Eagles Have 83 Million Invested In Their QB's

[Rockinkuwait]

I don't really care about Lurie's net worth so i'm not sure why that was brought up. Flynn got the money cause multiple teams were buying for his bid and Seattle won it. He was penciled in the starter but Wilson proved other wise. This is about bad contract signings and the Eagles have two of them at the QB position. I give them props for getting their QB of the future and hope it works out but I think they could have gotten Bradford and Daniels on cheaper contracts at the start of FA.

Like I said this deal was a lot closer to Whitehurst than Flynn. And it's funny how all of a sudden you think Bradford is this healthy 16 game franchise QB that has a lock on the starting QB position. When did that revision happen? Daniels wasn't paid starter money.

The reason I brought up Lurie is that is the only negative effect here. Like I said, this year the Eagles were able to re-sign who they wanted, add who they wanted, and still have plenty of cap space for rookies and more late camp moves..

If this is a big deal, it's because Lurie is spending money he could be saving in his wallet. That seems to be your issue, is that he spent more of his money than you think he had to. I don't know what other offers were out there any more than you from the other 3 teams that contacted him. If you can tell me their offers, then we can determine what is too much. It's kind of funny, how people seem to know this better than the actual GM's based on.... oh yeah, nothing at all. Like all those saying "Oh Brock should take that Denver deal, it's fine.." and in actuality we saw it wasn't close to his real value.

But if 7 mil a year gets Daniels to show Wentz the system he will be running and 5 mil doesn't... I am ok with 2 mil more invested in a position that could greatly influence how well Wentz adapts to the NFL and Pederson's system.

 

[jarntt]

They made a TON of great moves this off season. The one for Wentz is pending. If he's a stud it was a great move but the front office did a great job this off season.

When you are paid to be the GM and build an NFL franchise you need to have a vision for what you want to do with your team. It's not about justifying each individual move in a vacuum it's about how they all fit together. It's about putting a plan in place and following it. There is noway you can look at how they handled the QB situation as a whole in a cap world and say it wasn't dumb. I'm not even killing them on Wentz. What I think was asinine was them trading everything they did for Wentz after signing the other two. So either signing both of the other two was a bad move or moving up for Wentz was. Basically it comes down to there is no need for both of Daniels and Bradford on the team and in a cap world at those salaries, that leaves a mark even if it is just this year. It just reeks of GMing by the seat of your pants without seeing the big picture IMO.

 

[jarntt]

Agree, and if it doesn't... well it's the one position I am fine with them trying for. It's funny how many die hard Bradford fans appeared throughout the league when Philly moved up for Wentz.

Huh? Bradford sucks. Philly was dumb for paying him again. Isn't that part of the basis for this thread
You'd be much better off right now with Daniels, Wentz and an OL instead of Bradford IMO

 

[Manster7588]

Huh? Bradford sucks. Philly was dumb for paying him again. Isn't that part of the basis for this thread
You'd be much better off right now with Daniels, Wentz and an OL instead of Bradford IMO

Yep the money Bradford got should have gone to OL or DB.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Two QBs most likely to go down are Romo and Bradford, so odds Bradford is eligible to be traded are slim.

Yep I'm sure Vegas odd makers have them at the top of the list not able to finish the regular season out...

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Serious question - How many division 2 QB's have actually panned out in the NFL? I don't know the answer. The only one that is note worthy that I can think of is Steve McNair (RIP). I know there is more that I am missing.

I can't believe I missed Kurt Warner. Duh.

Although he played arena league before he was given a shot.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Huh? Bradford sucks. Philly was dumb for paying him again. Isn't that part of the basis for this thread
You'd be much better off right now with Daniels, Wentz and an OL instead of Bradford IMO

I am saying it's kinda funny how many people sit there and are saying going for a QB was such a bad idea when they already had Bradford. I was fine re-upping Bradford, whatever, we have the money, that isn't an issue unless you too are really really worried about Luries net worth. At the time, getting him and a young QB that the staff likes seemed like the best option out there (not sold on outbidding the Texans for Osweiler, Kaepernick RGIII any better.

Obviously when the opportunity arose for Wentz that was the best available move, which wasn't available before that. I am glad that they didn't let the moves they already made affect their decision to get the best player for the QB position that they saw available.

I think the basis of this thread is a faulty investment number (which is wrong, a lot less guaranteed) and that Lurie should watch his money better.. Which I could care less about.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

I can't believe I missed Kurt Warner. Duh.

Although he played arena league before he was given a shot.

Jon Kitna was another, JT O'Sullivan the only other I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Manster7588]

Jon Kitna was another, JT O'Sullivan the only other I can think of off the top of my head.

WHO?

 

[Rockinkuwait]

WHO?

Really late round pick... His only real playing was when he knew the Martz system and got some starts in SF with that when he beat out Alex Smith that year. Started hot but cooled pretty quickly. Just one of the guys I remember, he went to some small school in California.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

But their team friendly contracts.

$12 mil for Daniels still makes zero sense imo. Barring injury, he may never take a meaningful snap.

 

[jarntt]

I am saying it's kinda funny how many people sit there and are saying going for a QB was such a bad idea when they already had Bradford. I was fine re-upping Bradford, whatever, we have the money, that isn't an issue unless you too are really really worried about Luries net worth. At the time, getting him and a young QB that the staff likes seemed like the best option out there (not sold on outbidding the Texans for Osweiler, Kaepernick RGIII any better.

Obviously when the opportunity arose for Wentz that was the best available move, which wasn't available before that. I am glad that they didn't let the moves they already made affect their decision to get the best player for the QB position that they saw available.

I think the basis of this thread is a faulty investment number (which is wrong, a lot less guaranteed) and that Lurie should watch his money better.. Which I could care less about.

I think the basis of the thread is WTF are the Eagles doing at QB and why do they now have 3 guys they have made big investments in and all of them seem like a poor option for 2016

Second vote goes to why aren't they using some of that net worth you keep bringing up on another position...

 

[Rockinkuwait]

$12 mil for Daniels still makes zero sense imo. Barring injury, he may never take a meaningful snap.

NOW yes… Just like NOW, paying almost double that for Russell Wilsons backup makes no sense.

When they signed him, that was for a guy to compete with a QB who is injury prone and coming off a bad year as the starter or QB of their future. Once they found the chance to get a better option, his role changed.


If he doesn't play after signing that deal because Wentz is a great QB, I probably will cry about that deal as much as you do about Pittsburgh giving that big extension to Maddox the year they drafted Big Ben. Not really a point of care if he isn't needed because the other QB is doing fine.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

NOW yes… Just like NOW, paying almost double that for Russell Wilsons backup makes no sense.

When they signed him, that was for a guy to compete with a QB who is injury prone and coming off a bad year as the starter or QB of their future. Once they found the chance to get a better option, his role changed.


If he doesn't play after signing that deal because Wentz is a great QB, I probably will cry about that deal as much as you do about Pittsburgh giving that big extension to Maddox the year they drafted Big Ben. Not really a point of care if he isn't needed because the other QB is doing fine.

Even before the draft...3/$21/$12 for a back up is too steep imo...now, if they had tossed the oft injured guy to the curb and brought him in at that same rate...makes more sense.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

When you are paid to be the GM and build an NFL franchise you need to have a vision for what you want to do with your team. It's not about justifying each individual move in a vacuum it's about how they all fit together. It's about putting a plan in place and following it. There is noway you can look at how they handled the QB situation as a whole in a cap world and say it wasn't dumb. I'm not even killing them on Wentz. What I think was asinine was them trading everything they did for Wentz after signing the other two. So either signing both of the other two was a bad move or moving up for Wentz was. Basically it comes down to there is no need for both of Daniels and Bradford on the team and in a cap world at those salaries, that leaves a mark even if it is just this year. It just reeks of GMing by the seat of your pants without seeing the big picture IMO.

Spot on...either, or works, but both? Don't get that.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

I think the basis of the thread is WTF are the Eagles doing at QB and why do they now have 3 guys they have made big investments in and all of them seem like a poor option for 2016

Second vote goes to why aren't they using some of that net worth you keep bringing up on another position...

They did... they actually were pretty active. signed 3 DB's which was a huge hole, a new guard which was... re-signed quite a few key guys long term.

Maybe they could have ignored the QB position on the quest to "win free agency" again instead.. I am ok not making that a priority when talking about starting a top rookie QB. See how the guys you have do in the new system first, see what you need to build around your young QB first before going and blowing it all away.

 

[jarntt]

They did... they actually were pretty active. signed 3 DB's which was a huge hole, a new guard which was... re-signed quite a few key guys long term.

Maybe they could have ignored the QB position on the quest to "win free agency" again instead.. I am ok not making that a priority when talking about starting a top rookie QB. See how the guys you have do in the new system first, see what you need to build around your young QB first before going and blowing it all away.

LOL...yeah, that's what everyone is saying

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Even before the draft...3/$21/$12 for a back up is too steep imo...now, if they had tossed the oft injured guy to the curb and brought him in at that same rate...makes more sense.

I thought he was going to be competing for the starting job at the time... Again, I could care less if we have ample cap space for the deal (we did and do still). Sure looking back today you can say that was a bad deal. But at the time, going all in on Chase wasn't enough for me (not sure why you think it is).. bring in a QB to bridge if that doesn't work, and since they could easily afford Sam under their cap, I am ok with him being the one based on who was out there.

Again, that's fine... Lurie lost some money. meh.

 

[Manster7588]

Really late round pick... His only real playing was when he knew the Martz system and got some starts in SF with that when he beat out Alex Smith that year. Started hot but cooled pretty quickly. Just one of the guys I remember, he went to some small school in California.

The question was D2 QB's who panned out. JT was nothing more than a backup, if Wentz pans out like JT did the Eagles are in a lot of hurt.

 

[jarntt]

Again. I'm not condemning any of the 3 QB moves although I honesty feel all 3 were poor choices, but they can be defended on their own. The point is doing all 3 is just dumb IMO. Any one of the 3, OK. Even two of the three isn't horrible. But all 3 just don't make sense. Where are they going?