Finally.....A positive Kirk Thread!

[Stymietee]

Now that we've turned our attention to this upcoming draft, and there is some dispute concerning our pick at #17, I want to focus on what's it going to take to get Cousins to that next level. Surely improvements in mechanics, decision making and experience will help, however, a lot will be on the team around him. My question is what can the team/organization do to help in his growth?

 

[Sharkinva]

IM just going to point out that option #2 is apparently against the religious beliefs of some around here apparently.

 

[Sharkinva]

ok so 22 views, three votes and Im guessing Sty abstained.

So IM going to hazard a guess, either GK or EB voted Defense

The WR vote could be Dean

So... who dropped the RB vote?? LOL

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I went with improving the defense. It will be interesting to see if the 'skins learned anything from Scotty when it comes to recognizing talent. With the QBs that could be available in the 2nd round, I expect Mixon and, or Cam Robinson to be available when we pick, so its fair to say they are similar talents to Cook and Lamp.
With that reasoning, I'd likely go defense, even if that meant Peppers or McDowell or a CB.
Imagine getting Mixon in the 2nd! if he is really as good as advertised, by the time he is given the lion's share of the carries, he should look amazing if fat rob looked great at times.

 

[skinz2winz]

I believe a solid run game will better set up play action thus, improving not only play calling and opportunities to exploit a defense, but will allow Kirk to peel back a few layers allowing him to grow as a QB. Plus, we are not done adding to this defense but I believe Grudens input and mindset will ultimately sway the RB pick.

 

[Sportster 72]

I am laughing at this being disguised as a "positive" Cousins post.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

this post is a stymie trap

 

[reptec101]

I voted RB. It obviously helped Prescott in Dallas. I believe any and all above would help out any QB. However, you left off one thing I believe would had made him the best that he could possibly be. A long term deal. Even though it may appear he is not playing under pressure, don't be fooled. With a deal in place and everyone happy he would in my opinion reach his full potential. In the beginning when he played he was playing tight and trying "not to fuck up" resulting in a head scratcher play. Then he plays under a tag playing tight and playing "not to fuck up" just to up his ante in the upcoming new year. This year will be the same of playing not to fuck up to help his stock rise for potential buyers. If we ever had a relaxed KC who knows his limit.

 

[skinsdad62]

i went defense because we will draft a RB early (within 1st 3 rounds) . and a better defense means the load isnt always on the offense

i cant say there is a wrong answer

and yes it is a trap STY

 

[Stymietee]

i went defense because we will draft a RB early (within 1st 3 rounds) . and a better defense means the load isnt always on the offense

i cant say there is a wrong answer

and yes it is a trap STY

I am laughing at this being disguised as a "positive" Cousins post.

this post is a stymie trap

There are multiple threads concerning our draft where the constant back and forth, while entertaining, leaves more questions than answers with respect to positional importance. This is especially true when the topic turns to our pick at #17.

Here's what I want from the three of you.....@Dad and @Coach, why do you see it as a "Trap?"

@Sportster....disguised as a "positive" Cousins post? Really??

 

[skinsdad62]

There are multiple threads concerning our draft where the constant back and forth, while entertaining, leaves more questions than answers with respect to positional importance. This is especially true when the topic turns to our pick at #17.

Here's what I want from the three of you.....@Dad and @Coach, why do you see it as a "Trap?"

@Sportster....disguised as a "positive" Cousins post? Really??

what makes KC better ? you sly dog

 

[Stymietee]

what makes KC better ? you sly dog

I did consider that, however, there have also been threads in support of Kirk where some here positively pointed out that he likely would get better. I find it interesting that not one person has yet to vote that he would get better on his own efforts. (Yes, that was purposely included in the choices) pretty slick huh?

 

[Sharkinva]

I did consider that, however, there have also been threads in support of Kirk where some here positively pointed out that he likely would get better. I find it interesting that not one person has yet to vote that he would get better on his own efforts. (Yes, that was purposely included in the choices) pretty slick huh?

Improvement in the NFL rarely happens in a vacuum. For Kirk to improve, he will need the right pieces around him. How do you think Aron Rogers or Tom Brady would fare on the Niners roster of last year?

Truth is, Kirk Should improve on his own. But pieces will need to be in place in order to prove it.

 

[Stymietee]

Improvement in the NFL rarely happens in a vacuum. For Kirk to improve, he will need the right pieces around him. How do you think Aron Rogers or Tom Brady would fare on the Niners roster of last year?

Truth is, Kirk Should improve on his own. But pieces will need to be in place in order to prove it.

Gotta love the trap image....(made me grin) Maybe some will see this as a trap, however, this debate is a very recent one involving the disagreement over selecting a RB at #17. Thus far 6 have selected "improving the defense" while 6 others have selected "drafting a stud RB" which to be fair is an interesting debate in and of itself. I personally, can see getting better field position and more opportunities which come with an improved defense, a non upgraded offense more opportunities to fail than an upgraded offense that takes the onus off of its QB because the newly installed stud RB is doing real work.

@ Dad said it best, by design there are no real wrong answers to the poll, however, based on the question, there is a "best" one.

 

[Sharkinva]

Gotta love the trap image....(made me grin) Maybe some will see this as a trap, however, this debate is a very recent one involving the disagreement over selecting a RB at #17. Thus far 6 have selected "improving the defense" while 6 others have selected "drafting a stud RB" which to be fair is an interesting debate in and of itself. I personally, can see getting better field position and more opportunities which come with an improved defense, a non upgraded offense more opportunities to fail than an upgraded offense that takes the onus off of its QB because the newly installed stud RB is doing real work.

@ Dad said it best, by design there are no real wrong answers to the poll, however, based on the question, there is a "best" one.

Keeping in this train of thought.... The Defense AND the Run game need to be improved.

I think the big hold up for some is, 17 is too high to take a RB (I disagree)
Or are we going to force the defensive pick because the Defense does need more work. ( I agree the defense needs more work) IM not sold that we pass on a stud RB because the defense needs more help in a draft thats supposedly loaded in defensive talent.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I did consider that, however, there have also been threads in support of Kirk where some here positively pointed out that he likely would get better. I find it interesting that not one person has yet to vote that he would get better on his own efforts. (Yes, that was purposely included in the choices) pretty slick huh?

There are multiple threads concerning our draft where the constant back and forth, while entertaining, leaves more questions than answers with respect to positional importance. This is especially true when the topic turns to our pick at #17.

Here's what I want from the three of you.....@Dad and @Coach, why do you see it as a "Trap?"

@Sportster....disguised as a "positive" Cousins post? Really??

kirk is already good so answering the poll we basically saying kirk needs to improve he does not the team needs to catch up to him

 

[Stymietee]

Keeping in this train of thought.... The Defense AND the Run game need to be improved.

I think the big hold up for some is, 17 is too high to take a RB (I disagree)
Or are we going to force the defensive pick because the Defense does need more work. ( I agree the defense needs more work) IM not sold that we pass on a stud RB because the defense needs more help in a draft thats supposedly loaded in defensive talent.

Agreed, there aren't but a few RB who are difference makers in this draft and as you've pointed out this is supposed to be a very deep defensive draft. Seems we both agree that it's "best" to get o ne of the limited numbers first, then go after others needs in the deep pool. Maybe that is what they are referring to when they say "trap"

 

[Stymietee]

kirk is already good so answering the poll we basically saying kirk needs to improve he does not the team needs to catch up to him

There's not one current or future NFL player that is good enough to a point where is not room for improvement, not one! You're wayyyyy over thinking this, especially when you seem to believe that Kirk does not need to improve. I get it though, QB centered belief system. Well there's currently only one guy that fits that description, so let's see.............Brady.......Cousins....., nope, they're not the same. What the QB centered crowd cannot come to terms with, is, how much more effective that QB can be if the ball is taken out of his hands by a RB doing real work. It's not a trap @Coach, it's clarity.

 

[Sharkinva]

Agreed, there aren't but a few RB who are difference makers in this draft and as you've pointed out this is supposed to be a very deep defensive draft. Seems we both agree that it's "best" to get o ne of the limited numbers first, then go after others needs in the deep pool. Maybe that is what they are referring to when they say "trap"

Some consider Mixon the best RB in this daft. My thinking is, if true he wont be there at 49. And again if he is that good, 17 would not be too high to take him.

 

[Stymietee]

Some consider Mixon the best RB in this daft. My thinking is, if true he wont be there at 49. And again if he is that good, 17 would not be too high to take him.

I'm one of them, I actually began following this guy while following his stablemate Perine. To me he is a once in a generation type of ball carrier. Surely there are others who's ability to run the ball are comparable, however, his patience and ability to set up the block has not been seen at this level since some of the greats took the field. Then there is the almost automatic timeout by the opposition when he goes in motion or is used as a flanker. As a pass catcher he reminds me of an upgraded Reed. High praise of course for someone who hasn't done a thing at the NFL level, but I'm telling anyone who wants to listen, if this guy stays healthy, he and Zeke change the running back by committee era.