do we miss rak ?

[skinsdad62]

Considering the way that the new cap works, I think people stress entirely too much on what a guy gets paid or "What he is worth" in the fans eye. If paying him $7 million meant we couldnt sign or retain another key player, I would agree with this logic. But the reality of the new CBA is, unless you need to sign 3 franchise QBs in one off season, its all monopoly money at this rate. So unless you are one who just gets pissed over how much these guys make, I dont think any one on these boards, or even in the team facilities overly stresses what a guy makes any more. Because I will state again, If Rak had gotten 2 sacks for us this season, and Kerrigan got another 3-4 due to the presence of Rak, would it in fact have been worth more to the team than Jackson who has taken 13 snaps, or Griffin who has taken 0 snaps, and yet combined they will cost $15 million against the cap this year??

that is the point i was making and in barry's defense his production may have gone up . ebb5 doesnt get the maturity issue thing . his practice habits are bad his study habits are bad hence he is just not getting playing time because he makes mistakes

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Well - none of it matters since Orakpo is not on the Redskins. Again - I am sure that they will pickup several defensive players over the next few offseasons who will turn this defense into a force. Everyone also seems to be conveniently ignoring Kerrigan's injury issues. He will be fine.

As for Smith - NP - yep he probably needs to be taught a lesson and earn his playing time. He is a kid & certainly can redeem himself and also be a force on this team. Just give it time. HTTR

 

[SoCalWizFan]

BTW - where were all of the people who were screaming to keep Orakpo on this team last offseason? I certainly wasn't one of them. His injury history and state of the team warranted them not giving him big money & yes you have to be prudent with the cap not only for the current season but moving forward. You always want to be careful with that money. Perhaps a few folks wanted Orakpo back as a Redskin regardless of money but not many (& Skinsdad I recall you stating that they should only bring him back for relatively little $$ - am I remembering that incorrectly?).

 

[skinsdad62]

BTW - where were all of the people who were screaming to keep Orakpo on this team last offseason? I certainly wasn't one of them. His injury history and state of the team warranted them not giving him big money & yes you have to be prudent with the cap not only for the current season but moving forward. You always want to be careful with that money. Perhaps a few folks wanted Orakpo back as a Redskin regardless of money but not many (& Skinsdad I recall you stating that they should only bring him back for relatively little $$ - am I remembering that incorrectly?).

i thought he should be brought back at 5-7 mil a year

 

[SoCalWizFan]

i thought he should be brought back at 5-7 mil a year

Well - the Titans only gave him slightly more that that - so agree to disagree. I don't feel bad at all that he is not with the team & in any case the LB position should be fine for this team moving forward. Perhaps not this year but that may not matter with Gruden's sputtering offense.

 

[ehb5]

that is the point i was making and in barry's defense his production may have gone up . ebb5 doesnt get the maturity issue thing . his practice habits are bad his study habits are bad hence he is just not getting playing time because he makes mistakes

Lol the number of times you've told me "I just don't get it" this week only for me to prove you wrong with facts is getting pretty high.

 

[Sharkinva]

Lol the number of times you've told me "I just don't get it" this week only for me to prove you wrong with facts is getting pretty high.

What facts have you provided? Inquiring minds would like to know?? Its been stated that Smith isnt getting the playing time because of maturity issues. Now that sir is a fact.

On the flip side, its an opinion (yours) that if Smith were playing more, he would have the production that we actually need from the position.

 

[ehb5]

What facts have you provided? Inquiring minds would like to know?? Its been stated that Smith isnt getting the playing time because of maturity issues. Now that sir is a fact.

On the flip side, its an opinion (yours) that if Smith were playing more, he would have the production that we actually need from the position.

Never said i did on this issue. I said this week skinsdad has told me "I just don't get it" multiple times only for me to prove him wrong with facts later. I just think it's funny that every time I disagree with him I "just don't get it".

 

[skinsdad62]

Never said i did on this issue. I said this week skinsdad has told me "I just don't get it" multiple times only for me to prove him wrong with facts later. I just think it's funny that every time I disagree with him I "just don't get it".

i dont think you proved me wrong in any debate we have had KC is an avg qb ranked 14th overall . are there areas he is bad in ? yes i just stopped going round and round with you about it

same with the coaches i put out the 2 year thing and how do you expect us to get a good coach doing that . more often the not , you dont . you came back with arians and the cards

whisenhunt got 5 years as HC with the cards , and arians came off a coach ot the year award . in neither case did that come to the scenario i laid out which was you wont get a quality HC if you keep firing them with 2 years or less. chip kelley replaced andy reid who had what ? a decade in the job

again i didnt want to go round and round with you

and now i will get to the talent thing . smith does have some raw talent however if he isnt mature enough to do the things he needs to to get better he wont play and hasnt

 

[Breed]

Considering the way that the new cap works, I think people stress entirely too much on what a guy gets paid or "What he is worth" in the fans eye. If paying him $7 million meant we couldnt sign or retain another key player, I would agree with this logic. But the reality of the new CBA is, unless you need to sign 3 franchise QBs in one off season, its all monopoly money at this rate. So unless you are one who just gets pissed over how much these guys make, I dont think any one on these boards, or even in the team facilities overly stresses what a guy makes any more.

On the old board a few of us here now used to frequent. Every year we'd get a Boys or Eagles fan start and/or co-sign an off-season thread. Stating w/o a doubt, unequivocally, and undeniably the Skins were headed not just to Cap Hell, but to the 7th Circle to the Third Power Squared of Cap Hell Cubed. How not only were the Skins gonna lose this player and that player. That their cap funds would be so whack they wouldn't be able to sign a curdled half gallon of milk. A dirty kotex full of week old dried up period blood. Or the soon to be cum stained sheets of a 12 year old boy who's hormones and puberty were about to hook up with their newest homeboy named, wet dreams to replace that lost player. And soon after the Skins would win the off-season splashy FA signing Super Bowl. Usually inking one player to what was at the time the highest paid ever contract to a player playing that position in NFL history. That was just about the best time to be a Redskins fan back then cuz at least we got to laugh at and clown whoever started that yearly off-season thread. The one thing the Skins have done arguably better than any team in the Snyder Era, 1999 - to the present. Is fuck off money on player contracts and keep on keepin on w/o nary missing a beat.

Because I will state again, If Rak had gotten 2 sacks for us this season, and Kerrigan got another 3-4 due to the presence of Rak, would it in fact have been worth more to the team than Jackson who has taken 13 snaps, or Griffin who has taken 0 snaps, and yet combined they will cost $15 million against the cap this year??

Djax is a diva, his career has been inconsistent and I put him at wearing out his Skins welcome in 3 years, 5 years tops. Though I do harbor a secret fantasy that he somehow becomes consistent, stays relatively healthy, the Skins get a half-ass decent QB while he's here. With Djax putting in another decade or so as a Redskin. Thus showing consistently every year what he's shown even in his inconsistency up to this point in his career. That he's the NFL's best big play player. You can keep those 5-6 hypothetical sacks and I'll keep my Djax fantasy.

 

[ehb5]

i dont think you proved me wrong in any debate we have had KC is an avg qb ranked 14th overall . are there areas he is bad in ? yes i just stopped going round and round with you about it

same with the coaches i put out the 2 year thing and how do you expect us to get a good coach doing that . more often the not , you dont . you came back with arians and the cards

whisenhunt got 5 years as HC with the cards , and arians came off a coach ot the year award . in neither case did that come to the scenario i laid out which was you wont get a quality HC if you keep firing them with 2 years or less. chip kelley replaced andy reid who had what ? a decade in the job

again i didnt want to go round and round with you

and now i will get to the talent thing . smith does have some raw talent however if he isnt mature enough to do the things he needs to to get better he wont play and hasnt

What is he 14th overall in?
I gave you a list of stats he was well below average in after you stated the stats say he's average. Kirk cousins is not an average quaterback in the nfl right now. That honestly just laughable to say he is. Passer rating, completion %, yds/att, ints, game film, all say he's worse.

As for coaches you're the one who's latched onto arians. It's simply a fact that we will be able to find somebody to take the job after gruden and a fact that that person can be a good coach without being a big name. That's not really up for debate. It doesn't mean that person will be, but the possibility can't be denied.

You're also mixing arguments here. Kelly and arians were brought up because you claimed coaches couldn't have success right away.

Finally the smith thing was literally just me saying I thought it was interesting that Gruden's job is on the line and he's not playing somebody who in the evidence we have is more talented.

 

[skinsdad62]

What is he 14th overall in?
I gave you a list of stats he was well below average in after you stated the stats say he's average. Kirk cousins is not an average quaterback in the nfl right now. That honestly just laughable to say he is. Passer rating, completion %, yds/att, ints, game film, all say he's worse.

As for coaches you're the one who's latched onto arians. It's simply a fact that we will be able to find somebody to take the job after gruden and a fact that that person can be a good coach without being a big name. That's not really up for debate. It doesn't mean that person will be, but the possibility can't be denied.

You're also mixing arguments here. Kelly and arians were brought up because you claimed coaches couldn't have success right away.

Finally the smith thing was literally just me saying I thought it was interesting that Gruden's job is on the line and he's not playing somebody who in the evidence we have is more talented.

wrong i said what coach would take our job if he only gets 2 years or less ? i never claimed they couldnt however i also pointed out that wasnt the norm .

how do you think we got stuck with zorn ? the great coaches were lining up for the job ? what about gruden ? we got stuck with these guys because better guys dont want the job and if you can gruden after 2 you will get the same type of guy

i bet if you go back to that thread i bet you mentioned arians before i did as well as kelly

most certainly will new coach, new scheme new needs

Not true. Plenty of coaches have had success in year 1. Dont forget it would be a Mcgloughan coach so Mcglouhan would continue to add his players. On top of that this team has decent talent. LB, CB, DL, OL, RB, WR, TE all have some talent. Not gonna win the super bowl but I think it all comes down to who's playing QB for us.

most dont and i have seen this movie here before book it new coach 3 years more of rebuilding and the coach we get will be a new bee

yeah and who takes this job if you get only 2 years to do it ? answer no one but a different version of gruden

well you better buy it because that is how you got gruden

That literally makes no sense. We got somebody to take the job didnt we.....? Kind of disproving your own point there...

you dont get it do you ? you will get another gruden type coach . a young coordinator , who will be like the 5th choice , he will get hired , then in a year and a half long before he gets his system in and the players he wants you will want him fired as well

wash rinse and repeat

You know getting a young up and coming coordinator is a goods thing? Like that's perfectly ok. Just because gruden might not work out doesn't mean that all young coordinators won't. Having a real gm hire his guy should be helpful.

and when that fails as well because the fan base is impatient where will you be ? selling me on another new young coordinator . or the newest college savior ?

give the guy a fair shot less then 2 years isnt

If the new hire is that bad then yea. You forget that he doesn't have to be though.

3 or the last 4 hires were 2 years and that was it . and we are still stuck

If we had hired Bruce Arians something tells me we wouldnt still be stuck. Its about who you hire not about how you hire them.

and again you aint getting an arians type here because of the recent history here with coaches

Bullshit. Arians wasn't some hot coach everybody wanted his whole career. He was a guy who had been around the league for a long time and had never been given a shot as a head coach. Look at Harbaugh, I believe he was a special teams coach. Good coaches come from all over the place, we can absolutely get one.

if you look at the above quotes it clearly shows you mentioning arians before i did

 

[ehb5]

wrong i said what coach would take our job if he only gets 2 years or less ? i never claimed they couldnt however i also pointed out that wasnt the norm .

how do you think we got stuck with zorn ? the great coaches were lining up for the job ? what about gruden ? we got stuck with these guys because better guys dont want the job and if you can gruden after 2 you will get the same type of guy

i bet if you go back to that thread i bet you mentioned arians before i did as well as kelly




























if you look at the above quotes it clearly shows you mentioning arians before i did

Lol I never said I didn't bring him up, I'm not sure why you went through all that trouble.

Zorn and gruden mean nothing, Shanahan was a bad hire too and he was a big name. Ya know who wasn't? John harbaugh. The point with arians was that he wasn't a big name until he won COTY as an interim coach. If we had hired him a year before that when he wasn't a sought after HC he would've been a great hire for us.

Are you saying that there are no good future head coaches available except for big names?

Also I'm still curious about what cousins is 14th in.

 

[martinez]

Eh, I miss galette more

 

[Breed]

Did Arians interview for the Skins HC gig? I can't say I knew a lot about him, but unlike Zorn who wasn't on anyone's head coaching radar or Gruden, who I don't recall being on many HC radar's either. Arians was on few of them.

Whatever happened with Russ Grimm? There was a good couple years period where it seemd like an HC gig for him was inevitable. Last I heard he was relieved f his OL coaching duties with the Cards in 2012 I believe.

As he was a member of the Skins glory days I always liked and when I read an article last week during the upcoming with the Jets. Where Todd Bowles said he will always have a soft spot in his heart for the Skins. I couldn't help, but wonder "what if?......." concerning him as well.

Then again, while I think maybe ol' Russ would've jumped at an offer to be the Skins HC. Possibly because he saw his HCing slipping away more than anything else. I'm not sure Arians or Bowles would've. I could be dead wrong,I also don't see ay of these 3 promising to fix Griffin as Gruden said he would/could. Though in somewhat fairness to Gruden. He probably wasn't aware of the work that needed to be put on that front.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I remember liking and wanting Mike Zimmer over Jay from Cincy but Zimmer was never interested in even interviewing here IIRC

Dan and Bruce wanted a QB guy...

 

[Breed]

And oh, I'm curious as well. Where is Cousins/this 14th ranking at?

ESPN has him at 16th on their QB stats board, but has there ever been a 66.2% comp percentage, making Cuz the supposed 11th most accurate passer in footbal this year, as misleading as Cousins current one? His 6,23 ypa ranking him 33rd in the NFL I'd say is accurate. His 77.4 rate making him 31st far as that individual ranking is more in line as well. 4th leading QB in football far as INTs....yep, accurate. Tied for 26thin the league far as TD passes......accurate. 24th in the league far as yards per game.....fair. Which begs the question. Why is he even ranked as high as 16th on ESPN's QB ratings?

Far as traditional NFL QB rankings go..................NFL Stats: by Player Category

By passer rating Cousins is 43rd in the NFL...................damn! 43rd!

INT percentage is an individual ranking where Cuz is top ten, 8th best or worst depending on perspective, but I think we all can agree whatever way you lean. Cousins is an outstanding pick thrower.

2015 NFL Passing Statistics - The Football Database

Yeah, I'd like to see where/who has Cousins at 14.

 

[Breed]

I remember liking and wanting Mike Zimmer over Jay from Cincy but Zimmer was never interested in even interviewing here IIRC

Dan and Bruce wanted a QB guy...

Word. That's right. Good lokin out, Cali. And Gruden said what they wanted to hear. And once again Snyder along with Bruce this particular time. Made another monumental coaching boo boo. They couldn't just hire a QB coach who would work specifically and only with Griff.

I hate this bitch so hard, but I can't quit her. Fuck!

 

[skinsdad62]

sorry i meant 16th however 16 is directly in the middle of 32 isnt it and by definition avg ? and that is if you go solely by stats alone

KC is an avg qb at this point he looks to be a career backup but again if he is ranked 43rd which i will accept for the point of arguments sake that would make him 9 spots off of avg of all qbs if they all have 2 qbs ( which we all know they dont ) so again he would be pushing middle of the pack

 

[skinsdad62]

As for coaches you're the one who's latched onto arians. It's simply a fact that we will be able to find somebody to take the job after gruden and a fact that that person can be a good coach without being a big name. That's not really up for debate. It doesn't mean that person will be, but the possibility can't be denied

that is your quote . i said you brought arians up first which you did so who latched on to whom first ?

so lets recap . kelly took over for reid after he served a decade as HC

arians took over for whisenhunt who had been there for 5 years and add to it you dont get much hotter the AP nfl coach of the year

quinn to over for smith , he held it for 6 years

rex ryan took over for mangini 3 yrs

harbuagh i dont know which one , john took over for billick after billick got 9 years

jim barbaugh took over for mike singletary 3 years

payton took over for hazmat 6 years

whisenhunt took over for dennis green who got 3 years

so every person you named took the job they got after the previous HC got 3 years or more which isnt the premise of what i said which is you wont get a credible coach if you are only going to give him 2 years or less

and all of this goes back to where you have "proven me wrong " which clearly that is in question