Are the Seahawks the luckiest team in NFL history?

[DirtDirtDirt]

Lets just all be thankful we arent forced to watch Teddy Bridgewater and that Vikings offense for another week in this postseason

 

[Jakology]

Lets just all be thankful we arent forced to watch Teddy Bridgewater and that Vikings offense for another week in this postseason

Agreed. I don't know what the Vikings see in him now. I liked him coming out of college. He made all the throws at Louisville. Now he plays soft and rarely throws deep.

 

[flyerhawk]

It's about execution for sure. The kicker isn't going to say he's unlucky. It would just be a thought that runs through his teammates' heads. All the work they put in to try and win the game, only to lose on a bad kick. There's two sides to everything, and I try to see both sides in anything. Helps you stay open minded.

Sure. I get that. But ultimately we have no way of knowing why Walsh missed it.

Maybe the fact that Sherman nearly blocked the last kick from the right side made Walsh think he should kick a little left? Or maybe the high snap delayed it just enough to screw up Walsh's rhythm. Or maybe Walsh just had the kick in his head.

Who knows. But ultimately this is no more luck than a QB short arming a throw right into the hands of a defender.

 

[realityball]

Luck, as far it goes, would be more a ref missing a call like what happened late in the Super Bowl last year when the Patriot corner tripped Jermaine Kearse on a crossing route and it wasn't called.

The refs are part of the game, like your mention of the PATS/RAVENS 2012 where there were 24 penalties against NE. That's not luck.

Kearse's miracle catch later in the game to put Seattle back in it at the 5 was luck.

 

[SonnyCID]

The refs are part of the game, like your mention of the PATS/RAVENS 2012 where there were 24 penalties against NE. That's not luck.

Kearse's miracle catch later in the game to put Seattle back in it at the 5 was luck.

So, questionable officiating is part of the game, but circus catches arent? Wake up dude, there are crazy catches in almost every game nowadays. It seems that many Pats fans think that anything outside of the framework of the designed offense is just a lucky play, aND effort or concentration had nothing to with it, just luck.

 

[SonnyCID]

So, to clarify your statement, NOT my statement. Seattle botched the last play of the SB, allowing NE to win.
Had RW converted that TD pass, Sea wins-NE losses.
Had Walsh made the FG Minny wins-Sea losses.
Meaning, Seattle was the better team in SB49? Is that correct, or am I spinning your words?

To be fair, I remember after the SB that @NEhomer was cool and complimentary of the Seahawks. It stood out to me because he, @sonnyblack65 and @Southieinnc were outnumbered as Pats fans on that front. Most of them just wanted to rub it in Seahawks fans faces and act like it was total domination. Just about every other NE poster was saying stupid shit like that the Pats were just the far superior team and didn't want to even aknowledge that seattles defensive injuries could have even had a slight effect on the game.

 

[flyerhawk]

The refs are part of the game, like your mention of the PATS/RAVENS 2012 where there were 24 penalties against NE. That's not luck.

Kearse's miracle catch later in the game to put Seattle back in it at the 5 was luck.

24 penalties. Right. Or maybe 1....


Ravens vs. Patriots - Team Statistics - January 22, 2012 - ESPN

 

[Ksfnslayer]

Luck can be a big part of the game but that makes it fun and surprising. I had an idea the kick may not have been all that easy from the angle he was kicking. He must of tried to finesse a slight hook that went sharper than expected. The other kicks were straight on and I actually felt before hand that they were an easy make even though much further out. But the short one looked tricky to me.

 

[realityball]

24 penalties. Right. Or maybe 1....


Ravens vs. Patriots - Team Statistics - January 22, 2012 - ESPN

Excuse me ... I'm wrong accroding to this there were 24 total penalities ... 10 to NE
I only remember Belichick grabbing a ref after the game for an explanation ...



but my point is execution vs random bounces of the ball. A 25 yd missed field goal is close to a bounced ball, in my world ...

 

[molsaniceman]

Sure. I get that. But ultimately we have no way of knowing why Walsh missed it.

Maybe the fact that Sherman nearly blocked the last kick from the right side made Walsh think he should kick a little left? Or maybe the high snap delayed it just enough to screw up Walsh's rhythm. Or maybe Walsh just had the kick in his head.

Who knows. But ultimately this is no more luck than a QB short arming a throw right into the hands of a defender.

Big difference is a DB made a play What play did seattle make to make the FG miss? Yes the pats got lucky in 2012 vs ravens see not hard to admit at all

 

[flyerhawk]

Excuse me ... I'm wrong accroding to this there were 24 total penalities ... 10 to NE
I only remember Belichick grabbing a ref after the game for an explanation ...

That was the regular season game for the next season.

but my point is execution vs random bounces of the ball. A 25 yd missed field goal is close to a bounced ball, in my world ...

I fail to see how they are similar. Once a football hits the ground where it bounces is pure chance. No matter how many times Blair Walsh kicked that ball, the way he kicked was always going to result in a wide left result.

A missd field goal attempt is the same as a bad throw. The degree of difficulty may be different but both are failures to execute properly.

 

[flyerhawk]

Big difference is a DB made a play What play did seattle make to make the FG miss? Yes the pats got lucky in 2012 vs ravens see not hard to admit at all

I'm fine with saying tha the Seahawks were fortunate that Walsh missed the kick. But Walsh missing the kick was on Walsh, not luck.

 

[Vitamike]

I don't know if it's been mentioned, as I am not going to read through 15 pages on this topic but I would say save the last Hawks pass in the SB last year, Pete's Seahawks are the luckiest team in NFL history or rather Pete's teams!

Honesty, I've said this since the day he was hired on as the Trojans HC, he has to have made a deal with the devil!

Maybe @clarkson23devils could confirm this?


Either way, his fortunes turned in a dramatic way ever since and the day of that he was hired on as the USC HC, despite the outcry at the time from the Trojan faithful!

 

[realityball]

That was the regular season game for the next season.

Again, I apologize for that.

I fail to see how they are similar. Once a football hits the ground where it bounces is pure chance. No matter how many times Blair Walsh kicked that ball, the way he kicked was always going to result in a wide left result.

A missd field goal attempt is the same as a bad throw. The degree of difficulty may be different but both are failures to execute properly.

I guess I'm on the side of wondering how many times would Walsh kick the ball that way in comparison to a ball bouncing in a specific direction. His missed kick had randomness to it that favored Seattle.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

I don't know if it's been mentioned, as I am not going to read through 15 pages on this topic but I would say save the last Hawks pass in the SB last year, Pete's Seahawks are the luckiest team in NFL history or rather Pete's teams!

Honesty, I've said this since the day he was hired on as the Trojans HC, he has to have made a deal with the devil!

Maybe @clarkson23devils could confirm this?


Either way, his fortunes turned in a dramatic way ever since and the day of that he was hired on as the USC HC, despite the outcry at the time from the Trojan faithful!

Petes contract is running up. And i made a deal with carson palmer this year Skoooooo Cards!!!!!!! How ere your holidays vitamike?

 

[Vitamike]

Petes contract is running up. And i made a deal with carson palmer this year Skoooooo Cards!!!!!!!

I'm all with that brother!

Cards are my money pick this year!

 

[flyerhawk]

I guess I'm on the side of wondering how many times would Walsh kick the ball that way in comparison to a ball bouncing in a specific direction. His missed kick had randomness to it that favored Seattle.

People are confusing randomness with probability.

Walsh missing that kick had a low probability based on past performance. But not all kicking situations are the same and we don't how often Walsh might might that kick in that same situation. That's why it is more about execution than luck.

Maybe Walsh misses that 50% of the time given the sitaution. We don't know.

A 5 foot putt in practice is vastly different than a 5 foot putt for $1,000,000.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

I'm all with that brother!

Cards are my money pick this year!

Palmer is a real good guy. After the tendon surgery he took the time to thank the family of the girl who lost her life in a drunk driving accident. Where his new tendon came from. Went to their home gave condolences and stays in touch with them . Thats class hard not to root for himNot many athletes do that

 

[Vitamike]

People are confusing randomness with probability.

Walsh missing that kick had a low probability based on past performance. But not all kicking situations are the same and we don't how often Walsh might might that kick in that same situation. That's why it is more about execution than luck.

Maybe Walsh misses that 50% of the time given the sitaution. We don't know.

A 5 foot putt in practice is vastly different than a 5 foot putt for $1,000,000.

Ha ha you stole that flyerhawk from the broadcast where they talked about it being akin to hitting a 3 foot putt in the Masters.

Still not a bad point but I think more the elements and less the situation were more of a factor as the holder chose not to spin the ball, due to his cold weather gloves, either time he had the laces faced towards the kicker, and that is a huge deal with kickers.

The holder got away with it once but not twice.

I think it's a crock to lay the 'pressure' scenario on this guy compared to a golfer making a putt, as more than one is involved in the scenario.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

People are confusing randomness with probability.

Each kick would be considered "mutually exclusive".

Lets just all be thankful we arent forced to watch Teddy Bridgewater and that Vikings offense for another week in this postseason

Good enough of an O to beatdown your team @ GB and take the Norris title this year.