Nick Saban blocking transfers

[ralphiewvu]

Kid was told the reason he was not being allowed to go to Georgia and that is when he decided to go public. Saban could have continued with his hold out of the release and been within the rules and rights. He decided to release him because he was a distraction and they do not need a whining child pitching a temper tantrum because he did not get his way. If you tell a child no and they pitch a temper tantrum, you call them a whiner. Kid was aptly named.

If you tell a child no, then go back on your word what's that make you?

An quit hiding behind the rules as if Saban had to do this. No one is saying he broke the rules but him not granting the waiver at first was not something he had to do.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Kids graduate in 3 years all the time. If they redshirt their first year, they have 2 years of eligibility left.

Maurice Smith graduated in 3 years, but he has played since being a true freshman. He only has 1 year of eligibility left as a result, but even if he wasn't granted immediate playing time by the SEC, he could have redshirted this year and still played for Georgia in 2017.

Barrett Jones got a masters degree in the 5 years he was at Alabama.

Alabama had the most players who had already graduated playing in the post season of all college football teams last year. How many do you think it was? 3 or 4? Nope - 29 players had already graduated, and Maurice Smith wasn't even one of them.

That team broke the previous record of 28, which was also set by Alabama in 2014 vs Oklahoma.

Saban/Alabama actually put a good amount of resources into making sure they go to class and graduate.

An you are worried about the kids academics??

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

If you tell a child no, then go back on your word what's that make you?

An quit hiding behind the rules as if Saban had to do this. No one is saying he broke the rules but him not granting the waiver at first was not something he had to do.

Someone who is open minded and reconsiders his decision based on all the options? I am struggling with what you are asking here, maybe enlighten us as to the horrible childhood you had.

Hiding behind the rules? The rules are what they are and Saban had every right as a coach to do as he did until he no longer had control of the kid. Once the kid graduated he had no other recourse but to release him. He did exactly as i am sure was detailed to him in the original meeting he had with the kid, then again with his mother and support group(read posse) when he tried yet again to get his way. My guess is he was told all along that until he was no longer part of the University and its program, he would not be allowed to transfer nor would he be released.

So now which direction do you want to take your whining? He has gotten everything he wanted with guidelines and benchmarks he must accomplish or it will hinder the University. My guess is DC Smart is a nicer guy that HC Smart and he will come to find out that the grass is not greener at Georgia(considering they are not being touted for title contention presently).

 

[7Samurai13]

Someone who is open minded and reconsiders his decision based on all the options? I am struggling with what you are asking here, maybe enlighten us as to the horrible childhood you had.

Hiding behind the rules? The rules are what they are and Saban had every right as a coach to do as he did until he no longer had control of the kid. Once the kid graduated he had no other recourse but to release him. He did exactly as i am sure was detailed to him in the original meeting he had with the kid, then again with his mother and support group(read posse) when he tried yet again to get his way. My guess is he was told all along that until he was no longer part of the University and its program, he would not be allowed to transfer nor would he be released.

So now which direction do you want to take your whining? He has gotten everything he wanted with guidelines and benchmarks he must accomplish or it will hinder the University. My guess is DC Smart is a nicer guy that HC Smart and he will come to find out that the grass is not greener at Georgia(considering they are not being touted for title contention presently).

Dude, seriously? Do you not pay attention? Before Tennessee took the title last year, Georgia had won the previous nine preseason national titles. Step your game up.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Dude, seriously? Do you not pay attention? Before Tennessee took the title last year, Georgia had won the previous nine preseason national titles. Step your game up.

Sorry I forgot the Preseason awards that are handed out. My bad.

 

[4down20]

An you are worried about the kids academics??

I don't recall saying I was worried about them. I recall saying he was unable to produce a valid academic reason for transfer. Even when his mom went to the media about it, it was all about playing time and football, nothing about academics.

 

[nddulac]

But, most transfers have to sit out a year between schools and that helps keep kids from changing programs on a whim(free agency).

While it is correct that most student-athletes have to sit out a year upon transfering, it is incorrect that it is to prevent "free agency" from existing.

From Want to Transfer?

The NCAA may require you to sit out of competition for a year after transferring to help you adjust to your new school.

In the case of a student athlete who is still in pursuit of a degree, this makes sense. But for a graduate transfer, it makes no sense to force sitting a year. If it did, there would be no justification for allowing freshmen to play either. In my opinion, those who have completed a degree should be free to move to new schools, subject to all of the same requirements imposed on recruiting freshmen or JC transfers.

But that wasn't what I asked.

In the case of grad transfers, special circumstances can/should allow for someone to be allowed to play right away, but for the most part they probably shouldn't be allowed. It is a form of free agency ...

So - if I may interpret what you are saying, free agency is bad and should be avoided? Let's take a stab at why you seem to think this . .

As for how it makes a difference in maintaining competitive balance, I guess when top teams like Alabama, Ohio St, USC etc start getting an influx of proven grad transfers from smaller schools every year because they want the best chance to win a national championship, get national exposure and get a chance at the NFL it will be apparent.

Wow. So your argument is that those schools that consistently garner the best recruiting roster will be able to score . . the best recruiting rosters? Why then, are you not in favor of recriuting restrictions that hamper the schools that continually do well? Wouldn't that be consistent with the idea of maintaining fair competition?

But more to the point, if those schools would benefit the most from graduate transfers, why are people transferring away from them?

 

[4down20]

While it is correct that most student-athletes have to sit out a year upon transfering, it is incorrect that it is to prevent "free agency" from existing.

From Want to Transfer?

In the case of a student athlete who is still in pursuit of a degree, this makes sense. But for a graduate transfer, it makes no sense to force sitting a year. If it did, there would be no justification for allowing freshmen to play either. In my opinion, those who have completed a degree should be free to move to new schools, subject to all of the same requirements imposed on recruiting freshmen or JC transfers.

SEC rule regarding grad transfers is exactly what I said.

But that wasn't what I asked.

So - if I may interpret what you are saying, free agency is bad and should be avoided? Let's take a stab at why you seem to think this . .

Wow. So your argument is that those schools that consistently garner the best recruiting roster will be able to score . . the best recruiting rosters? Why then, are you not in favor of recriuting restrictions that hamper the schools that continually do well? Wouldn't that be consistent with the idea of maintaining fair competition?

But more to the point, if those schools would benefit the most from graduate transfers, why are people transferring away from them?

It won't be bad for Alabama, it will be bad for the rest of college football.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Someone who is open minded and reconsiders his decision based on all the options? I am struggling with what you are asking here, maybe enlighten us as to the horrible childhood you had.

Hiding behind the rules? The rules are what they are and Saban had every right as a coach to do as he did until he no longer had control of the kid. Once the kid graduated he had no other recourse but to release him. He did exactly as i am sure was detailed to him in the original meeting he had with the kid, then again with his mother and support group(read posse) when he tried yet again to get his way. My guess is he was told all along that until he was no longer part of the University and its program, he would not be allowed to transfer nor would he be released.

So now which direction do you want to take your whining? He has gotten everything he wanted with guidelines and benchmarks he must accomplish or it will hinder the University. My guess is DC Smart is a nicer guy that HC Smart and he will come to find out that the grass is not greener at Georgia(considering they are not being touted for title contention presently).

You are calling the kid a whiner for not getting his way. Ok, however Saban now has set a precedent that alls you have to do is whine and Saban will give in because as you put it "it's not worth the distraction." It really isn't that tough to understand.

Once again no one is saying Saban broke the rules. He may of had every right but that doesn't mean he needed to do it. The kid wanted to go to a team not even on your guys schedule and yet couldn't until he went public.

Sure the grass isn't always greener but at least let the kid experience that, especially since said "grass" ain't on your schedule.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Bahahahahahbahahaha suddenly you care about the kids academics?

Sure, why wouldn't I?

I don't recall saying I was worried about them. I recall saying he was unable to produce a valid academic reason for transfer. Even when his mom went to the media about it, it was all about playing time and football, nothing about academics.

I do recall you saying it. Suddenly it's an academic issue now. Funny how that works

 

[umichgradfan]

Kid was told the reason he was not being allowed to go to Georgia and that is when he decided to go public. Saban could have continued with his hold out of the release and been within the rules and rights. He decided to release him because he was a distraction and they do not need a whining child pitching a temper tantrum because he did not get his way. If you tell a child no and they pitch a temper tantrum, you call them a whiner. Kid was aptly named.

Saban looks like the whiner in this case, and he also looks as if he bowed to public pressure and whatever threat Smith's mother made in her 20-minute private conversation with him. I wonder what she threatened to reveal about Saban and the Alabama program. He couldn't sign Smith's waiver fast enough after that conversation.

 

[Rolltide94]

Saban looks like the whiner in this case, and he also looks as if he bowed to public pressure and whatever threat Smith's mother made in her 20-minute private conversation with him. I wonder what she threatened to reveal about Saban and the Alabama program. He couldn't sign Smith's waiver fast enough after that conversation.

Clearly you have never spent 20 minutes with a helicopter mom in full on special snowflake rage...there is no price high enough to pay to make that shit stop.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

You are calling the kid a whiner for not getting his way. Ok, however Saban now has set a precedent that alls you have to do is whine and Saban will give in because as you put it "it's not worth the distraction." It really isn't that tough to understand.

Once again no one is saying Saban broke the rules. He may of had every right but that doesn't mean he needed to do it. The kid wanted to go to a team not even on your guys schedule and yet couldn't until he went public.

Sure the grass isn't always greener but at least let the kid experience that, especially since said "grass" ain't on your schedule.

Set a precedent? So each situation will be identical? Last I checked each situation is not created equal and everyone deserves a fresh perspective. You act as if Saban had a choice in this once the kid was graduated, no longer part of the University system. He granted the release solely due to him no longer being affiliated with the university, no more, no less. He had no reason not to grant the release to the SEC for further consideration at that point.

As for what the kid wanted, I understand he wanted it, but he was told no by the coach and University. Him going public made the situation worse and makes him out to be a malcontent in many peoples eyes. Sorry, but you dont get to pitch temper tantrums and not look like a spoiled child, its simply not Adult to do so. He chose poor actions and now he looks foolish.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Saban looks like the whiner in this case, and he also looks as if he bowed to public pressure and whatever threat Smith's mother made in her 20-minute private conversation with him. I wonder what she threatened to reveal about Saban and the Alabama program. He couldn't sign Smith's waiver fast enough after that conversation.

I doubt seriously if she threatened anything. My guess he let her speak her mind and that was that. He released the kid due to his not being part of the University any longer. He graduated and was not enrolled in upcoming classes. He was done and had not accepted a grant in aid for the upcoming semester. Whats left but to grant a release? Can you think of anything left to do, since apparently you and the WV guy are so knowledgeable about Alabama athletic department procedures.

 

[umichgradfan]

I doubt seriously if she threatened anything. My guess he let her speak her mind and that was that. He released the kid due to his not being part of the University any longer. He graduated and was not enrolled in upcoming classes. He was done and had not accepted a grant in aid for the upcoming semester. Whats left but to grant a release? Can you think of anything left to do, since apparently you and the WV guy are so knowledgeable about Alabama athletic department procedures.

Saban could have adhered to the rule and refused to sign the waiver as he had been doing and been fully within the rules to do so as the Bama fanboys here have been claiming. Of course, there would also have been continuing consequences.

 

[bamabear82]

Saban could have adhered to the rule and refused to sign the waiver as he had been doing and been fully within the rules to do so as the Bama fanboys here have been claiming. Of course, there would also have been continuing consequences.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Saban could have adhered to the rule and refused to sign the waiver as he had been doing and been fully within the rules to do so as the Bama fanboys here have been claiming. Of course, there would also have been continuing consequences.

Please enlighten us. The world is waiting with baited breathe to know what consequences.

 

[umichgradfan]

Please enlighten us. The world is waiting with baited breathe to know what consequences.

The distraction. Saban said he wanted to be done with the "distraction."

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

The distraction. Saban said he wanted to be done with the "distraction."

Consequence = distraction. OK but if the kid is graduated, no longer a part of the University system, why not grant his release and let him find out that life on the other side is not as fun. Its a no brainer actually, kid needs to find out not all teams are created equal on his own. Whats is funny is Saban and his system are why so many Bama players get drafted. Kirby has not had time to get that in place yet and this kid likely dropped his stock by a small percentage by not having Saban and his contacts at that level helping to get this kid some fresh looks by coaches at the next level. Good luck to the young man, but he is not as smart as i thought he was.

 

[umichgradfan]

Consequence = distraction. OK but if the kid is graduated, no longer a part of the University system, why not grant his release and let him find out that life on the other side is not as fun. Its a no brainer actually, kid needs to find out not all teams are created equal on his own. Whats is funny is Saban and his system are why so many Bama players get drafted. Kirby has not had time to get that in place yet and this kid likely dropped his stock by a small percentage by not having Saban and his contacts at that level helping to get this kid some fresh looks by coaches at the next level. Good luck to the young man, but he is not as smart as i thought he was.

That's what I, and many others, have been saying.