pretty much did away with divisions mattering entirely. Not saying NFL needs to be that extreme but what would be so bad about allowing the division winner in but reseeding?

Have you not thought to consider maybe they won their division because the division is, in fact, a weaker division and wasn't just because of schedule?

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