2015-16 NBA Eastern Conference OFFICIAL THREAD

[trojanfan12]

I don't think they would expect to win titles with that tandem. It is just to get them going in the right direction in order to build a title contender.

You're way too concerned about his passing numbers for a center. Are they low? Yes? Do I care? Hell no

Exactly. If everything falls perfectly in place and the Lakers manage to pull off getting Durant and Whiteside and then somehow get Westbrook the next year (as some have crazily suggested), then they could be back in title contention almost immediately.

However, assuming the above doesn't happen, which I seriously doubt it will, then I don't think Whiteside/DeRozan would be a bad step in moving back towards relevancy.

It would remind me of the 90's rebuild when they went through guys like Vlade Divac, Elden Campbell, Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel to get back into the playoffs. That ended up leading to Shaq/Kobe. None of those guys were still with the team when the Lakers started winning championships, but I don't think the 5 titles in the 2000's happen without them having been on the team.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don't think they would expect to win titles with that tandem. It is just to get them going in the right direction in order to build a title contender.

You're way too concerned about his passing numbers for a center. Are they low? Yes? Do I care? Hell no

they are not "low"- and you know that. They are at a level that suggests abject incompetence. he averages LESS then 1 assist per 3 games. There have been more yetti sightings than Whiteside assists.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Then you just continue to show that you have no clue. It doesn't matter why he doesn't have much experience. The fact is that he doesn't. Whether he was a late bloomer physically or mentally, doesn't matter and doesn't change his level of NBA experience. Playing in podunk leagues overseas doesn't equal NBA experience either. The level of play in most conferences in college is better than what's in some of those overseas leagues.

Whatever his issues were that kept him out of the league appear to be a thing of the past, so now he's getting experience and seems to be starting to fulfill his potential.

Expecting a guy who is basically a rookie to perform like a veteran is just stupid, regardless of the reason for his inexperience.

only you guys could say a guy is "basically a rookie" at 26 years old after having played in the NBA- been constructively black balled for a number of years- and then came back at the beginning of last y ear to play.

playing in 108 games over 4 seasons in the NBA is hardly to me anyway, "basically a rookie"....dont know what your guys definition is.

 

[bksballer89]

they are not "low"- and you know that. They are at a level that suggests abject incompetence. he averages LESS then 1 assist per 3 games. There have been more yetti sightings than Whiteside assists.

Great. I could careless how many assist my Center avgs. I never looked at the number of assist any centers avgs because it is not relevant. Their job is to score, rebound, and block shots. That's like you analyzing how many blocks Chris Paul is avging. It is irrelevant to their production. Also it should be taking into consideration that most of his points come on lobs, putbacks, offensive rebounds, and etc.

 

[trojanfan12]

only you guys could say a guy is "basically a rookie" at 26 years old after having played in the NBA- been constructively black balled for a number of years- and then came back at the beginning of last y ear to play.

playing in 108 games over 4 seasons in the NBA is hardly to me anyway, "basically a rookie"....dont know what your guys definition is.

Only you would expect a guy with barely a seasons worth of experience to come in and perform like a vet. 108 NBA games amounts to less than 1.5 seasons. Apparently, math isn't your thing either.

Also, he didn't really start seeing any significant playing time in the NBA until last year.

And once again, why he doesn't have the experience of other 26 year olds in the NBA doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have the experience and doesn't make expecting him to play like a veteran any less stupid.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Great. I could careless how many assist my Center avgs. I never looked at the number of assist any centers avgs because it is not relevant. Their job is to score, rebound, and block shots. That's like you analyzing how many blocks Chris Paul is avging. It is irrelevant to their production. Also it should be taking into consideration that most of his points come on lobs, putbacks, offensive rebounds, and etc.

i certainly never said centers are known for assists- certainly if your center had 7 assists a night that would be beyond strange--- but the BEST centers- even guys that are big and physical like Shaq- knew how to pass the ball, Marc Gasol- almost 4 assists a game, DeMarcus Cousins 2.8...even DRUMMONd 0.8 (which is almost 3x more than whiteside), Horford 3 apg, DeAndre Jordan 1 apg, Lopez 1.6 apg

by no means do you need to have 3-4 assist per game to be a great NBA center- though many of the best do.....

however- I have NEVER seen anything like 0.3 apg, which is a HUGe improvement on 0.1 apg last year.. LAST YEAR WHITESIDE WOULD GET ABOUT 1 ASSIST PER TEN GAMES PLAYED!!!!

Now i dont care if Kyrie Irving only gets 2-3 rebounds per game--- but if he got 0.3 rebounds per game- it would be a very strong indicator that there is something very wrong going on- because it is HISTORICALLY bad- like among the worst in the history of the league bad for a guy who is a supposed "dominant player"

 

[trojanfan12]

Also it should be taking into consideration that most of his points come on lobs, putbacks, offensive rebounds, and etc.

So, essentially a guy who will play excellent defense, rebound the ball and manages to average 12.3 points per game without having plays run for him? Yeah, who the hell wants a guy like that on their team?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Only you would expect a guy with barely a seasons worth of experience to come in and perform like a vet. 108 NBA games amounts to less than 1.5 seasons. Apparently, math isn't your thing either.

Also, he didn't really start seeing any significant playing time in the NBA until last year.

And once again, why he doesn't have the experience of other 26 year olds in the NBA doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have the experience and doesn't make expecting him to play like a veteran any less stupid.

im not asking him to "play like a vet"- i was merely pointing out that- posting up- Whiteside is the least efficient player in the NBa, and he is the worst passing big man - possibly in the history of the NBA that got consistent run. I have no expectations he would be among the best in the league at this things- but i do think it is highly negatie to him that he is BEYOND awful- in fact- the worst in the league at these things.

 

[WiggyRuss]

So, essentially a guy who will play excellent defense, rebound the ball and manages to average 12.3 points per game without having plays run for him? Yeah, who the hell wants a guy like that on their team?

well from what I have just seen posted just today indicates he has played excellent, impactful defense for about a month or two. give him a max though. good luck.

 

[WiggyRuss]

want to give a max contract to a center who was :

A. blackballed from the league for a period of years because of attitude issues
B. is one of the worst passing big men in the history of the NBA
C. is one of the, if not the worst, big man at converting post up opportunities
D. has teammates and fans alike saying that he worries about his stats at the expense of the team at times
E. is the best in the NBA at blocking shots
F. Is one of the 10 best rebounders in the NBA
G. Has never proved he can handle being a guy that his team relies upon and has never had a bigtime moment in his career.

pay him 20 + million a year..good luck.

 

[trojanfan12]

im not asking him to "play like a vet"- i was merely pointing out that- posting up- Whiteside is the least efficient player in the NBa, and he is the worst passing big man - possibly in the history of the NBA that got consistent run. I have no expectations he would be among the best in the league at this things- but i do think it is highly negatie to him that he is BEYOND awful- in fact- the worst in the league at these things.

Yes, you are. You're criticizing him because he hasn't developed the skills of a veteran player. There really isn't a single criticism that you've made of him that isn't something that experience won't fix as long as he continues to develop as he is.

Btw, DeAndre Jordan averages 0.5 assists per game for his career and is averaging 1.0 assists this season and is making max money. He has had season averages of 0.2 assists once and 0.3 assists 3 times. This is also the first season he has averaged as many as 1.0 assists. He also averages fewer points and blocks this year than Whiteside.

Shaq is considered one of the better passing centers in history and only averaged 2.5 assists per game for his career.

It's hilarious that you are so desperate to disparage Whiteside (because he's proving you wrong) that you are focusing on arguably the least important part of a centers game. Like bks said, it would be like criticizing CP3 for not blocking shots.

 

[trojanfan12]

well from what I have just seen posted just today indicates he has played excellent, impactful defense for about a month or two. give him a max though. good luck.

Yet another dumbass post in which you are expecting him to play like a vet.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yet another dumbass post in which you are expecting him to play like a vet.

oh yah...only long time vets can provide positive impacts on defense. lol

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yes, you are. You're criticizing him because he hasn't developed the skills of a veteran player. There really isn't a single criticism that you've made of him that isn't something that experience won't fix as long as he continues to develop as he is.

Btw, DeAndre Jordan averages 0.5 assists per game for his career and is averaging 1.0 assists this season and is making max money. He has had season averages of 0.2 assists once and 0.3 assists 3 times. This is also the first season he has averaged as many as 1.0 assists. He also averages fewer points and blocks this year than Whiteside.

Shaq is considered one of the better passing centers in history and only averaged 2.5 assists per game for his career.

It's hilarious that you are so desperate to disparage Whiteside (because he's proving you wrong) that you are focusing on arguably the least important part of a centers game. Like bks said, it would be like criticizing CP3 for not blocking shots.

ONLY on the assists?

the Heat guy on here just had a post where it said the only positive defense impact as it relates to ACTUAL CONTRIBUTIONS ON THE FLOOR- were by Whiteside over the passed month!!! LOL.

its just unbelievable to me....i mean- we shall see before too long- go ahead- sign this guy to a huge deal- whoever;s team does so is going to regret it for a LOOOONG TIME.

 

[trojanfan12]

A. blackballed from the league for a period of years because of attitude issues

Your only legit point.

B. is one of the worst passing big men in the history of the NBA

DeAndre Jordan (making max money) has been just as bad.

C. is one of the, if not the worst, big man at converting post up opportunities

His field goal percentage is 61%.

D. has teammates and fans alike saying that he worries about his stats at the expense of the team at times

First time I've seen this.

E. is the best in the NBA at blocking shots
F. Is one of the 10 best rebounders in the NBA

I'll take that on my team.

G. Has never proved he can handle being a guy that his team relies upon and has never had a bigtime moment in his career.

He doesn't have to be. That's not his role. The list of those who have shown that that they can be counted in bigtime moments within their first 108 NBA games (and only receiving significant playing time in about 70-75 of those is very, very short.

 

[LAD]

oh no doubt LeBron bears some responsibility- but i know personally- i would give more effort to a good boss, who is competent, even if they were tough, then a guy who was an incompetent shit heel. Isn't that human nature?

No, not when you're claim is that you're the best player on the planet. It's unacceptable at best. How many other "greats" have you seen do that when they played for a coach they didn't care for?

 

[trojanfan12]

ONLY on the assists?

the Heat guy on here just had a post where it said the only positive defense impact as it relates to ACTUAL CONTRIBUTIONS ON THE FLOOR- were by Whiteside over the passed month!!! LOL.

its just unbelievable to me....i mean- we shall see before too long- go ahead- sign this guy to a huge deal- whoever;s team does so is going to regret it for a LOOOONG TIME.

Yes, only on the assists. The reason his positive impact is only being seen in the past month is because the bulk of his experience in the NBA has come this year. As he learns and improves on defending at the NBA level, the Heat defense improves.

Your back to your twisting, red herrings, repetitive posts and making shit up. This is your warning.

 

[WiggyRuss]

from about 2 weeks ago:

Hassan Whiteside not on same wavelength as Spoelstra, Wade, Bosh | Heat Zone

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yes, only on the assists. The reason his positive impact is only being seen in the past month is because the bulk of his experience in the NBA has come this year. As he learns and improves on defending at the NBA level, the Heat defense improves.

Your back to your twisting, red herrings, repetitive posts and making shit up. This is your warning.

could you please kindly explain to me how a stat that shows how Whiteside is 35th among 36th eligible post players at converting post up opportunities is a "red herring"?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Your only legit point.

First time I've seen this.




He doesn't have to be. That's not his role. The list of those who have shown that that they can be counted in bigtime moments within their first 108 NBA games (and only receiving significant playing time in about 70-75 of those is very, very short.

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Hey @bksballer89 Why is the Heat's defensive efficiency worse with Whiteside on the court compared to on the bench? Does he get himself out of position trying to block too many shots? It's an interesting variance.

Not a good pick and roll defender. Also doesn't like to get out on bigs who can shoot




Trojan- here is your evidence for point D