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[Sharkinva]

Like I've said umpteen times, it's not MY opinion, it's the opinion of the consensus of commentators out there, which include those I normally respect and others that I don't. Let me give you an example. When I say that I don't believe that vaccines cause autism, it's not must MY belief that's the case, it's based on other reputable scientists' opinions on the issue. You're the guy sounding like Jennifer McCarthy and RFK, Jr. who cite some rogue scientists concluding the opposite and stomping your foot on the ground saying it's your opinion.

And Like I have said quite a few times. Form your own opinion. This isnt like some sort of scientific break through where you dont have the means to look into how atoms split side ways if you fart in a sealed room. You can actually LOOK at his recorded games. The real problem with following the media and the talking heads blindly is simply this... one guys gets something in his head and says it, and others generally tend to just run with it. Now had you actually formed your OWN opinion on this guy, I would hold it as more valid. Its one of the reasons I never call Skinsdad on HIS opinion because I know he has formed it based on what HE has seen, not what some one else has told him fifth hand.

And again I will simply point out that you aree with the concensus because it falls into line with what you hope the team does any way which is trade down.

So let me ask you honestly, if it came down to picking Scherff, or dropping back to pick 12 and gaining an extra 4th rounder this year and a conditional 4th rounder in 2016.. do you take the trade?? Its the best offer you have, take it or leave it??

 

[redskinsfan]

And Like I have said quite a few times. Form your own opinion. This isnt like some sort of scientific break through where you dont have the means to look into how atoms split side ways if you fart in a sealed room. You can actually LOOK at his recorded games. The real problem with following the media and the talking heads blindly is simply this... one guys gets something in his head and says it, and others generally tend to just run with it. Now had you actually formed your OWN opinion on this guy, I would hold it as more valid. Its one of the reasons I never call Skinsdad on HIS opinion because I know he has formed it based on what HE has seen, not what some one else has told him fifth hand.

And again I will simply point out that you aree with the concensus because it falls into line with what you hope the team does any way which is trade down.

So let me ask you honestly, if it came down to picking Scherff, or dropping back to pick 12 and gaining an extra 4th rounder this year and a conditional 4th rounder in 2016.. do you take the trade?? Its the best offer you have, take it or leave it??

I do think for myself, but sometimes you've got rely on others to help you form your own opinion. One example I've been citing to is the vaccine debate. I'm not a vaccine professional, but I think I can rely on the prevailing research to say that the anti-vaxxers are horrendously wrong on this issue. Same with Scherff. I haven't watched every game he's played nor have I tried to break down film on him. But I'll say this about the consensus opinion on the debate we're having regarding his pass pro and status as an OT: just about everyone agrees with me, DGF and others. We're basically the vaxx crowd, whereas those bucking the conventional wisdom on him are the anti-vaxxers.

And as to that proposed trade, that's ludicrous. If we're dropping back to 12, which means we're trading with Cleveland, we should be asking for both of their first rounders, though I'll admit that's not the market for that trade. The only reason why I think we can get away with that is to capitalize on their desperation for a QB or premium pick.

 

[Sharkinva]

I do think for myself, but sometimes you've got rely on others to help you form your own opinion. One example I've been citing to is the vaccine debate. I'm not a vaccine professional, but I think I can rely on the prevailing research to say that the anti-vaxxers are horrendously wrong on this issue. Same with Scherff. I haven't watched every game he's played nor have I tried to break down film on him. But I'll say this about the consensus opinion on the debate we're having regarding his pass pro and status as an OT: just about everyone agrees with me, DGF and others. We're basically the vaxx crowd, whereas those bucking the conventional wisdom on him are the anti-vaxxers.

And as to that proposed trade, that's ludicrous. If we're dropping back to 12, which means we're trading with Cleveland, we should be asking for both of their first rounders, though I'll admit that's not the market for that trade. The only reason why I think we can get away with that is to capitalize on their desperation for a QB or premium pick.

Like I said, its not what we are asking for, its what they are willing to give up. You obviously dont want to use the pick. The Browns are offering you the 12th pick and a fourth rounder, plus a 4th next year... Ludacris or not, thats the offer you have. Do you take it, or do you pick a player?? And if you dont take it, who do you pick??

See again you are under the misguided assumption that in a timed auction the seller ultimately sets the price. When in fact its what the buyer is willing to part with. Because we can ask for nine picks, and if no one is willing to meet the price, we either pick a player, or watch the Jets pick, and then still pick a player.

 

[redskinsfan]

Like I said, its not what we are asking for, its what they are willing to give up. You obviously dont want to use the pick. The Browns are offering you the 12th pick and a fourth rounder, plus a 4th next year... Ludacris or not, thats the offer you have. Do you take it, or do you pick a player?? And if you dont take it, who do you pick??

See again you are under the misguided assumption that in a timed auction the seller ultimately sets the price. When in fact its what the buyer is willing to part with. Because we can ask for nine picks, and if no one is willing to meet the price, we either pick a player, or watch the Jets pick, and then still pick a player.

At that price, I told you that we should pick a player. Two fourth rounders are hardly value for moving down to 12. And your assumption that the fifth pick will be a time auction and a buyer's market are completely false. First of all, there could already be parameters for deals in place before the draft. Next, remember the 1999 draft where in the buyer there (New Orleans) gave up their entire farm for our pick? Funny how the buyer dictated things there. It was us, the seller, that was in the driver's seat.

 

[Sharkinva]

At that price, I told you that we should pick a player. Two fourth rounders are hardly value for moving down to 12. And your assumption that the fifth pick will be a time auction and a buyer's market are completely false. First of all, there could already be parameters for deals in place before the draft. Next, remember the 1999 draft where in the buyer there (New Orleans) gave up their entire farm for our pick? Funny how the buyer dictated things there. It was us, the seller, that was in the driver's seat.

It was us the seller who set the price because the deal was already in place ahead of time and Ditka was that desperate to get Williams.

1. I dont think Mariota is going to be there at #5, either the Titan will take him at two, or some one will trade ahead of us.

2. Any deal in place will be contingent on the player of the teams desires actually still being available.

Since I dont think that happens, I think like MOST draft trades, it does become a timed auction or at best a rough deal is in place. But as much as you lust for the Browns two first rounders, if they were not willing to make that deal for RG3, what makes you really think they are going to do it for Mariota aside from your hoping it does happen. So again, while you envision us getting this bounty of draft picks and fleecing some one for the number five, I see a situation where if McCloughan is half as desperate as you are to get out of the #5 spot, we wont get nearly as much as you think. Its only a sellers market if you have something in demand that every one wants. When you are trying to off the car you have because you actually dont want it, you take what you can get or keep it and move on.

 

[redskinsfan]

It was us the seller who set the price because the deal was already in place ahead of time and Ditka was that desperate to get Williams.

1. I dont think Mariota is going to be there at #5, either the Titan will take him at two, or some one will trade ahead of us.

2. Any deal in place will be contingent on the player of the teams desires actually still being available.

Since I dont think that happens, I think like MOST draft trades, it does become a timed auction or at best a rough deal is in place. But as much as you lust for the Browns two first rounders, if they were not willing to make that deal for RG3, what makes you really think they are going to do it for Mariota aside from your hoping it does happen. So again, while you envision us getting this bounty of draft picks and fleecing some one for the number five, I see a situation where if McCloughan is half as desperate as you are to get out of the #5 spot, we wont get nearly as much as you think. Its only a sellers market if you have something in demand that every one wants. When you are trying to off the car you have because you actually dont want it, you take what you can get or keep it and move on.

Do you think McCloughan is that dumb? Do you really think that he won't have Plan B, C, D to ZZ as most GMs will have at our spot. This whole scenario of a "timed auction" is a fiction you've made up. If you've ever been part of a leverage buyout, what looks like a frenzied sequence of buying and selling between multiple parties is really the product of a plan hatched weeks or months before to take into account contingencies that will arise while sellers and buyers are on the clock.

But we may not have to put in place a bunch of these various plans. That's because if a team like the Rams want to move from 10 into the top five, there's a rough market for that deal. And that's the first and fourth rounder the Bills had to give the Browns for moving up from ninth to fifth last year.

To be sure, fleecing someone like the Browns may be wishful thinking. But getting a second rounder this year, or a first next year, or some combination thereof is hardly a pipe dream where teams outside of the top 10 want to move into the top five. The issue will be price and whether it's worth it.

I'll leave that up to Scot to determine.

 

[skinsdad62]

I do think for myself, but sometimes you've got rely on others to help you form your own opinion. One example I've been citing to is the vaccine debate. I'm not a vaccine professional, but I think I can rely on the prevailing research to say that the anti-vaxxers are horrendously wrong on this issue. Same with Scherff. I haven't watched every game he's played nor have I tried to break down film on him. But I'll say this about the consensus opinion on the debate we're having regarding his pass pro and status as an OT: just about everyone agrees with me, DGF and others. We're basically the vaxx crowd, whereas those bucking the conventional wisdom on him are the anti-vaxxers.

And as to that proposed trade, that's ludicrous. If we're dropping back to 12, which means we're trading with Cleveland, we should be asking for both of their first rounders, though I'll admit that's not the market for that trade. The only reason why I think we can get away with that is to capitalize on their desperation for a QB or premium pick.

sometimes you do i will give you that but you research all points of view and analyze the evidence and you form an opinion . how do you not check out all football players on tape in games etc and form an opinion you would fight to the proverbial death for from guys who admit they havent studied a player I.E. mcshay when he mocked ray to us yet you would follow his advice

you research all of it yourself and get everyones perspective , find out if people have "agendas for their point of view " and decide

i am not a anti vaxxer but i seriously wonder if you really researched them before you called them dead wrong

 

[redskinsfan]

sometimes you do i will give you that but you research all points of view and analyze the evidence and you form an opinion . how do you not check out all football players on tape in games etc and form an opinion you would fight to the proverbial death for from guys who admit they havent studied a player I.E. mcshay when he mocked ray to us yet you would follow his advice

you research all of it yourself and get everyones perspective , find out if people have "agendas for their point of view " and decide

i am not a anti vaxxer but i seriously wonder if you really researched them before you called them dead wrong

I've followed drafts for decades and have formed opinions on whose views I can trust and those I won't. The point here is that among the pundits that I trust and don't, nearly all agree that Scherff shouldn't be taken at #5. Shark's own admission that he needs help with footwork and pass pro only confirms that. And I don't trust just ONE guy, but look for a consensus among those pundits I respect.

 

[skinsdad62]

I've followed drafts for decades and have formed opinions on whose views I can trust and those I won't. The point here is that among the pundits that I trust and don't, nearly all agree that Scherff shouldn't be taken at #5. Shark's own admission that he needs help with footwork and pass pro only confirms that. And I don't trust just ONE guy, but look for a consensus among those pundits I respect.

ok well that is fine but it isnt nearly as informed as it could be . i have looked at everything myself with my own eyes . i made up my mind with all the evidence available . you depend on someone else

 

[redskinsfan]

And sometimes depending on someone else is the much better option. Would you rely on someone else to defend you in court or perform surgery on you? Whatever the case may be for other draft picks, as to Scherff, there's a near unanimous consensus of who he is and isn't. In view of that, anyone's personal views can't be better than those pundit, even those that are buffoons like Kiper.

 

[Sharkinva]

Most of those pundits agree he is the best offensive lineman in the 2015 draft. But we can simply discount that right?? Just saying, you want it both ways. You want to live off of some pundit saying he has pass protection issues, or he isnt agile enough to play OT (which I actually have not seen any of them say), but the fact that most consider him the best O-lineman in this draft is just fluff.

Got it.

 

[skinsdad62]

And sometimes depending on someone else is the much better option. Would you rely on someone else to defend you in court or perform surgery on you? Whatever the case may be for other draft picks, as to Scherff, there's a near unanimous consensus of who he is and isn't. In view of that, anyone's personal views can't be better than those pundit, even those that are buffoons like Kiper.

not of i hadnt researched them