Just for Dean

[Darrell Green Fan]

No...everybody is wrong on here occasionally. He is the only one that continually changes his opinions to appear correct. He also likes to claim he predicts this or that when he just parrots others. He also would rather be right than the Redskins be good.

I have not noticed this at all, please show your work and provide the posts..

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I wont speak for the rest. But here goes.

Its not about the fact that he guessed wrong. Hell like you said we ALL have guessed wrong at times during the draft. But it is his insistence that the guy we DID take was a mistake and we would have been so much better with his pick, with little or no regard for how that would have affected the rest of the team.

Biggest case in point, Deans constant drum that Moses some how DESERVED to be the pick in the second round, and Murphy was a mistake. His (and other posters) dry bitching that we choose Scherff over Williams. Never mind that not taking Scherff changes alot of what we currently have on the O-line.

So yea its real easy to sit back and speculate we would have been better taking this guy or that guy, to me at least it shows a lack of something when one sits back and bitches that SEE.. I told you this guy would be a stud, but no we went in another direction. And it makes it worse when one seems to ENJOY pointing out if a Redskins selected player is not quite up to expectation if it wasnt the guy one wanted us to draft in the first place.

Still think you guys overreact. Going into last season Moses did appear to be the better player so his opinion had justification. Murphy stepped up this year and yes Dean did have trouble admitting it. But unfortunately it appears as if Murphy's play had illegal help. So there's that. As for Scherff and Williams I'd argue that he has the right to express his opinion there even if I was not on his side of the debate. That is what message boards are for.

 

[deanpet21]

Still think you guys overreact. Going into last season Moses did appear to be the better player so his opinion had justification. Murphy stepped up this year and yes Dean did have trouble admitting it. But unfortunately it appears as if Murphy's play had illegal help. So there's that. As for Scherff and Williams I'd argue that he has the right to express his opinion there even if I was not on his side of the debate. That is what message boards are for.

If Murphy is as good as these guys think he is why are we looking for a pass rusher? Even in the first round. Just b/c TM had a good sack year the team could still invest a first round pick at pass rusher. So why do it if TM is the answer? Wouldn't they want to go to a different need?

 

[Sharkinva]

If Murphy is as good as these guys think he is why are we looking for a pass rusher? Even in the first round. Just b/c TM had a good sack year the team could still invest a first round pick at pass rusher. So why do it if TM is the answer? Wouldn't they want to go to a different need?

HOw many times have you and DGF screamed you can never have too many pass rushers?? How many times have you screamed we should have taken the more valuable Pass Rusher over an offensive lineman. But because it fits your current spin, now all of a sudden we shouldnt be considering a pass rusher when you have determined that

1. Lamp isnt worth the 17th pick
2. we mostly agree that there wont be a D-lineman worth the pick at 17


So yea, pass rusher is in play at 17 mainly because taking a QB or a WR is counter productive at this point, O-line isnt a value pick, and aside from RB or Safety, nothing else would be a value pick either.

 

[deanpet21]

HOw many times have you and DGF screamed you can never have too many pass rushers?? How many times have you screamed we should have taken the more valuable Pass Rusher over an offensive lineman. But because it fits your current spin, now all of a sudden we shouldnt be considering a pass rusher when you have determined that

1. Lamp isnt worth the 17th pick
2. we mostly agree that there wont be a D-lineman worth the pick at 17


So yea, pass rusher is in play at 17 mainly because taking a QB or a WR is counter productive at this point, O-line isnt a value pick, and aside from RB or Safety, nothing else would be a value pick either.

If we take that pass rusher at 17 would you agree with me that TM becomes a backup ST player? According to the Scherff lovers at 5 overall, Lamp should be a tremendous value at 17. CB or S could be in play at 17.

 

[Sharkinva]

If we take that pass rusher at 17 would you agree with me that TM becomes a backup ST player? According to the Scherff lovers at 5 overall, Lamp should be a tremendous value at 17. CB or S could be in play at 17.

If we take a pass rusher at 17 it means a few things.

1. Murphy is on the last year of his deal unless he gets resigned.
2. Gallett is on a one year deal and coming back from injury.
3. Smith has not improved as expected.

Lamp at 17 would be an extremely good value actually as he would allow us to improve our O-line and likely move on from the Lavaou experiment. He much like Scherff would dramatically improve our O-line. But the reality is, we probably wont take him because we are desperate for a play maker either on defense, or at RB. And if we did take him, many of you would proclaim it a bad move any way because as you have stated, you dont draft a guard in the first round even if it can drastically improve your TEAM.

 

[deanpet21]

If we take a pass rusher at 17 it means a few things.

1. Murphy is on the last year of his deal unless he gets resigned.
2. Gallett is on a one year deal and coming back from injury.
3. Smith has not improved as expected.

Lamp at 17 would be an extremely good value actually as he would allow us to improve our O-line and likely move on from the Lavaou experiment. He much like Scherff would dramatically improve our O-line. But the reality is, we probably wont take him because we are desperate for a play maker either on defense, or at RB. And if we did take him, many of you would proclaim it a bad move any way because as you have stated, you dont draft a guard in the first round even if it can drastically improve your TEAM.

wrong. many of us said you don't draft a OG in the top 5 not first round. You didnt answer my question. If TM doesn't get resigned what does that tell you?

 

[Sharkinva]

wrong. many of us said you don't draft a OG in the top 5 not first round. You didnt answer my question. If TM doesn't get resigned what does that tell you?

What you mean if he doesnt get resigned now, or next year when he is set to be a free agent??

If he isnt resigned now, it will mean the same thing if Morgan doesnt get extended now... that both players are STILL not viewed as critical parts by the team.

If either is not resigned next year, it would tell me the team feels they can do better. But I wouldnt be shocked considering that there have been plenty of players not quite sexy enough to resign who went on to do pretty well else where.

 

[deanpet21]

What you mean if he doesnt get resigned now, or next year when he is set to be a free agent??

If he isnt resigned now, it will mean the same thing if Morgan doesnt get extended now... that both players are STILL not viewed as critical parts by the team.

If either is not resigned next year, it would tell me the team feels they can do better. But I wouldnt be shocked considering that there have been plenty of players not quite sexy enough to resign who went on to do pretty well else where.

Next year. If the pick is OLB at 17 you know as well as I do that TM becomes backup ST player. Very doubtful they try to resign him next off season. I don't see the SKins taking a OT in this draft. do you?

 

[Sharkinva]

Next year. If the pick is OLB at 17 you know as well as I do that TM becomes backup ST player. Very doubtful they try to resign him next off season. I don't see the SKins taking a OT in this draft. do you?

At 17, probably not. But lets not pretend Moses is some all pro that cant be replaced. You been calling for Murphy's head from the moment we drafted him, and all he has done is prove you wrong time and time again. But dont let that hold you back.

 

[deanpet21]

At 17, probably not. But lets not pretend Moses is some all pro that cant be replaced. You been calling for Murphy's head from the moment we drafted him, and all he has done is prove you wrong time and time again. But dont let that hold you back.

Moses is not the best but he deserves a contract extension. How does TM deserve anything when is big year came from drugs? TM has not proved me wrong. I called him a backup St player and that is what the team views him as. My proof of that is the drafting of Smith in the 2nd round, the signing of JG, and now probably drafting a OLB at 17. Case closed.

Those of you saying Tm is a better pro than Moses is just laughable.

 

[Sharkinva]

Moses is not the best but he deserves a contract extension. How does TM deserve anything when is big year came from drugs? TM has not proved me wrong. I called him a backup St player and that is what the team views him as. My proof of that is the drafting of Smith in the 2nd round, the signing of JG, and now probably drafting a OLB at 17. Case closed.

Those of you saying Tm is a better pro than Moses is just laughable.

How did I know you would go there?? Have you even seen some of the things on the NFL banned substance list that are considered performance enhancing drugs?? Better than half of the "stimulants" they consider PEDs are common ingredients in over the counter cold meds.


Again your PROOF fits your argument which is why you hang onto it. My PROOF that Moses was no better than a third rounder comes from the FACT that he was drafted in the 3rd round. Murphy has maintained his roster spot despite them bringing in people to try and take his spot. Moses maintains his spot because they havent really tried to replace him, big difference there boss.

 

[deanpet21]

How did I know you would go there?? Have you even seen some of the things on the NFL banned substance list that are considered performance enhancing drugs?? Better than half of the "stimulants" they consider PEDs are common ingredients in over the counter cold meds.


Again your PROOF fits your argument which is why you hang onto it. My PROOF that Moses was no better than a third rounder comes from the FACT that he was drafted in the 3rd round. Murphy has maintained his roster spot despite them bringing in people to try and take his spot. Moses maintains his spot because they havent really tried to replace him, big difference there boss.

You are crazy. Murphy kept his spot b/c at the time we had no one besides RK. Then we took a chance on JG and drafted Smith. So the Skins have tried multiple times to replace Murphy. Now if they draft a olb at 17 that should be the writing on the wall.

Moses came back from a Lisfranc injury and has played at a good level to help this team. You bashed him for no reason. Both players are going to keep there respective rosters sports b/c t hey were drafted and our cheap player. So when its FA time for both players and the skins only can keep one who do you think they are going to give the extension to?

I don't get the love for TM at all. yes decent player but it so obvious that the team is looking for his replacement. If you are a fan of Tm and the pick is OLB at 17 you have to be wondering why that pick was OLB. That pick of OLB at 17 is certainly not sitting on the bench. Call a spade a spade Shark.

 

[Stymietee]

According to nearly all of the "experts" the pick will be..........Mitchell Trubisky QB, ILB, RB and OG from North Carolina

 

[skinsdad62]

dean was embarrassed that we got TM and his boy moses and moses was taken later thatnis all that is about and your new boy BA did the picking

 

[deanpet21]

dean was embarrassed that we got TM and his boy moses and moses was taken later thatnis all that is about and your new boy BA did the picking

not embarrassed, we got lucky

 

[skinsdad62]

not embarrassed, we got lucky

no you are embarrassed because you keep bringing it up . we got 2 good players , a fan not interested in being right would be happy

 

[deanpet21]

no you are embarrassed because you keep bringing it up . we got 2 good players , a fan not interested in being right would be happy

I am happy but was right that Moses is the better player. Are you still debating this? If TM was as good as you say he is we would NOT be in the market for a pass rusher OLB. Simple as that. Are we in the market for a OT? NO!! Why is that skinsdad?

 

[skinsdad62]

I am happy but was right that Moses is the better player. Are you still debating this? If TM was as good as you say he is we would NOT be in the market for a pass rusher OLB. Simple as that. Are we in the market for a OT? NO!! Why is that skinsdad?

disagree smith is inconsistent , JG cant get on the feild fact is we got both and you were crying about it from the get go sherrf makes moses better

 

[deanpet21]

disagree smith is inconsistent , JG cant get on the feild fact is we got both and you were crying about it from the get go sherrf makes moses better

Smith is still young plus a high 2nd round pick and JG is a huge wildcard but if TM was solid we wouldn't be looking at OLB. Does Scherff stop edge rushers??? No!