So glad we decided.....

[Sharkinva]

I call bs. They can and have carried teams. They dont always but they can. But regardless you need a good QB. Maybe not elite but why not try for an elite QB?

Name me the elite QB in the 2016 draft.... PLEASE!!!!

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

what was peytons mannings record year one ? , the pats handed the team to bledsoe not brady . the saints also had a solid base on the team

The Saints were 8-8; 8-8; 3-13 the 3 years prior to Brees. Prior to that they gave up their entire '99 draft and their first and third in 2000 for Ricky Williams. That is not a solid base, that's a franchise who hadn't won a damn thing. They got Brees, again coming off 3-13, and were immediately in the NFC Championship Game.

What does Peyton have to do with my argument? I was talking about being the worst team in the league, grabbing Luck the following draft, and becoming instant contenders. Both of those teams proved you don't need to build a team first before getting the QB in place. The Pats first turned to Bledsoe, then to Brady. Again the point is they were a 5 win team without a QB, with a great one in place they won it all the very next year. Again evidence of just what a top QB can do for a team.

 

[Sharkinva]

The Saints were 8-8; 8-8; 3-13 the 3 years prior to Brees. Prior to that they gave up their entire '99 draft and their first and third in 2000 for Ricky Williams. That is not a solid base, that's a franchise who hadn't won a damn thing. They got Brees, again coming off 3-13, and were immediately in the NFC Championship Game.

What does Peyton have to do with my argument? I was talking about being the worst team in the league, grabbing Luck the following draft, and becoming instant contenders. Both of those teams proved you don't need to build a team first before getting the QB in place. The Pats first turned to Bledsoe, then to Brady. Again the point is they were a 5 win team without a QB, with a great one in place they won it all the very next year. Again evidence of just what a top QB can do for a team.

Again... name me the GREAT... FRANCHISE QB in the 2016 draft. If you cant, then your point is.. well pointless.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Name me the elite QB in the 2016 draft.... PLEASE!!!!

I have no idea, that's Scott's job to evaluate QBs. We again are discussing ideology, the wisdom of drafting a QB or not drafting a QB. That's the discussion here, don't get sidetracked. I am simply not in agreement that we should never try again.

As Blaze asks are we really going to not do something that could change our future just because previous bad talent evaluators failed here in the past? Boy talk about a loser mentality. That would have been like the Lions passing on Megatron because they whiffed on so many high pick WRs in previous drafts. And don't think for a minute that people weren't suggesting it because they were. And of course they were idiots.

 

[Breed]

The Saints were 8-8; 8-8; 3-13 the 3 years prior to Brees. Prior to that they gave up their entire '99 draft and their first and third in 2000 for Ricky Williams. That is not a solid base, that's a franchise who hadn't won a damn thing. They got Brees, again coming off 3-13, and were immediately in the NFC Championship Game.

What does Peyton have to do with my argument? I was talking about being the worst team in the league, grabbing Luck the following draft, and becoming instant contenders. Both of those teams proved you don't need to build a team first before getting the QB in place. The Pats first turned to Bledsoe, then to Brady. Again the point is they were a 5 win team without a QB, with a great one in place they won it all the very next year. Again evidence of just what a top QB can do for a team.

Brady was not a great QB during the Pats first SB and the Pats didn't turn to him. Bledsoe was injured and Belichick had no choice but to go to him. When Bledsoe was healthy again, Billy B was smart enough to stick with Brady. IMO it was because Brady managed the game, whereas Bledsoe allowed his big arm to get him into trouble.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Brady was not a great QB during the Pats first SB and the Pats didn't turn to him. Bledsoe was injured and Belichick had no choice but to go to him. When Bledsoe was healthy again, Billy B was smart enough to stick with Brady. IMO it was because Brady managed the game, whereas Bledsoe allowed his big arm to get him into trouble.

Oh I get that and tried to clarify with a later post. The Brady example was more to the point that a QB can instantly turn a bad team into a champion. The Saints and Andrew Luck were examples of teams not waiting to build a great team before pulling the trigger.

 

[Sharkinva]

I have no idea, that's Scott's job to evaluate QBs. We again are discussing ideology, the wisdom of drafting a QB or not drafting a QB. That's the discussion here, don't get sidetracked. I am simply not in agreement that we should never try again.

As Blaze asks are we really going to not do something that could change our future just because previous bad talent evaluators failed here in the past? Boy talk about a loser mentality. That would have been like the Lions passing on Megatron because they whiffed on so many high pick WRs in previous drafts. And don't think for a minute that people weren't suggesting it because they were. And of course they were idiots.

I call Bullshit on this one. Huge steaming piles of Bullshit. Its not about past talent evaluators failing. Its totally about the fact that alot of people have called this season dead after week one. They want Gruden Fired because he failed to fix wonderboy. And they want some new savior to pin their hopes on. Because lets face it, if we are in the market to draft a "franchise" QB, it likely also means Gruden was fired. From what I have seen NONE of the top QB prospects in 2016 are of the Luck/Manning breed. But thats besides the point. We have basically deemed this season dead a week in. And I dare say some are actually hoping the season is a complete and abject failure for some reason.

 

[Sharkinva]

By the way DFG.. I agree, I dont think we should never try again. I just think there is a mix of desperation and discontent at the moment. When I see people saying they hope Cousins fails so Gruden gets fired and Griffin gets another shot, I dont see that as fans of the team. But more people butt hurt that thier favorite player is not being given yet another shot.

I agree that if there is a "franchise QB " on the board you take him period. I simply dont think there is one in the 2016 draft.

 

[ehb5]

Actually he inherited a QB that cost four high draft picks. But lets ignore that for a moment. Im fine with them scouting QB's. Im even fine with them planning to draft one if Cousins fails. But I seriously think MANY fans are hoping Cousins fails because it would royally suck to have to admit Shanahan was RIGHT in the fact that RG3 was a mistake and that Cousins can be a solid QB.

But if we go into another off-season with the concept that we have got to take a QB as our first or second pick, once again I think we will fuck it up. Fix the rest of the team, bring in a stop gap until such time as we are in a position to make a solid QB move.

I think most fans are just being realistic in admitting that Cousins hasnt done any more than RG3 to convince us he's gonna stick around. Obviously if hes great we'll support him.

 

[ehb5]

By the way DFG.. I agree, I dont think we should never try again. I just think there is a mix of desperation and discontent at the moment. When I see people saying they hope Cousins fails so Gruden gets fired and Griffin gets another shot, I dont see that as fans of the team. But more people butt hurt that thier favorite player is not being given yet another shot.

I agree that if there is a "franchise QB " on the board you take him period. I simply dont think there is one in the 2016 draft.

Yup everybody who wants to draft a franchise QB this year wants to do it because...they are obsessed with one of our current QBs - that makes sense.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I call Bullshit on this one. Huge steaming piles of Bullshit. Its not about past talent evaluators failing. Its totally about the fact that alot of people have called this season dead after week one. They want Gruden Fired because he failed to fix wonderboy. And they want some new savior to pin their hopes on. Because lets face it, if we are in the market to draft a "franchise" QB, it likely also means Gruden was fired. From what I have seen NONE of the top QB prospects in 2016 are of the Luck/Manning breed. But thats besides the point. We have basically deemed this season dead a week in. And I dare say some are actually hoping the season is a complete and abject failure for some reason.

I think that you are overstating your pt to a major degree. Most Redskins fans that I know are not RG3 fans to the pt of valuing him over the team. Heck - a lot of them are anti-RG3. I truly believe that most true Redskins fans value the team over any given individual and certainly no real fan would wish for failure for this team after week 1.

You really need to start to minimize your fixation on RG3. There is a lot more to this team than one guy. How about for now that we forget about the upcoming offseason & the 2016 draft and simply focus on the games in the month of Sept and Oct. Do you guys actually enjoy watching games or do you simply want to talk about the offseason and non-football issues non-stop? This sounds more like the MO of a baseball fan and not a football fan.

HTTR

 

[Breed]

Oh I get that and tried to clarify with a later post. The Brady example was more to the point that a QB can instantly turn a bad team into a champion. The Saints and Andrew Luck were examples of teams not waiting to build a great team before pulling the trigger.

Can't deny that. Brady took over and the Pats were on their way to their dynasty.

 

[ehb5]

Actually the arbitrary list you speak of is base on QB production. You know little things like yards thrown for, passes completed, TD's thrown. Kinda I dont know, QB Job stats. Little things like that. And lets be real, Skins fans would sell virginity of daughters to have a 4000 yard passer at the moment with at least a .500 record.

And Im saying you are desperate to draft another QB because Griffin was a failure and you want some one to pin the hopes on.

You draft a QB right now if he is a good value and some one you can build around. We are likely going to draft a QB because as usual, Danny needs to sell hope and Jerseys to keep the dream alive.

Yea no shit thats what Ive been saying. I never said reach. I never said trade picks. Im just talking in general on what the best way to build this team into a Super Bowl champion is.

And there are plenty of stats that would state Tannehill isnt good so its arbitrary in the sense that its one list out of many.

 

[ehb5]

I think that you are overstating your pt to a major degree. Most Redskins fans that I know are not RG3 fans to the pt of valuing him over the team. Heck - a lot of them are anti-RG3. I truly believe that most true Redskins fans value the team over any given individual and certainly no real fan would wish for failure for this team after week 1.

You really need to start to minimize your fixation on RG3. There is a lot more to this team than one guy. How about for now that we forget about the upcoming offseason & the 2016 draft and simply focus on the games in the month of Sept and Oct. Do you guys actually enjoy watching games or do you simply want to talk about the offseason and non-football issues non-stop? This sounds more like the MO of a baseball fan and not a football fan.

HTTR

This. Nobody here is bringing RG3 up except Shark. But im obsessed with RG3 more than the team. Sure lol

 

[Sharkinva]

I think most fans are just being realistic in admitting that Cousins hasnt done any more than RG3 to convince us he's gonna stick around. Obviously if hes great we'll support him.

When I see people already saying they hope Gruden fails and Cousins fails, and making comments like we need to draft yet another QB...... To me that looks like they arent even hoping Cousins will improve. Maybe Im reading it wrong. But the fact that we have totally given up on a guy who has played a total of 15 games sounds kinda lame to me.. Im just saying. Especially in light of the fact that the last savior has played in twice as many games, had his ass kissed by the team, and fan base and regressed over the past two years. So dont get me wrong, but I think alot of the Kirk hate (which is what it is) has to do more with misplaced loyalty than any thing else.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

We need to put a ban on the name RGIII. It's over, let's move on.

To Shark's point no I"m not rooting for Cousins to fail and I was the last of the Griffin defenders. It has nothing to do with any loyalty to Griffin, again that ship has sailed. As ehb points out what we have seen out of Kirk at this point makes it crazy to dismiss the idea that we may be looking for a QB this draft. I hope he plays well, obviously. I just don't expect it and again my position is you don't win big with Kirk Cousins/Ryan Tannehill/Alex Smith.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

We need to put a ban on the name RGIII. It's over, let's move on.

To Shark's point no I"m not rooting for Cousins to fail and I was the last of the Griffin defenders. It has nothing to do with any loyalty to Griffin, again that ship has sailed. As ehb points out what we have seen out of Kirk at this point makes it crazy to dismiss the idea that we may be looking for a QB this draft. I hope he plays well, obviously. I just don't expect it and again my position is you don't win big with Kirk Cousins/Ryan Tannehill/Alex Smith.

Agree 100%. Leave RG3 out of the discussion at least during the time when he is not playing.

 

[Sharkinva]

This. Nobody here is bringing RG3 up except Shark. But im obsessed with RG3 more than the team. Sure lol

Just because Im willing to admit the real issue doesnt mean every one else gets to ignore it. But I will ask you an honest question....

Give me one GOOD reason why any one is actually hoping the team fails after week one?? Seeing as no one has been able to name a top flight QB who is worthy of hoping the team fails for, IM waiting for an answer other than misplaced loyalty to a particular player??

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I'll take a shot. I think a lot of fans see a head coach who is terrible at halftime adjustments, the mark of a good or bad coach. They see 3-13 as a way to get rid of a HC who they feel needs to be replaced. Not saying I subscribe to this. I am apathetic, I've not reached the point of openly rooting against my team. But I will admit to doing that the year before You Know Who was coming out.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

When I see people already saying they hope Gruden fails and Cousins fails, and making comments like we need to draft yet another QB...... To me that looks like they arent even hoping Cousins will improve. Maybe Im reading it wrong. But the fact that we have totally given up on a guy who has played a total of 15 games sounds kinda lame to me.. Im just saying. Especially in light of the fact that the last savior has played in twice as many games, had his ass kissed by the team, and fan base and regressed over the past two years. So dont get me wrong, but I think alot of the Kirk hate (which is what it is) has to do more with misplaced loyalty than any thing else.

It doesn't matter what any of us think since we don't run the team. Cousins will have more than his fair share of chances this season. He will have plenty of opportunities to prove that he is worth keeping beyond this season. If he proves worthy then who cares what some naysayers will say about it. If they continue to root against them - well - then they are not really Redskins fans.