Series Thread: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers NBA Finals Thread

[gordontrue]

3 travels/walks by Moz, 2 fouls on Thompson early in the game against LBJ and didn't even touch him, then Livingston put back. Those are a couple right off the top of my head.

That Livingston putback was a clear goaltend, right? Does anyone contend that?

 

[SJ76]

And I really don't understand why some of you want a travel called. The refs are just going to let all of that go - 99% of the time.

 

[trojanfan12]

In other words: "Such bullshit. I can't think of anything specifically to refute what you're saying but you have to be wrong because I say so."

If there were "several plays where the Cavs got away with stuff too", enlighten me.

How about when Lebron traveled right in front of the ref on the play where he was fouled and there was no call? How about the play where a foul was called on a GSW defender on a Lebron drive to the basket where Lebron threw his shoulder and elbow into the defender?

Shall I continue?

Like I said, missed calls both ways. Like I said in my previous post, how about we talk how amazing what the Cavs are doing is and quit crying?

The only thing lamer than fans of the losing team crying about the refs is when fans of the winning team do it.

 

[Shanemansj13]

No doubt.
It's hard to comprehend.
Even the ref standing right in front of James Jones who said the ball was off of the Warriors player (even though the other ref over ruled him).

Maybe for the Finals they need a 4th and 5th ref IF they truly care about getting it right vs just being ok with people saying 'they suck but it all evens out'.

PLUS they really need to quit giving the shooters the call when they launch their body into the defenders.

Curry did this twice late in Game 1 and got the calls. He did it once on JR late in Game 2 and tried it a handful of times more but luckily guys stayed on their feet. Did he pick it up from James Harden?

 

[Across The Field]

3 travels/walks by Moz, 2 fouls on Thompson early in the game against LBJ and didn't even touch him, then Livingston put back. Those are a couple right off the top of my head.

3 walks by Moz? Got an proof of that? I saw one where it was a walk, yes, but I also him get called for a travel in game 1 where last night the announcers even said shouldn't have been called. Call it a makeup call. The other two, I'm interested to see where you saw these.

I watched every foul Thompson committed closely last night since he was shooting so well, as it was quite relevant. There wasn't a single one that wasn't a foul. They were actually pretty standard foul calls, they weren't even questionable.

What Livingston putback?

 

[trojanfan12]

I haven't seen Lebron consistently own games late in the 4th Q either, but I do recall a game winner against us in game 4?

He needs to determine whether he can get a GOOD shot late in a game or pass off to a Paxson, Kerr type player for an open jumpshot like MJ did.

I think Bron likes the hero brand, but I think he may have learn a lesson from game 1 on that off balance 3 he took to try to win. There's no reason he shouldn't go to the hole and he did last night with the left hand and missed. Good no call by the refs btw

Problem is, his Paxson and Kerr are injured. Although, to be fair, Love and Kyrie are bigger names than Paxson and Kerr were.

Speaking of Kerr. Right about now, the Warriors ought to be fitting him for a uniform.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Curry did this twice late in Game 1 and got the calls. He did it once on JR late in Game 2 and tried it a handleful of times more but luckily guys stayed on their feet. Did he pick it up from James Harden?

Nah.
Prob Wade

 

[Across The Field]

How about when Lebron traveled right in front of the ref on the play where he was fouled and there was no call? How about the play where a foul was called on a GSW defender on a Lebron drive to the basket where Lebron threw his shoulder and elbow into the defender?

Shall I continue?

Like I said, missed calls both ways. Like I said in my previous post, how about we talk how amazing what the Cavs are doing is and quit crying?

The only thing lamer than fans of the losing team crying about the refs is when fans of the winning team do it.

Well the first one is completely and totally irrelevant since the two were essentially negated by each other. He traveled, which would've resulted in a turnover. Instead, he got hacked and turned the ball over. Exactly the same outcome.

News flash: nearly every drive in the NBA involves a player putting his shoulder/elbow/forearm into a defender. Seriously, watch in game 3, and not just when Lebron does it. The difference is, Lebron is huge and strong and it has more of an impact. Does he do it? Yes, so I'll give you that. Does basically everyone else also do it? Yes.

How about on JR's last foul on Curry where Curry literally jumped up into him to draw that foul? Hadn't even mentioned that one yet.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I still hate that shot but I don't mind him taking those, he misses most of the time. Plus doing it in rd 2 is way different in the Finals.

He is 0-7 in his last 3 Finals on last shots. That was a crazy stat they put yesterday. I know he is doing a lot for the Cavs but he just isn't good down the stretch. He almost lost that game for the Cavs last night. He went back to that Iso game and it almost cost them another game. They were playing great team ball and I don't know why they stopped. Missed his last 17 of 20 shots last night. Ouch

Maybe you can credit GS' defense a bit. They played really good defense down the stretch, contesting everything. They locked down late.

 

[SJ76]

Problem is, his Paxson and Kerr are injured. Although, to be fair, Love and Kyrie are bigger names than Paxson and Kerr were.

Speaking of Kerr. Right about now, the Warriors ought to be fitting him for a uniform.

I meant more of 2 guard that would be left open like Paxson was in game 6 at Phoenix vs Sir Charles. Lebron either has to get to a spot he likes and pull the trigger or get double teamed and dish to the open guy.

 

[Shanemansj13]

And I really don't understand why some of you want a travel called. The refs are just going to let all of that go - 99% of the time.

It was a makeup call, the one where Mozgov traveled. He didnt travel late in Game 1 and they called it, that would of put them up 2.

 

[gordontrue]

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[gordontrue]

lol

 

[SJ76]

It was a makeup call, the one where Mozgov traveled. He didnt travel late in Game 1 and they called it, that would of put them up 2.

Yeah I am all for the refs swallowing their dam whistles. Because they get whistle happy, then they have to call make up calls. It's definitely annoying. Go back and watch old Finals' dvds and see how many whistles you hear?

I've thrown in the 91, 92 Finals lately and it's incredible. They let them play.

And the refs did swallow their whistles in game 1 of the Cavs Bulls series. If you watched it, it definitely eliminated flopping and they called absolutely nothing on a lot of contact in the lane.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Well the first one is completely and totally irrelevant since the two were essentially negated by each other. He traveled, which would've resulted in a turnover. Instead, he got hacked and turned the ball over. Exactly the same outcome.

News flash: nearly every drive in the NBA involves a player putting his shoulder/elbow/forearm into a defender. Seriously, watch in game 3, and not just when Lebron does it. The difference is, Lebron is huge and strong and it has more of an impact. Does he do it? Yes, so I'll give you that. Does basically everyone else also do it? Yes.

How about on JR's last foul on Curry where Curry literally jumped up into him to draw that foul? Hadn't even mentioned that one yet.

Maybe as far as outcome, but not as far as the actual problem.
Everyone involved is entitled to have the games called as fairly as possible and as competently as possible.
Some calls in live speed are near impossible to be sure if you got it right.
Some are pretty easy.
These refs are supposed to be the best of the best.
No reason to continually butcher the easy ones.

 

[trojanfan12]

Well the first one is completely and totally irrelevant since the two were essentially negated by each other. He traveled, which would've resulted in a turnover. Instead, he got hacked and turned the ball over. Exactly the same outcome.

News flash: nearly every drive in the NBA involves a player putting his shoulder/elbow/forearm into a defender. Seriously, watch in game 3, and not just when Lebron does it. The difference is, Lebron is huge and strong and it has more of an impact. Does he do it? Yes, so I'll give you that. Does basically everyone else also do it? Yes.

How about on JR's last foul on Curry where Curry literally jumped up into him to draw that foul? Hadn't even mentioned that one yet.

I agree with all of this. That's why I say people need to quit crying about the refs and talk about the actual game. The Cavs are doing some pretty amazing stuff, we've already seen 2 firsts in NBA history (first time the first 2 title games went to OT, Cavs first ever finals game win) and people are crying about the refs instead.

The foul with Curry, unfortunately for JR, was the right call. Like JVG said, that rule needs to be changed. To me, it's like that Reggie Miller leg kick. That needed to be addressed, but while guys could get away with it, they used it. Same thing needs to happen with what JR was called for. Make it illegal. If a defender jumps straight up, the offensive player shouldn't be able to jump into him.

 

[trojanfan12]

I meant more of 2 guard that would be left open like Paxson was in game 6 at Phoenix vs Sir Charles. Lebron either has to get to a spot he likes and pull the trigger or get double teamed and dish to the open guy.

I agree. I think the difference is that MJ trusted Kerr and Paxson with those shots because he knew he could. I think Lebron would trust Love and/or Kyrie. I'm not sure he trusts JR and Delly (especially with JR going JR like he did last night).

He may have to eventually though. I'm not sure he can keep expending as much energy as he has just to keep the Cavs in games and still have anything left at the end of them.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yah know.....

Maybe this is the way it had to happen for LeBron. Maybe LeBron putting it all on his back like he could not do in '07 and truly carrying this team by himself was how it was meant to be. Maybe for him to truly exercise his past demons in Cleveland and to truly regain what he once lost here- he had to do it this way.

Maybe this is the way it was meant to be.


I dont know. The Cavs could lose the next four games and render this victory inconsequential. But if they can pull it off---- maybe LeBron gives this city its first championship in 50+ years by carrying the team on his back and not doing it with oodles of help that his detractors like to cite.

Maybe....

 

[trojanfan12]

lol

Delly with the old school celebration.

 

[SJ76]

I agree. I think the difference is that MJ trusted Kerr and Paxson with those shots because he knew he could. I think Lebron would trust Love and/or Kyrie. I'm not sure he trusts JR and Delly (especially with JR going JR like he did last night).

He may have to eventually though. I'm not sure he can keep expending as much energy as he has just to keep the Cavs in games and still have anything left at the end of them.

Yeah no doubt, but you have to trust your teammates in that situation. That off balanced shot Bron likes off 1 leg ain't gonna get it done. He needs to get to the elbow of the free throw line or somewhere he likes and take the shot if he can, if not you have to trust the open guy.


What's really amazing is this team is in year 1. That's so hard for a team to do with a 1st year head coach, but Lebron did it with the Heat and lost their first year so maybe he learned a few things.

What's really weird is that losing Love and Kyrie has hurt offensively, but IMO Dellavadoob and Tristin are better on defense and know their roles/do the little things on both ends of the court. However the offense has to come from somewhere..