2016 Free Agents [Redskins]

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

even though we made the play offs we only 9-7 at best some players have to walk to get better yes u keep pot roast duke has not helped us in 2 years he gone paulson is gone paul will be back we will draft a good te

 

[gkekoa]

even though we made the play offs we only 9-7 at best some players have to walk to get better yes u keep pot roast duke has not helped us in 2 years he gone paulson is gone paul will be back we will draft a good te

Our record was 9-7 at best. Let me ask you this...didn't we get A LOT better as the season went on? Offensively, weren't we a very good team over the last half of the season with DJ and Reed back?
Duke hasn't helped us but wouldn't he be a cheap player to keep that is a possible upgrade to what we have?
Paulson may be gone but who is this TE? In what round are you drafting this "good" TE?

You seem to think every player on the team has to be a star to be good. It just isn't realistic. You need role players that fit and are familiar with scheme.

 

[BlueSC_Icetea]

Elliott came from a system. He doesn't know anything about pro style sets as they run a power spread package at OSU. Not saying he can't come in and produce, as he's turned into a great RB, but it might be a slight learning curve compared to someone like Henry. I still don't want us to go the RB route in the first round even if they're available when we pick.

 

[SkinFaninATL]

There are those who keep saying we are fine at ILB but we have three of them set to be FAs. If we are as fine as you claim, what makes you think we can keep them all and afford KC?

I actually like Compton and Foster but don't believe they have proven enough to think they are the future ILBs for this team. I also don't believe a fifth round draft pick that was IR this season is even guaranteed a roster spot. That is why I think it is insane to think ILB shouldn't be addressed in round 1.

We all know my opinion on RBs in general but I wouldn't be totally crushed if we take Elliot at 25. If we think that is the pick that makes us better for the long run, go with it. Mid to late 20s is starting to get to some iffier prospects.

I also would not be surprised if we look at Vincent Rey, George Iloka, Muhammed Sanu, and Marvin Jones.

I'm not sure how the FO looks at Foster and Compton for the future. I believe we have some depth at ILB. I'm not sure if Ragland would be there for us. I'm not for taking RBs in the first round, either. However, if Zeke is there, we cannot pass him up, especially with our RB situation at this juncture. Honestly, I would not be surprised to see any of those ex-Bengals on the team. I like all four of those guys.

 

[SkinFaninATL]

gk Elliot had twice the college career of any of those guys you mentioned. Plus he does everything. run, block, and catch. He is a franchise RB. you bet your ass he is the pick at 25.

Agreed! Ingram did win a Heisman at Alabama, but he was not franchise material. Don't get me started with those other names. Jay Gruden wants a back that can do all those things and Zeke can. I saw Zeke was a franchise back in 2014. I had seen enough, then.

 

[gkekoa]

Agreed! Ingram did win a Heisman at Alabama, but he was not franchise material. Don't get me started with those other names. Jay Gruden wants a back that can do all those things and Zeke can. I saw Zeke was a franchise back in 2014. I had seen enough, then.

There just isn't any such thing as a franchise back any more. That isn't today's game. There hasn't been "the RB" to win a SB since Jamal Lewis.

 

[skinsdad62]

gallette will cost more to retain but i think we have right of 1st refusal on him

pot roast will get a pay raise

all 3 ilbs will be resigned with robinson getting a little above league min .

and dean we have no idea who will be available and when

 

[Manster7588]

gallette will cost more to retain but i think we have right of 1st refusal on him

pot roast will get a pay raise

all 3 ilbs will be resigned with robinson getting a little above league min .

and dean we have no idea who will be available and when

Gallery is ONE player I think WILL give you all a home team discount. I think he really appreciates the 2nd chance Washington gave him, besides he had the Skins logo tattooed on his arm.

 

[Sharkinva]

Gallery is ONE player I think WILL give you all a home team discount. I think he really appreciates the 2nd chance Washington gave him, besides he had the Skins logo tattooed on his arm.

Agreed Gallett will likely give a home team discount as it were. But as i mentioned in another post, we are actually not much better off at the position than we were this time last year even with him in the fold. Im not too pumped about trusting a speed/finesse pass rusher coming off a second season ending injury as our savior at the position when he hasnt taken a snap for us even in pre season play. Yes i hope we resign him, but this should have been addressed with a 3 down OLB last year... oh wait we let him walk. Never mind.

 

[Breed]

With that logic Sty you think SM will cut both Jackson and Garcon? Wont happen. I think they will both restructure.

If John Keim is on point concerning his opinion on PG. There won't be any re-do deal (PG's present deal counts 10.2 mill against the Skins 2016 cap with a base 7.6 mill salary) involving a pay cut for Garcon. Keim it appears also believes PG can garner 8 mill a year fairly easy on the open market. Hence a re-do deal significantly lowering his salary doesn't make dollars or sense from Garcon's perspective.

One way or another though. WR is a position that will need some addressing soon enough as both PG and Djax will be FAs after next season.

Speculation once again centers on futures of Pierre Garcon, Alfred Morris

[QUOTE=from article]John Keim: The last I checked on this about two weeks ago, there was no talk about any sort of pay cut for Garcon, who will count $10.2 million vs. the cap next season (with a $7.6 million base salary). If they cut him, he'd still count $2.2 million vs. the cap. And I can tell you that if they asked Garcon to take a pay cut, he'd say (bleep) no and move on. He could get $8 million per year on the open market (that's around what Michael Crabtree received last offseason) so there's zero incentive for him to take a cut. But an extension? He'd be open to that. (Also, releasing Andre Roberts with a post-June 1 designation would save $4 million.)
If you recall, there were questions and rumors about Garcon last year, too, except that none of that was coming from the team. It was just speculation because his numbers had plummeted, but Garcon's ability didn't diminish and he only proved his worth this season, too, especially on third downs.
If the Redskins for some reason moved on from Garcon -- and I stress that I have yet to hear that from anyone I talk to; I know they still like him -- they'd have to find a strong replacement. You can't rely on the draft to find that guy, not for this season. Therefore, they'd have to pay someone around what they're going to pay Garcon this season. So getting rid of him won't provide much of a savings; rather, it'll just free up money to spend on the same position (Chicago'sAlshon Jeffery is a free agent, though he might be franchised, and Cincinnati'sMarvin Jones is another). Garcon turns 30 in August and still has a couple good years remaining. But he's a free agent after next season, as is DeSean Jackson; they're an expensive combo as Jackson will count $9.25 million vs. the cap.[/QUOTE]

 

[Breed]

Agreed Gallett will likely give a home team discount as it were. But as i mentioned in another post, we are actually not much better off at the position than we were this time last year even with him in the fold. Im not too pumped about trusting a speed/finesse pass rusher coming off a second season ending injury as our savior at the position when he hasnt taken a snap for us even in pre season play. Yes i hope we resign him, but this should have been addressed with a 3 down OLB last year... oh wait we let him walk. Never mind.

Are you speaking on Orakpo far as letting an OLB walk? If so, what is it with him and some Skins fans? If there were a dictionary that gave the NFL definition of words and sayings commonly used in NFL circles. If the word "Dispensable" was in that dictionary. There'd be a picture of Orakpo accompanying the word and its definition.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Is this where we post FA we hope the Skins sign, or our own current players who will be FA or both? I would like see everyones wish list of players in the NFL.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Free Agency Wish List
1. Eric Berry - FS
2. Muhammad Wilkerson - DE
3. Alshon Jeffery - WR
4. Malik Jackson - DT/DE
5. Prince Amukamara - CB

Then in first 3 rounds
#21 ILB - Jaylon Smith or Reggie Ragland
#53 C - Nick Martin
#84 CB - Deiondre' Hall or Mackensie Alexander (some scouts grading him in 3rd-4th rds)

 

[Sharkinva]

Are you speaking on Orakpo far as letting an OLB walk? If so, what is it with him and some Skins fans? If there were a dictionary that gave the NFL definition of words and sayings commonly used in NFL circles. If the word "Dispensable" was in that dictionary. There'd be a picture of Orakpo accompanying the word and its definition.

I dont know man, any time you have thrown two draft picks, and multiple free agent signings at a spot, and the guy who left the spot simply went on to start in 16 games and put up solid numbers elsewhere... Im not sure how dispensable he actually was.

Orakpo is yet another example of a player who could or should have been a solid performer from in house and a life long Redskin. But because he didnt become an all star, fans think he was easily replaced.

 

[Sportster 72]

I'd like to see the team keep the receivers we have minus Andre Roberts.

 

[gkekoa]

Is this where we post FA we hope the Skins sign, or our own current players who will be FA or both? I would like see everyones wish list of players in the NFL.

RB- CJ Anderson, Charcandrick West, or Stevan Ridley.

C- Stefen Wisniewski

NT- Pot Roast

DE- Jaye Howard

ILB- Will Compton and Mason Foster...Paul Worrilow or Danny Trevathon based on salary

S- Duke Ihenacho, Ricardo Allen,Tony Jefferson

 

[Breed]

I dont know man, any time you have thrown two draft picks, and multiple free agent signings at a spot, and the guy who left the spot simply went on to start in 16 games and put up solid numbers elsewhere... Im not sure how dispensable he actually was.

Orakpo is yet another example of a player who could or should have been a solid performer from in house and a life long Redskin. But because he didnt become an all star, fans think he was easily replaced.

I'm assuming you're speaking on Murphy, Smith (they'd be the draft picks) and Galette (don't know the other FA signing of which you speak). They weren't/aren't the real issue, at least not imo, and while Galette wasn't able to play at all last year due to injury. Lets take a cursory look at the 2015 stats of Orakpo, Murphy, and Smith for a moment.

Orakpo - 16/16 games played in/games started, 38 solo/13 asst, 51 combined tackles, 7 sacks, 5 PDs, 1 FF
Murphy - 16/14 games played in/games stated, 13 solo/20 asst, 33 combined tackles, 3.5 sacks, 0 PDs, 1 FF
Smith - 16/2 games played in/games started, 24 solo/11 asst, 35 combined tackles, 8 sacks, 4 PDs, 3 FF

I'd opine that even with Galette's injury and excluding him. The 2015 combined stats of Murphy and Smith not only matched Orakpo's 2015 stats, but surpassed them in every category except PDs/passes defensed. And the combined monetary contracts of Murphy/Smith was considerably less than the monetary contract of Orakpo.

More production at a lower cost of pay from Murphy/Smith in 2015 = pretty much the gold standard far as Rak being very dispensable from my vantage point.

Far as the last portion of your post goes. From my perspective Rak was indeed a solid performer during his Redskins tenure w/o question. The problem though was that far too many Redskin fans, various metric sites, and a few talking heads, saw Rak as an all star performer worthy of all star pay. But when it finally boiled down to fuck what I think, or what you think, or what anyone else thinks including talking heads and metric sites.

When it boiled down to "Show me the money!" time. His fault, my fault. nobody's fault, Rak shit the bed in 2014 to the tune of 24 combined tackles, .5 sack, 1 PD in 7 games before giving way to a 2nd season ending injury. Which was the same exact injury to the same exact area of his body making it the 2nd time in 3 years Rak's season ended via injury. And no favors for Rak were done when during his disappointing 2014 season, Ryan Kerrigan. or the other starting OLB for the Washington Redskins at that time. Was in the midst of enjoying what many Redskin fans, me being among them, thought was his best season as a pro including a career high in sacks with 13.5 and leading the NFL in forced fumbles with 5. Thereby overtaking what was once Orakpo's position in present Redskins hierarchy as the Redskins premier pass rusher

What happened to Orakpo wasn't unfair or some terrible tragedy. It was simply SOP in the NFL.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm assuming you're speaking on Murphy, Smith (they'd be the draft picks) and Galette (don't know the other FA signing of which you speak). They weren't/aren't the real issue, at least not imo, and while Galette wasn't able to play at all last year due to injury. Lets take a cursory look at the 2015 stats of Orakpo, Murphy, and Smith for a moment.

Orakpo - 16/16 games played in/games started, 38 solo/13 asst, 51 combined tackles, 7 sacks, 5 PDs, 1 FF
Murphy - 16/14 games played in/games stated, 13 solo/20 asst, 33 combined tackles, 3.5 sacks, 0 PDs, 1 FF
Smith - 16/2 games played in/games started, 24 solo/11 asst, 35 combined tackles, 8 sacks, 4 PDs, 3 FF

I'd opine that even with Galette's injury and excluding him. The 2015 combined stats of Murphy and Smith not only matched Orakpo's 2015 stats, but surpassed them in every category except PDs/passes defensed. And the combined monetary contracts of Murphy/Smith was considerably less than the monetary contract of Orakpo.

More production at a lower cost of pay from Murphy/Smith in 2015 = pretty much the gold standard far as Rak being very dispensable from my vantage point.

Far as the last portion of your post goes. From my perspective Rak was indeed a solid performer during his Redskins tenure w/o question. The problem though was that far too many Redskin fans, various metric sites, and a few talking heads, saw Rak as an all star performer worthy of all star pay. But when it finally boiled down to fuck what I think, or what you think, or what anyone else thinks including talking heads and metric sites.

When it boiled down to "Show me the money!" time. His fault, my fault. nobody's fault, Rak shit the bed in 2014 to the tune of 24 combined tackles, .5 sack, 1 PD in 7 games before giving way to a 2nd season ending injury. Which was the same exact injury to the same exact area of his body making it the 2nd time in 3 years Rak's season ended via injury. And no favors for Rak were done when during his disappointing 2014 season, Ryan Kerrigan. or the other starting OLB for the Washington Redskins at that time. Was in the midst of enjoying what many Redskin fans, me being among them, thought was his best season as a pro including a career high in sacks with 13.5 and leading the NFL in forced fumbles with 5. Thereby overtaking what was once Orakpo's position in present Redskins hierarchy as the Redskins premier pass rusher

What happened to Orakpo wasn't unfair or some terrible tragedy. It was simply SOP in the NFL.

So bottom line, in your opinion... 3 extra sacks and less than $1 million in actual cap space on the season was worth taking up at minimum 2 extra roster spots (Smith, Jeffcoat). So what it really boils down to is, we were pissed he didnt produce better in 2014, and thus its perfectly ok that it took extra roster spots because we saved less than a million against the cap.

 

[Breed]

So bottom line, in your opinion... 3 extra sacks and less than $1 million in actual cap space on the season was worth taking up at minimum 2 extra roster spots (Smith, Jeffcoat). So what it really boils down to is, we were pissed he didnt produce better in 2014, and thus its perfectly ok that it took extra roster spots because we saved less than a million against the cap.

I look at it as boiling down to either keeping Orakpo or Kerrigan, but they couldn't or wouldn't keep both. I think the correct choice was made.

 

[gkekoa]

So bottom line, in your opinion... 3 extra sacks and less than $1 million in actual cap space on the season was worth taking up at minimum 2 extra roster spots (Smith, Jeffcoat). So what it really boils down to is, we were pissed he didnt produce better in 2014, and thus its perfectly ok that it took extra roster spots because we saved less than a million against the cap.

Is it really two extra roster spots? I thought you said we need a minimum of 4 OLBs.