Series Thread: 4 Atlanta Hawks (48-34) vs. 1 Cleveland Cavaliers (57-25)

[WiggyRuss]

let me help ya out

here is the last para you copied and pasted:

The Cavs could've stopped right there, deal Varejao and call it a deadline. It was an option on the table. An option that made major sense. They were in first place. They were deep at every position. They were still facing paying $27 million in luxury tax, still far and away the most in the league.


lets keep going, LOL

Now it was 2016, and Frye and the Cavs were moving into alignment again. Griffin was competing with the Los Angeles Clippers to get Frye from the Magic. Griffin could get him for a second-round pick -- the Magic preferred the Cavs' deal -- but the catch was the Cavs had to swallow Frye's contract.

Since Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005, he'd spent a total of $50 million in luxury tax. There are 20 other teams who haven't paid a total of $28 million in tax (Frye was also owed the balance of his salary that got the total investment to that $32 million number) this deal was going to cost in their franchise histories.

Would Frye, who averaged five points and three rebounds for the Magic, really make a difference?

The answer came Friday night when he scored 27 points off the bench as the Cavs took a 3-0 series lead on the Atlanta Hawks. Mike Budenholzer, the Hawks' outstanding coach, tried a strategy change to double team the Cavs' guards and stifle their 3-point shooting barrage they'd been leveling Atlanta with early in the series.

Having a player like Frye is indeed a luxury, the definition of the system in question. Gilbert, who attended the game, saw exactly where his money went.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

cmon...paste the rest of the article ya cherry picking nancy, LOL

instead of taking that HUGE LUXURY TAX SAVINGS- and stopping at just getting rid of Varejao----- the Cavs added an 8th man for MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS...

thats the difference man

Arison lets his MLE go unused...

while Gilbert spends tens of millions on the back end of his bench...its why The Cavs bench is deep- while the Heats bench is trash.

I copied every bit of the article except for the last paragraph, which added nothing.
As far as Arison, as Ive asked before,who was out there that made us better, let good enough to beat the Spurs?
Answer is still the same. NOBODY.

Also, its now just about "being cheap". Teams under the cap have several advantages as to what they can and can't do vs teams that are over the cap.
We're you aware of that?

 

[WiggyRuss]

I copied every bit of the article except for the last paragraph, which added nothing.

We're you aware of that?

LIE

i helped ya out though

no worries

here is the WHOLE article FYI

The Cavs and their $32 million Channing Frye decision

just shows how Gilbert is willing to spend boku bucks to make the end of his bench that much better in his quest for a title....

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

let me help ya out

here is the last para you copied and pasted:

The Cavs could've stopped right there, deal Varejao and call it a deadline. It was an option on the table. An option that made major sense. They were in first place. They were deep at every position. They were still facing paying $27 million in luxury tax, still far and away the most in the league.


lets keep going, LOL

Now it was 2016, and Frye and the Cavs were moving into alignment again. Griffin was competing with the Los Angeles Clippers to get Frye from the Magic. Griffin could get him for a second-round pick -- the Magic preferred the Cavs' deal -- but the catch was the Cavs had to swallow Frye's contract.

Since Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005, he'd spent a total of $50 million in luxury tax. There are 20 other teams who haven't paid a total of $28 million in tax (Frye was also owed the balance of his salary that got the total investment to that $32 million number) this deal was going to cost in their franchise histories.

Would Frye, who averaged five points and three rebounds for the Magic, really make a difference?

The answer came Friday night when he scored 27 points off the bench as the Cavs took a 3-0 series lead on the Atlanta Hawks. Mike Budenholzer, the Hawks' outstanding coach, tried a strategy change to double team the Cavs' guards and stifle their 3-point shooting barrage they'd been leveling Atlanta with early in the series.

Having a player like Frye is indeed a luxury, the definition of the system in question. Gilbert, who attended the game, saw exactly where his money went.

Actually there was more. I missed it originally cause there was a bunch of junk in between.
There was also this though.
Plus, I've never said Gilbert won't spend or go after whoever James wants while James is there.
He has zero choice.


When the Cavs announced the Frye deal, it was presented as a three-team trade with the Blazers and Magic. By moving Varejao and Jared Cunningham, a side player in the deal, and taking on Frye, the Cavs announced they'd saved $15 million in salary and tax this season.


This was true and a point of pride for Griffin, who perhaps felt the need to justify why he'd used a first-round pick to facilitate the deal. A trade that saved money and added a potentially useful player? That's a good trade deadline day indeed.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

LIE

i helped ya out though

no worries

here is the WHOLE article FYI

The Cavs and their $32 million Channing Frye decision

just shows how Gilbert is willing to spend boku bucks to make the end of his bench that much better in his quest for a title....

Have you figured out the advantages of being under the cap yet?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Actually there was more. I missed it originally cause there was a bunch of junk in between.
There was also this though.
Plus, I've never said Gilbert won't spend or go after whoever James wants while James is there.
He has zero choice.


When the Cavs announced the Frye deal, it was presented as a three-team trade with the Blazers and Magic. By moving Varejao and Jared Cunningham, a side player in the deal, and taking on Frye, the Cavs announced they'd saved $15 million in salary and tax this season.


This was true and a point of pride for Griffin, who perhaps felt the need to justify why he'd used a first-round pick to facilitate the deal. A trade that saved money and added a potentially useful player? That's a good trade deadline day indeed.

yah...i wouldnt have blamed gilbert if he stopped right there

he still woudlve been paying near 30M in luxury- tax- the most in the NBA this season

instead? he told Griffin to go get channing frye because this guy who was buried on the Magic bench was someone he thought could help.

too bad Riley couldnt have found someone like that with the Heats MLE exception LeBron's last year.....gotta give Griffin credit for finding a viable sweet-shooting rotation big on the Orlando Magic bench- and then Gilbert for taking on the ENORMOUS financial commitment that came with it....

could u imagine how helpful a guy like Frye would be on a team with an injured starting center- a team that isnt great at shooting the 3? ...who is like that? I can think of TWO teams currently playing in the East that couldve used him- and they just so happen to be playing eachother! .

but alas....not many teams have the deep pockets of Dan G....im sure its one of the MANY reasons why LeBron is in NEO.

 

[Heatles84]

Also, just to throw another wrench into Wiggy's parade. The Orlando Magic had a similar start in 2010 (swept the first 2 rounds). Until they met an older (not as reseted) Celtics in the ECF.

2010 NBA Playoffs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just to thwart Wiggy's constant rants about how the Cavs will be so much rested compared to the teams out West. It really doesn't mean shit.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Also, just to throw another wrench into Wiggy's parade. The Orlando Magic had a similar start in 2010 (swept the first 2 rounds). Until they met an older (not as reseted) Celtics in the ECF.

2010 NBA Playoffs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just to thwart Wiggy's constant rants about how the Cavs will be so much rested compared to the teams out West. It really doesn't mean shit.

i dont think rest means as much as health....

in the Finals especially- flying coast to coast there is ample time off between games

where the Cavs have advantages - i believe anyway- is playing less hard-contested playoff games. As we have all seen- guys get injured in the playoffs- its physical and taxing.

Id much rather have the Cavs play 12-14 games in the East- and mitigate their injury risk, then 16-20....i think their IS an advantage there


but i think you are right- as far as the finals go--- unless GSW and OKC or SAS really really go at it...rest wont be a big factor with the days off in the Finals...


now in the East?-- look at how the Raptors and Heat are beat to shit after a long series and what will look like another long series---- DEFINITELY an advantage there it would see doesnt it? maybe not- i guess its all in your opinion.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Also, just to throw another wrench into Wiggy's parade. The Orlando Magic had a similar start in 2010 (swept the first 2 rounds). Until they met an older (not as reseted) Celtics in the ECF.

2010 NBA Playoffs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just to thwart Wiggy's constant rants about how the Cavs will be so much rested compared to the teams out West. It really doesn't mean shit.

Healthy means more than rested.
So far the Cavs are both.
Problem is they don't have HC and are less talented.
If they can hit 20 3's a game, then maybe they pull it off.
I'm still very willing to bet against it....and Wiggy must agree.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

yah...i wouldnt have blamed gilbert if he stopped right there

he still woudlve been paying near 30M in luxury- tax- the most in the NBA this season

instead? he told Griffin to go get channing frye because this guy who was buried on the Magic bench was someone he thought could help.

too bad Riley couldnt have found someone like that with the Heats MLE exception LeBron's last year.....gotta give Griffin credit for finding a viable sweet-shooting rotation big on the Orlando Magic bench- and then Gilbert for taking on the ENORMOUS financial commitment that came with it....

could u imagine how helpful a guy like Frye would be on a team with an injured starting center- a team that isnt great at shooting the 3? ...who is like that? I can think of TWO teams currently playing in the East that couldve used him- and they just so happen to be playing eachother! .

but alas....not many teams have the deep pockets of Dan G....im sure its one of the MANY reasons why LeBron is in NEO.

Maybe we should have just kept Bird

Maybe Kreskin knew we'd lose Bosh/Whiteside.
The rest of us didn't.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Maybe we should have just kept Bird

Maybe Kreskin knew we'd lose Bosh/Whiteside.
The rest of us didn't.

maybe you shouldve spent LeBron's last year in Miami so he wouldnt have left and devastated the franchise

 

[LAD]

Also, just to throw another wrench into Wiggy's parade. The Orlando Magic had a similar start in 2010 (swept the first 2 rounds). Until they met an older (not as reseted) Celtics in the ECF.

2010 NBA Playoffs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just to thwart Wiggy's constant rants about how the Cavs will be so much rested compared to the teams out West. It really doesn't mean shit.

Especially since rest doesn't somehow mean they develop more talent...

Everyone already knew they would win both rounds and ATL couldn't possibly be any type of threat with no real system and no player that is consistent with, well, much of anything. it's the reason I already said this 2nd round with Cavs/ATL would be a sleeper.

But it will be a rude awakening for them. Right now they think they're ready because they haven't had much competition and because of that they look really good. They've been shooting jumpers and looking good because they're not playing a team that does that better than them. I certainly hope if they play GS that they continue to think they're a better jump shooting team- because they're not and that will be an advantage for GS. I can't wait.

 

[Black Adam]

yah regular season means nothing except if its a March loss against the Heat, lol.


Enjoy the JOURNEY MAN.....if you cant enjoy your team going 8-0 early in the playoffs then why even be a sports fan? Im having a helluva good time- and gotta tell ya--- probably will be for the better part of the next decad watching the Cavs.

"better part of the next DECADE" again...

thank you, Nostradamus...

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The Cavs did what they were supposed to do.

But, they deserve credit for ending both series early.

It's easy to have a letdown against a young, hungry team.

They didn't.

They stayed focused.

Despite all the injury crap, my Clippers choked.

The Blazers put the wood to their asses BEFORE Blake and Paul went down.

From a talent standpoint, The Clippers and the Raptors should have won in 5 or 6.

But, both Teams are mentally weak. We can't say that about the Cavs this post Season.

Cavs...on fire outside...if they keep shooting that well...idk, they could win the title. No doubt the win the east.

LAC...is it time to break that team up as well or did the injuries buy them another season? FWIW, I agree the Blazers were smacking them around before the glamour boys went down.

ATL...I question why coach Bud didn't play Humphries, and Hardaway Jr. more but the reality is, they just don't have the horses to play with CLE. He's head case, but I wouldn't mind seeing Cousins instead of Horford.

MIA...everybody is talking about LJ vs his old team, but they might be in some trouble...Raptors look more balanced and seem to be playing with a lot of confidence.

The series I'm most interested in now, is SA vs OKC...this one could go 7.

 

[gordontrue]

I've seen nothing to make me think they can beat the WC champ, and especially without HCA.

If the Mavs took the Spurs to 7 games and the Rockets took a healthy Warriors team to 7 and the Cavs won by 35 points every single game you'd be saying the same exact thing... so whether or not you've "seen something" at this point doesn't mean much.

 

[Black Adam]

Healthy means more than rested.
So far the Cavs are both.
Problem is they don't have HC and are less talented.
If they can hit 20 3's a game, then maybe they pull it off.
I'm still very willing to bet against it....and Wiggy must agree.

considering he hasn't put his money where his mouth is yet I see exactly where you're comin' from...

 

[gordontrue]

Also, just to throw another wrench into Wiggy's parade. The Orlando Magic had a similar start in 2010 (swept the first 2 rounds). Until they met an older (not as reseted) Celtics in the ECF.

2010 NBA Playoffs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just to thwart Wiggy's constant rants about how the Cavs will be so much rested compared to the teams out West. It really doesn't mean shit.

I'm surprised you didn't go with 2009.

Cavs swept the Pistons and Hawks and looked like worldbeaters doing it (sound familiar?)... then lost in 6 to a team from Florida.

Going forward, the first 8 games mean nothing. Cavs need to stay 100% focused on the winner of the TOR/MIA series. Hopefully LeBron uses 2009 as a teaching moment for his teammates.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Especially since rest doesn't somehow mean they develop more talent...

Everyone already knew they would win both rounds and ATL couldn't possibly be any type of threat with no real system and no player that is consistent with, well, much of anything. it's the reason I already said this 2nd round with Cavs/ATL would be a sleeper.

But it will be a rude awakening for them. Right now they think they're ready because they haven't had much competition and because of that they look really good. They've been shooting jumpers and looking good because they're not playing a team that does that better than them. I certainly hope if they play GS that they continue to think they're a better jump shooting team- because they're not and that will be an advantage for GS. I can't wait.

CLE...You might be spot on...you are spot on about the lack of competition so far, but GS us going to have to work to get out this series...if Curry doesn't come back full blast idk about them winning the west yet...I need to see him back in there.

 

[Black Adam]

maybe you shouldve spent LeBron's last year in Miami so he wouldnt have left and devastated the franchise

"devastated the franchise"...?

wow, I know you're trash talking here, but imo they seem to have bounced back rather nicely...and i'm guessing they aren't quite through yet...

might wanna keep that in check...

 

[Black Adam]

Especially since rest doesn't somehow mean they develop more talent...

Everyone already knew they would win both rounds and ATL couldn't possibly be any type of threat with no real system and no player that is consistent with, well, much of anything. it's the reason I already said this 2nd round with Cavs/ATL would be a sleeper.

But it will be a rude awakening for them. Right now they think they're ready because they haven't had much competition and because of that they look really good. They've been shooting jumpers and looking good because they're not playing a team that does that better than them. I certainly hope if they play GS that they continue to think they're a better jump shooting team- because they're not and that will be an advantage for GS. I can't wait.

me either. know why? this'll be the sound of Wiggy's post a day after the last game of the finals when/if the Cavs lose again...