Ben Simmons-Joel Embiid Duo

[shopson67]

Yes. The 16-17 Sixers are in significantly better shape than the team he inherited.

Remember that when they struggle to win 20 games...again...and Embiid is a shell of his college self (if he even gets on the court)...and Simmons struggles because he has nobody to pass to that can make a shot....

Besides, the current state of the team isn't due to Hinkie; this is Colangelo's team. He brought in the latest draft picks and the free agent signings. Hinkie's last hurrah was finishing dead last and being pushed out.

 

[ericd7633]

There's no justifying that Bynum trade, 2nd round playoff team or not. It's the exact reason I don't want the Lakers trying to cut corners by trading young building blocks for a veteran. Sign the vets in free agency and let the building blocks grow. Giving up that much for an injury history like Bynum's is ridiculous. Loved him as a Laker, but he was never going to lead a team; he's a 3rd or 4th option. Iggy is a better player by himself, especially at that time with more career left in front of him.

Of course the 12/13 team fell apart. They gave away their veteran leader, a center for the future, and multiple draft picks (and whatever else), all for a player that never got on the floor for the team. They got nothing from the draft, as they included their #1 in the Bynum trade. They also did horribly in free agency, letting Lou Williams leave while bringing in Kwame Brown, Nick Young, Royal Ivey, and the ghost of JRich (who played less than a half a season before missing the next year and half due to injury).

As far as MCW, he did win rookie of the year, but wouldn't have been relied upon had they not traded away Jrue. They could've kept their own pick and drafted Steven Adams (with Jrue) instead of MCW and trading Jrue for Noel.

Of course, it's easier looking back than making the moves then, but some of these moves are glaring. Hinkie took over before the '13 draft, but has he really done much better? He's just been in position to draft high, but didn't maneuver to get pieces that fit together.

Yes Hinkie had nothing to do with the god awful Bynum trade. That was fucking atrocious and done BEFORE Hinkie. You can't call them equal when it was two different management's that made the move. And yes so you agree that the 12/13 team sucked ass. So what did Hinkle have to work with? Jrue, Turner and Young and one less first rounder. We aren't competing for anything if we draft Adams, keep those guys and don't draft MCW.

And yes Hinkie has done MUCH better than the previous regime. Its startling how many people don't know the shit show Hinkie walked into.

 

[Taddy Mason]

Remember that when they struggle to win 20 games...again...and Embiid is a shell of his college self (if he even gets on the court)...and Simmons struggles because he has nobody to pass to that can make a shot....

Besides, the current state of the team isn't due to Hinkie; this is Colangelo's team. He brought in the latest draft picks and the free agent signings. Hinkie's last hurrah was finishing dead last and being pushed out.

The current structure of the team is entirely due to Hinkie. The Bynum trade set them back and he was able to recover from it. Many of the future picks are because of Sam as well. Speaking of which, and on the subject of struggling to win 20 games, maybe this is the year the lakers pick will convey...

 

[knowyourenemy]

Remember that when they struggle to win 20 games...again...and Embiid is a shell of his college self (if he even gets on the court)...and Simmons struggles because he has nobody to pass to that can make a shot....

Besides, the current state of the team isn't due to Hinkie; this is Colangelo's team. He brought in the latest draft picks and the free agent signings. Hinkie's last hurrah was finishing dead last and being pushed out.

This is Colangelo's team but the current state of the team is definitely due to Hinkie.

As far as this season, I'm pretty optimistic on this team and think they'll far exceed 20 wins. I don't agree with the criticism that the team has no one who can make a shot. Inside, they'll have their bigs. As far as jumpshots, Covington, Saric, Bayless, Henderson. It won't be near the disaster that you're making it out to be.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

It looks scary on paper, but I just have no faith in embiid staying healthy.

 

[flyerhawk]

Remember that when they struggle to win 20 games...again...and Embiid is a shell of his college self (if he even gets on the court)...and Simmons struggles because he has nobody to pass to that can make a shot....

I think an optimistic expectation is 30 or so wins. Maybe 35 if Simmons, Embiid and Saric are all real deal NBA players.

But certainly 17-20 wins is a possibility. Embiid may not be able to stay healthy. Saric may be too slow for the NBA. Okafor and Noel will continue to be the Yin and Yang of a really good NBA player with neither being good by themselves.

No way to know. A realistic expectation, IMO, is about 20-30 wins. A pretty wide window, I realize, but there are so many variables in play getting a more precise prediction is next to impossible.

The lack of a legitimate PG is going to prevent this team from being able to be an actually good team.

 

[flyerhawk]

It looks scary on paper, but I just have no faith in embiid staying healthy.

The ghost of Greg Oden's career agrees with you. Of course there is no way to know whether Embiid will be like Oden but it is a very real possibility.

 

[knowyourenemy]

I think an optimistic expectation is 30 or so wins. Maybe 35 if Simmons, Embiid and Saric are all real deal NBA players.

But certainly 17-20 wins is a possibility. Embiid may not be able to stay healthy. Saric may be too slow for the NBA. Okafor and Noel will continue to be the Yin and Yang of a really good NBA player with neither being good by themselves.

No way to know. A realistic expectation, IMO, is about 20-30 wins. A pretty wide window, I realize, but there are so many variables in play getting a more precise prediction is next to impossible.

The lack of a legitimate PG is going to prevent this team from being able to be an actually good team.

I think the 20-30 window is a good one, though. I would be very disappointed if this team won fewer than 20 games. I'd also be very pleased if this team shows a little promise and wins over 30 games. Somewhere in the middle? That's what I would expect.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Remember that when they struggle to win 20 games...again...and Embiid is a shell of his college self (if he even gets on the court)...and Simmons struggles because he has nobody to pass to that can make a shot....

Besides, the current state of the team isn't due to Hinkie; this is Colangelo's team. He brought in the latest draft picks and the free agent signings. Hinkie's last hurrah was finishing dead last and being pushed out.

Do you think the Lakers will win more games than the 76ers this year?

 

[ericd7633]

I think an optimistic expectation is 30 or so wins. Maybe 35 if Simmons, Embiid and Saric are all real deal NBA players.

But certainly 17-20 wins is a possibility. Embiid may not be able to stay healthy. Saric may be too slow for the NBA. Okafor and Noel will continue to be the Yin and Yang of a really good NBA player with neither being good by themselves.

No way to know. A realistic expectation, IMO, is about 20-30 wins. A pretty wide window, I realize, but there are so many variables in play getting a more precise prediction is next to impossible.

The lack of a legitimate PG is going to prevent this team from being able to be an actually good team.

I'm honestly not really concerned about being competitive right away. As long as Lebron is still in his prime, even if it's the back end, nobody else is going to come out of the East. In about 3 years when Lebron is exiting his prime and all these young pieces for the Sixers get experience, at that point it'll be time to compete in the East. Being stuck around .500 is the worst place to be. The Sixers rebuilt while they had no chance to come out of the East. IMO what the Nets did was absolutely worse. They had one relevant season with the vets they got, had realistically no shot to come out of the East, and now have no future assets.

 

[flyerhawk]

I'm honestly not really concerned about being competitive right away. As long as Lebron is still in his prime, even if it's the back end, nobody else is going to come out of the East. In about 3 years when Lebron is exiting his prime and all these young pieces for the Sixers get experience, at that point it'll be time to compete in the East. Being stuck around .500 is the worst place to be. The Sixers rebuilt while they had no chance to come out of the East. IMO what the Nets did was absolutely worse. They had one relevant season with the vets they got, had realistically no shot to come out of the East, and now have no future assets.

Oh I agree. I certainly don't care if they are a playoff competitor next year or even next year. But they are now at the point that they need to build towards that. I don't want to see them waiting for future picks to be their saviors. Hopefully the Lakers are good enough to not be a top 3 pick. That would really set them up well.

 

[shopson67]

Do you think the Lakers will win more games than the 76ers this year?

I do. I think they "should" win at least 35 games. Better coaching, better system, etc. I really don't believe the ESPN ranking that they'll finish last in the West and be in the worst 3 again.

 

[shopson67]

Yes Hinkie had nothing to do with the god awful Bynum trade. That was fucking atrocious and done BEFORE Hinkie. You can't call them equal when it was two different management's that made the move. And yes so you agree that the 12/13 team sucked ass. So what did Hinkle have to work with? Jrue, Turner and Young and one less first rounder. We aren't competing for anything if we draft Adams, keep those guys and don't draft MCW.

And yes Hinkie has done MUCH better than the previous regime. Its startling how many people don't know the shit show Hinkie walked into.

I really only see that shit show being that last year before Hinkie though.

 

[ericd7633]

I really only see that shit show being that last year before Hinkie though.

That's the most important one though because of how the roster was constructed and the overall lack of assets. Unless you honestly think the Sixers could have been competitive with a core of Jrue, Turner and Young, the only thing to do was blow it up, and try and acquire as many assets as possible. And even before that season they finished as the 8th seed, 7th seed, 13th seed and 6th seed(with a .500 record) in the Eastern Conference the previous 4 years, not like the Sixers were lighting it up or anything.

 

[shopson67]

The current structure of the team is entirely due to Hinkie.

Not true. Simmons and Luwawu are Colangelo picks. Henderson, Bayless, Rodriquez, Paul, Long, Webb III are Colangelo signings. That's 8 players added since Hinkie left (a few may not make the 15 man roster though). You could argue that Simmons was the target all along regardless of GM, but that's still 7 more players, including 3 important vet signings and a 1st round pick in Luwawu.

 

[shopson67]

That's the most important one though because of how the roster was constructed and the overall lack of assets. Unless you honestly think the Sixers could have been competitive with a core of Jrue, Turner and Young, the only thing to do was blow it up, and try and acquire as many assets as possible. And even before that season they finished as the 8th seed, 7th seed, 13th seed and 6th seed(with a .500 record) in the Eastern Conference the previous 4 years, not like the Sixers were lighting it up or anything.

Do you see a clear path for this team to even get back to an 8 seed? Not without trading away some of the roster duplication and eventually luring better free agents.

 

[knowyourenemy]

I do. I think they "should" win at least 35 games. Better coaching, better system, etc. I really don't believe the ESPN ranking that they'll finish last in the West and be in the worst 3 again.

I think they will be improved, and will move out of the bottom 3, but I can't see 35 wins for them. If they were in the East, I'd say it's possible (and it's why I think the 76ers have a better chance than the Lakers of hitting 30+ wins).

But I guess we will see. If Walton wins more than 35 games in L.A. this season, he should be a coach of the year candidate.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Not true. Simmons and Luwawu are Colangelo picks. Henderson, Bayless, Rodriquez, Paul, Long, Webb III are Colangelo signings. That's 8 players added since Hinkie left (a few may not make the 15 man roster though). You could argue that Simmons was the target all along regardless of GM, but that's still 7 more players, including 3 important vet signings and a 1st round pick in Luwawu.

You can't just argue that Simmons was the target all along. He was the target all along. While Luwawu is a nice addition, as are some of the veteran signings, the core of this team has Hinkie's fingerprints all over it. Not just the current players but also all of the draft picks (including the one BC used to take Luwawu) that will hopefully contribute to sustained success going forward.

There's no doubt that, going forward, this is BC's team. He's now charged with figuring out how to put all the pieces together. But pretty much all of the pieces of the puzzle are there because Hinkie put them there.

 

[shopson67]

I think they will be improved, and will move out of the bottom 3, but I can't see 35 wins for them. If they were in the East, I'd say it's possible (and it's why I think the 76ers have a better chance than the Lakers of hitting 30+ wins).

Take off those Sixers colored glasses, lol.

BTW, the West was only 14 games over .500 last year vs the East, down from 76 games in 14/15, 118 games in 13/14, and 74 games in 12/13.

 

[shopson67]

You can't just argue that Simmons was the target all along. He was the target all along. While Luwawu is a nice addition, as are some of the veteran signings, the core of this team has Hinkie's fingerprints all over it. Not just the current players but also all of the draft picks (including the one BC used to take Luwawu) that will hopefully contribute to sustained success going forward.

There's no doubt that, going forward, this is BC's team. He's now charged with figuring out how to put all the pieces together. But pretty much all of the pieces of the puzzle are there because Hinkie put them there.

My point is that Hinkie's fingerprints are not a good thing. He gave you 3 centers and and forward (Saric) that will sit behind Simmons. The backcourt Hinkie left was atrocious.