2019 Offseason Thread

True Lakers Fan · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
Only reason they would not be interested is they could not get it done. They have really nothing they'd be willing to trade that anyone would want and guessing a long time before they can offer a 1st rounder.

I think they have plenty of players they would want especially if the other team wants to dump salary and get ready for the summer, but the time for that is before the trade deadline. The Lakers just signed thes guys and they would be crazy to dump Kuzma

TurnUpTheHeat · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
Do ya see this @TurnUpTheHeat?

I think only way it gets done is get a 3rd team involved. Cannot see a buy out as he's not that type of player. Seems those are usually guys near the end of their careers who want one more shot at a ring and/or are regressing a lot from what they once were. TT has a ring and is still a productive player (which is why LA would want him).

I said they would want him, but not near enough to take on his contract vs spread money around like they did.
Lets see how bad they want him next summer, when its actually a possible reality.
3 years 20M might work for both sides.

dtgold88 · Aug 18, 2019

True Lakers Fan said:
I think they have plenty of players they would want especially if the other team wants to dump salary and get ready for the summer, but the time for that is before the trade deadline. The Lakers just signed thes guys and they would be crazy to dump Kuzma

who would Cavs want other than Lebron, AD or Kuzma (who LA would not trade)? Only way I think Cavs move TT is if they get picks back and pretty sure LA has none to offer for a while.

dtgold88 · Aug 18, 2019

TurnUpTheHeat said:
I said they would want him, but not near enough to take on his contract vs spread money around like they did.
Lets see how bad they want him next summer, when its actually a possible reality.
3 years 20M might work for both sides.

you also claimed there is no way the teams talked which is absurd.

tlance · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
But they did not pay what Klutch was asking. They wanted a max or a 3 year deal and he got neither. Was it a little over market value? Sure, like most FA deals are. And guessing the Cavs knew the cap would explode and TTs deal would be more in line with what he is worth.

It was a lot over market value actually.

TurnUpTheHeat · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
Bail out JR? No. Klutch or no klutch JR would have gotten a deal in that range.

you are thinking if no Klutch Lebron then just doesn't want JR around anymore, even though he played a huge role in getting them to the Finals?

dtgold88 said:
You are kicking your own ass again. In a previous comment and even this one you are trying to say they gave TT what he wanted and then you post something which claims this was not the case at all.

He wanted a max and the Cavs said too much, then he wanted even less than they offered in years and per season avg and they said no.

Clearly, the Cavs paid TT because the guy is a good player and an excellent fit for their team.

I get not in you to admit you are wrong but as I say I can just sit back and watch you kick your own ass.

Meltdown in 3....2......1

At least you admit you just like to argue vs actually know anything.

Both players greatly benefited from their relationship with LeBron.

For for sucks, TT had career averages of around 10/8 heading into his holdout.

What player ever, with that type of production, has went to ownership saying they want a max.

OF FUCKING COURSE it got negotiated down some, but still ended up being higher than it would have been or needed to be IF LeBron wasn't involved, with involved meaning making Gilbert honor his word and the relationship with Klutch.

dtgold88 · Aug 18, 2019

tlance said:
It was a lot over market value actually.

not the FA market where most who aren't getting max deals are overpaid.

But my point here was to refute the notion if not for Klutch he does not get paid and the Cavs gave Klutch exactly what they wanted. This is absurd, and proven so with the post from the guy who made the claim.

I've always been with you in the notion it was sign him or no one and the only guy it would hurt was Gilbert...who clearly didn't mind spending to win.

raptorlife4 · Aug 18, 2019

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dtgold88 · Aug 18, 2019

TurnUpTheHeat said:
At least you admit you just like to argue vs actually know anything.

Both players greatly benefited from their relationship with LeBron.

For for sucks, TT had career averages of around 10/8 heading into his holdout.

What player ever, with that type of production, has went to ownership saying they want a max.

OF FUCKING COURSE it got negotiated down some, but still ended up being higher than it would have been or needed to be IF LeBron wasn't involved, with involved meaning making Gilbert honor his word and the relationship with Klutch.

you - "TT got what he wanted"
you - "he got paid because of Klutch"

one is factually incorrect and the other implies if not for Klutch Lebron didn't want to win.

Lie, spin, dance, deflect, distort. wont matter.

Or do something crazy and just man up and say you were wrong.

TurnUpTheHeat · Aug 18, 2019

tlance said:
It was a lot over market value actually.

No other team made an offer.
Both TT and LeBron knew they had Gilbert by the balls so there was no need to let go.

To reiterate, wasn't this holdout before he had the decent numbers in the Finals?

Next summer will settle it, but I'm fairly confident how it will play out.

TurnUpTheHeat · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
not the FA market where most who aren't getting max deals are overpaid.

But my point here was to refute the notion if not for Klutch he does not get paid and the Cavs gave Klutch exactly what they wanted. This is absurd, and proven so with the post from the guy who made the claim.

I've always been with you in the notion it was sign him or no one and the only guy it would hurt was Gilbert...who clearly didn't mind spending to win.

You know the Cavs paid what they wanted?
Link?
They settled on amount that would satisfy TT and Klutch vs risk LeBron leaving and using them not keeping TT as an excuse for him leaving.

Its funny that when TT is overpaid, because of the market it is an ok thing, but when Riley did it, it was because he was a terrible GM.

trojanfan12 · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
agree....when accused if I

dtgold88 said:
Only a slight disagreement from me. I think Lebron feels the exact same way and still wants TT back even if there was no Klutch.

I agree. Him being with Klutch just made it a little easier, imo.

TurnUpTheHeat · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
you - "TT got what he wanted"
you - "he got paid because of Klutch"

one is factually incorrect and the other implies if not for Klutch Lebron didn't want to win.

Lie, spin, dance, deflect, distort. wont matter.

Or do something crazy and just man up and say you were wrong.

Actually its correct.
TT got what he wanted because of his relationship with Klutch.
James was publicly commenting on the situation all the time.
Helen Keller can see it, sorry it's over your head.

TurnUpTheHeat · Aug 18, 2019

trojanfan12 said:
I agree. Him being with Klutch just made it a little easier, imo.

I agree he would have wanted him back, especially because losing him gave them no cap space.
The difference is, he would have been back for much less.
He had no other offers. He had no leverage except sitting out the season.

trojanfan12 · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
And once again I will refute this silly comment and you wont acknowledge how easy it was to do.

In fact, I have admitted I like to argue, often try and get the last word, etc. so who is not accepting criticism? Never said "it's not me" Only that is is everyone else as well.

Really not debatable as this is fact.

What a complete crock of shit. With the ridiculous bullshit and constantly looking to start some shit argument over minutiae or someone not wording something exactly the way you think they should have (despite everyone else understanding what was meant) just so you can drag it out page after page, for days while blaming others is like a bank robber admitting he once shoplifted a candy bar.

You've already been warned about constantly dragging shit out. Remember that.

trojanfan12 · Aug 18, 2019

TurnUpTheHeat said:
I agree he would have wanted him back, especially because losing him gave them no cap space.
The difference is, he would have been back for much less.
He had no other offers. He had no leverage except sitting out the season.

Agree. Him being with Klutch basically had the Cavs bidding against themselves.

trojanfan12 · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
Actually, all his post did was disprove his previous comments......the Cavs did not give TT exactly what he or Klutch wanted. He wanted either a max deal or a shorter contract. They gave him neither.

It was a negotiation. Of course TT asked for things like a max deal. TT and Klutch knew they weren't getting a max deal and the Cavs knew they were going to end up overpaying him to keep him.

End result, neither side got exactly what they wanted, but both sides got what they could live with.

TurnUpTheHeat · Aug 18, 2019

LeBron James wants Tristan Thompson and the Cavaliers to 'Get it done!!!! Straight up'

trojanfan12 · Aug 18, 2019

dtgold88 said:
you also claimed there is no way the teams talked which is absurd.

Actually, it's not absurd at all. If you remember, in my post where I responded to you asking about potential interest from the Lakers...I said I would expect that they at least had internal discussions.

It may very well be that they discussed it, figured out there was really no way to get it done and moved on without contacting the Cavs.

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