Breaking: David Carr deflated footballs in 2006; ballboys let air out to counter Denver's altitude

[Rex Racer]

Perhaps, but I think for some of the minor stuff the league expects the honor system to kick in the way it does in golf. Even so, the league did check the psi of the footballs before the game and said they were within the right limits. How often should they be checking? They checked before the game and again at half-time and found a problem.

As for the cleat issue. I found this and decided to paste it here. Just to show how crazy the league is about the minutia of what goes on on the field.

"Improper Cleats
(e) Shoe cleats made of aluminum or other material that may chip, fracture, or develop a cutting edge.
Conical cleats with concave sides or points which measure less than 3/8-inch in diameter at the tips,
or cleats with oblong ends which measure less than 1/4 by 3/4-inch at the end tips are also prohibited.
Nylon cleats with flat steel tips are permitted."

My point about Walt Anderson is that he either didn't check the PSI properly before the game and/or he didn't record the measurements properly. This particular point is going to be a focus of the appeal and possible court case that may or may not follow.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

My point about Walt Anderson is that he either didn't check the PSI properly before the game and/or he didn't record the measurements properly. This particular point is going to be a focus of the appeal and possible court case that may or may not follow.

I don't know. Do they record every single detail of prep before the game, every game, every time? Or is it more like the refs check the psi, if it's acceptable they move on but note that the balls were within the required limits. It seems desperate to use this as ploy. Like running out of time in a close game and then asking to see if the game clock was properly calibrated. Remember too, this isn't a federal criminal case. The burden of proof is way looser in a situation like this and if 70% or more looks fishy that's all it will take.

 

[Rex Racer]

I don't know. Do they record every single detail of prep before the game, every game, every time?

Not that I care, but they are supposed to.

 

[cwerph]

Rule 2 The Ball

Section 1 BALL DIMENSIONS The Ball must be a “Wilson,” hand selected, bearing the signature of the Commissioner of the League, Roger Goodell. The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. It shall have the form of a prolate spheroid and the size and weight shall be: long axis, 11 to 11 1/4 inches; long circumference, 28 to 28 1/2 inches; short circumference, 21 to 21 1/4 inches; weight, 14 to 15 ounces. The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.


Section 2 BALL SUPPLY Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game. In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. Any such circumstances must be reported to the Commissioner. In case of rain or a wet, muddy, or slippery field, a playable ball shall be used at the request of the offensive team’s center. The Game Clock shall not stop for such action (unless undue delay occurs). Note: It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing field.

Don't see anything saying they are supposed to record anything, just that they are to verify that the balls are within specs.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Rule 2 The Ball

Section 1 BALL DIMENSIONS The Ball must be a “Wilson,” hand selected, bearing the signature of the Commissioner of the League, Roger Goodell. The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. It shall have the form of a prolate spheroid and the size and weight shall be: long axis, 11 to 11 1/4 inches; long circumference, 28 to 28 1/2 inches; short circumference, 21 to 21 1/4 inches; weight, 14 to 15 ounces. The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.


Section 2 BALL SUPPLY Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game. In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. Any such circumstances must be reported to the Commissioner. In case of rain or a wet, muddy, or slippery field, a playable ball shall be used at the request of the offensive team’s center. The Game Clock shall not stop for such action (unless undue delay occurs). Note: It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing field.

Don't see anything saying they are supposed to record anything, just that they are to verify that the balls are within specs.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf

It does say the balls are to remain under his supervision. Yet they test the balls and go out for the pre game without them later on?

 

[Manster7588]

Rule 2 The Ball

Section 1 BALL DIMENSIONS The Ball must be a “Wilson,” hand selected, bearing the signature of the Commissioner of the League, Roger Goodell. The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. It shall have the form of a prolate spheroid and the size and weight shall be: long axis, 11 to 11 1/4 inches; long circumference, 28 to 28 1/2 inches; short circumference, 21 to 21 1/4 inches; weight, 14 to 15 ounces. The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.


Section 2 BALL SUPPLY Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game. In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. Any such circumstances must be reported to the Commissioner. In case of rain or a wet, muddy, or slippery field, a playable ball shall be used at the request of the offensive team’s center. The Game Clock shall not stop for such action (unless undue delay occurs). Note: It is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls at all times by attendants from either side of the playing field.

Don't see anything saying they are supposed to record anything, just that they are to verify that the balls are within specs.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf

Are you saying some Pats fans are pulling shit out of their assalmanac?

 

[Manster7588]

No and yes.

You should quit while you're behind, the public school system in TX didn't prepare you for this.

So you think you're the lead dog? Yep, and Brady didn't cheat.

 

[Manster7588]

It does say the balls are to remain under his supervision. Yet they test the balls and go out for the pre game without them later on?

You'd think the refs wouldn't have to baby sit the room. I guess that will change thanks to the honest folks at Foxbourgh.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

You'd think the refs wouldn't have to baby sit the room. I guess that will change thanks to the honest folks at Foxbourgh.

It's all about integrity right?
So if you're charged with supervising the balls and you don't are you derelict in your duties?
Like mentioned early possibly on another posts you can't pick and choose what rules you follow and which ones you don't.

 

[BoiseMike19]

Hey, I thought we were just facepalming here?

 

[Rex Racer]

So you think you're the lead dog? Yep, and Brady didn't cheat.

Don't bother attempting to put words in my mouth, I'll tell you exactly how I feel.......... if I feel like it. Now put the shovel down before you bury your own self.

 

[Rex Racer]

Hey, I thought we were just facepalming here?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Hey, I thought we were just facepalming here?

That was yesterday

 

[WizardHawk]

Yes Sir if you say so. All the rest of us should stop posting and just listen to whatever you have to say. I wasn't aware you were asked to sit in on all these investigations and issues? You should've just told me that and we could've saved a lot of time.
You really have a tough time with semantics don't you? That or you are very gullible and believe whatever you read that helps make your point.

FINALLY you get it. Bout time.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

I face palmed when i read it was a preseason game It would also help if there was at least data saying they were past the legal limit

 

[Manster7588]

It's all about integrity right?
So if you're charged with supervising the balls and you don't are you derelict in your duties?
Like mentioned early possibly on another posts you can't pick and choose what rules you follow and which ones you don't.

It's not like the Refs are securing our nation's secrets, the footballs. I'd like to think I wouldn't need to secure footballs in a alarmed vault.
Yes it is about the integrity of the teams employees.

 

[Manster7588]

Don't bother attempting to put words in my mouth, I'll tell you exactly how I feel.......... if I feel like it. Now put the shovel down before you bury your own self.

If I'm buried it won't be by you.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

It's not like the Refs are securing our nation's secrets, the footballs. I'd like to think I wouldn't need to secure footballs in a alarmed vault.
Yes it is about the integrity of the teams employees.

Don't start getting overly dramatic on us.
For the last week all we've heard is the integrity of the league. Don't tarnish the shield.
The league shouldn't cast stones is all I'm saying. Just make sure your back yard is clean first.
players and teams have cheated and pushed the envelope for years is all I'm saying.

 

[gohusk]

Don't start getting overly dramatic on us.
For the last week all we've heard is the integrity of the league. Don't tarnish the shield.
The league shouldn't cast stones is all I'm saying. Just make sure your back yard is clean first.
players and teams have cheated and pushed the envelope for years is all I'm saying.

Well, technically the NE Pats are part of the NFL so it is their back yard as well. They got caught. Time to move on. And if they're really going to start cleaning their back yard then they might want to get a legitimate HGH testing policy in place because that's what has the potential to kill the league. If they instituted something like that over night then who knows which teams would be good and who would suck. For all we know the Buffalo Bills are the last honest team in the league and would dominate under those terms.

 

[cwerph]

It does say the balls are to remain under his supervision. Yet they test the balls and go out for the pre game without them later on?

Evidently they needed to be more vigilant, given the people they were dealing with. I guess the Pats' defense could be, "If they didn't want us to cheat, they shouldn't have given us the opportunity."

It's kind of like that car with the camera in it that cops leave on the street with the keys in them, then see who steals it. 99.9% of people just walk on by, that 0.1% make for great drama.