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[skinsdad62]

Redskins GM explains why the team didn’t reach a long-term deal with Kirk Cousins

this is what GMSM has to say about it . its about the asking price

 

[skinsdad62]

The Kirk Cousins contract situation commanded the bulk of the attention this offseason for the Washington Redskins. But their starting quarterback is not the only key player who enters the 2016 season playing in the last year of a deal.

As of now, the Redskins have about $40 million in available cap space for 2017. But there are four other players who could be in line for big paydays after this season:

Defensive end Chris Baker: In this ESPN Insider piece, Baker was called the Redskins’ most underrated player, which is probably the truth. Baker played very well last season and will command a raise (his base salary is $2.7 million this season with a cap hit of $4 million). Considering the Redskins don’t have too much along the line to build around, it would be tough to let Baker get away.

Junior Galette: He’s playing on a one-year deal but coming off an Achilles tear that cost him all of 2015. His progress reports from the spring were encouraging, but we’ll get to fully see where he is in training camp. If Galette regains his form, it’s easy to see him having a good year -- and then he’ll be expensive to re-sign. It will be interesting to see what happens if Preston Smith has a big year too. Would they still pay Galette big money to return? But know this: He plays a premium position, and the Redskins absolutely want as many pass-rushers as they can find. As we will see this season, the Redskins can use Galette, Smith and Ryan Kerrigan in many ways, so it’s not as if having all three will severely limit one of them.

Receivers Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson: I’ll lump them together because they play the same position. It’s hard to imagine the Redskins signing both players, especially if they perform to previous levels. So it’s conceivable that they only re-sign one of them after this season. But a lot of that depends on the development of first-round pick Josh Doctson and slot receiver Jamison Crowder, among others. Would those two players, plus tight end Jordan Reed, be enough of a nucleus for the passing game?

If the Redskins believe Doctson can be a No. 1 target in 2017, then there’s no reason to pay big money to keep others around. But Garcon and Jackson both offer value: Garcon’s toughness is welcomed, as is Jackson’s speed.

But if the Redskins end up, say, re-signing Baker and Galette as well as Cousins, then it might be tough to keep one or both of the other receivers. The conundrum for Washington could be this: It knows Cousins needs to be surrounded by talent to succeed, but will it be able to keep all that talent? The receivers should be a big strength this season; letting your top two wideouts walk could certainly hurt (depending, of course, on how you replace them).

here is another view .

 

[deanpet21]

Redskins GM explains why the team didn’t reach a long-term deal with Kirk Cousins

this is what GMSM has to say about it . its about the asking price

I think SM is getting too cute here. We paid Reed and Norman after one year of success but when it comes to the QB he doesn't. We will end of paying more IMO for KC.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I think SM is getting too cute here. We paid Reed and Norman after one year of success but when it comes to the QB he doesn't. We will end of paying more IMO for KC.

If Cousins' agent was asking for a mega deal I can't necessarily disagree with them. Leave your heart out of this one - we don't 100% know if Cousins will thrive on this team moving forward. With that in mind I could see them wanting to wait and see. I still think that they will work this out. If they pay a bit more so be it. I am not going to worry about - I am going to try and enjoy the upcoming season.

 

[deanpet21]

If Cousins' agent was asking for a mega deal I can't necessarily disagree with them. Leave your heart out of this one - we don't 100% know if Cousins will thrive on this team moving forward. With that in mind I could see them wanting to wait and see. I still think that they will work this out. If they pay a bit more so be it. I am not going to worry about - I am going to try and enjoy the upcoming season.

I agree. I was just saying.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think SM is getting too cute here. We paid Reed and Norman after one year of success but when it comes to the QB he doesn't. We will end of paying more IMO for KC.

i agree we will pay more for KC if he does what i think he will

 

[j_y19]

i agree we will pay more for KC if he does what i think he will

We pay more in the first few years, maybe. But by the end of his long term contract, his salary will look like a great deal. I just don't get the major sweat everyone is having about paying KC so much if he does well. Isn't that a good problem to have? It sure beats paying him too much if we would have locked him up and he reverts back to old KC and turns out not to be a franchise QB. I don't believe that is going to happen, but no sensible person could completely rule it out.

 

[Sharkinva]

We pay more in the first few years, maybe. But by the end of his long term contract, his salary will look like a great deal. I just don't get the major sweat everyone is having about paying KC so much if he does well. Isn't that a good problem to have? It sure beats paying him too much if we would have locked him up and he reverts back to old KC and turns out not to be a franchise QB. I don't believe that is going to happen, but no sensible person could completely rule it out.

Here is the problem. Had we locked him up now, we were likely looking at $45-50 million guaranteed over five years. It also meant we could realistically take the QB hunt off the table for a minimum of this year and next year. His cap number for this year would have likely been $4-6 million less than the $20 we are paying him.

If he performs to the level most of us hope ( still think some people dont want to see this) then his gauranteed money likely goes from that $50 million tops to around $75 to 80. Making next years hit closer to $20 million again. Signing him now, even if it meant a possible over pay might have actually been better for the team considering we also will need to sign Baker, maybe Gallette and Im sure there will be other expenses. IF he gets tagged or a long term deal next year, it will eat half our cap space.

But whats done is done. For all the good words we hear coming from both sides, as i have stated before 80% of the players who play on the tag, end up else where the following season. I dont expect Kirk to be in the 20% who get a long term deal with the team after playing under the tag.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Scot obviously thinks the QB contract 'market' is over inflated (most of us do so that's not surprising).

Seems to me the question is NOT that a QB is likely to be overpaid, question is which teams are going to overpay and what is the $$ breaking point for a franchise to get a LTD done.

Philly and Houston deals really F'd the market this year. Luck rounded out the high end.

Who knows if the market will correct itself. My guess is no, so even more important to get it right when it comes to a LTD and your QB.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

For the record @Sharkinva

Burgundy Blog agrees with your take that not signing Kirk this year likely to bite the Skins in the ass down the road.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Actually think a lot of people outside of the DC market are of this opinion myself

 

[deanpet21]

Scot obviously thinks the QB contract 'market' is over inflated (most of us do so that's not surprising).

Seems to me the question is NOT that a QB is likely to be overpaid, question is which teams are going to overpay and what is the $$ breaking point for a franchise to get a LTD done.

Philly and Houston deals really F'd the market this year. Luck rounded out the high end.

Who knows if the market will correct itself. My guess is no, so even more important to get it right when it comes to a LTD and your QB.

The market doesn't correct itself. Salaries will keep getting higher and higher. QB salaries are not going down. Could you imagine is SM let KC become a UFA? All hell would of broken loose.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

The market doesn't correct itself. Salaries will keep getting higher and higher. QB salaries are not going down. Could you imagine is SM let KC become a UFA? All hell would of broken loose.

Market is a product of supply and demand, so in terms of certain positions I agree with you.

 

[Sharkinva]

Scot obviously thinks the QB contract 'market' is over inflated (most of us do so that's not surprising).

Seems to me the question is NOT that a QB is likely to be overpaid, question is which teams are going to overpay and what is the $$ breaking point for a franchise to get a LTD done.

Philly and Houston deals really F'd the market this year. Luck rounded out the high end.

Who knows if the market will correct itself. My guess is no, so even more important to get it right when it comes to a LTD and your QB.

Cali... I look at player salaries like going to buy a car or anything else.... the MSRP from year to year NEVER goes down. The only way Kirk comes in at less than market is if he performs to a level where we likely dont want to sign him long term any way. We probably could have gotten a deal done for less than what Luck got this year. But next year, if Kirk performs, I think the Luck deal becomes the starting point of negotiations. And goes up from there.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

But next year, if Kirk performs, I think the Luck deal becomes the starting point of negotiations. And goes up from there.

Possibly, but only if a playoff game(s) are won, IMO.

Franchise tag value is more likely the starting point.

Seems the Skins position is pretty much this...

 

[Sharkinva]

Possibly, but only if a playoff game(s) are won, IMO.

Franchise tag value is more likely the starting point.

Seems the Skins position is pretty much this...

Which is why i say $50 million guaranteed is the floor for any talks next year. They will base it off of what it will cost to franchise him in 2017 plus 2018

$24 million for 2017 tag
$28.8 million if we had to tag him again in 2018

$52.8 million and I figure he will give us a $2.8 million home town discount.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Which is why i say $50 million guaranteed is the floor for any talks next year. They will base it off of what it will cost to franchise him in 2017 plus 2018

$24 million for 2017 tag
$28.8 million if we had to tag him again in 2018

$52.8 million and I figure he will give us a $2.8 million home town discount.

I was talking Lucks contract as a starting point. Wasn't his 87 mill guaranteed?

 

[Sharkinva]

I was talking Lucks contract as a starting point. Wasn't his 87 mill guaranteed?

Nope $47 fully guaranteed

Andrew Luck Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap

Total Value: $122,970,000 (avg. $24,594,000/year; $47,000,000 fully guaranteed)

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Nope $47 fully guaranteed

Andrew Luck Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap

Total Value: $122,970,000 (avg. $24,594,000/year; $47,000,000 fully guaranteed)

These contracts always confuse in terms of what's real and not real. The 47 mill is year one right? Add 25 mill, five days into year 2? Isn't that exactly why the Skins chose to go franchise tag this year?

Look, you know salary stuff way better than I. So perhaps that will be the base next year

But Kirk will have had a great year if it is. And I'm ok with that result.

 

[Sharkinva]

These contracts always confuse in terms of what's real and not real. The 47 mill is year one right? Add 25 mill, five days into year 2? Isn't that exactly why the Skins chose to go franchise tag this year?

Look, you know salary stuff way better than I. So perhaps that will be the base next year

But Kirk will have had a great year if it is. And I'm ok with that result.

The $47 million consists of $32 million dollar Signing Bonus spread over 5 years of the deal... $6.4 million a year against the cap.

Base Salary Year 1 of $12 million, $12 million of that fully guaranteed

32 and 12 is 44 million

Year 2 is a base salary of $7 million, $3 million fully guaranteed

That give you the $47 million guaranteed.

Real cap numbers of $18.4 in year one, $19.4 in year two

In year three, if they cut him, it would save $5.2 MIllion against the cap.