IF Peyton doesn't win a Super Bowl With Denver will he be a "bust"

[Sportsguy9695]

I dont think he should be considered a bust. he has put up some real impressive number throughout his career. how many times did dan mariano win?

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

I dont think he should be considered a bust. he has put up some real impressive number throughout his career. how many times did dan mariano win?

Truth^

 

[HammerDown]

Actually debating for nearly 300 posts on whether Peyton Manning is a "bust."

 

[JasonCarrier]

I think everybody knows that a game isn't won or lost on that one play. There were 70 other plays in that game as we'll. What if the defense had gotten that stop on 3rd and 3? What if Welker made the catch? (To soon?). See what I mean...

Which is why you can't judge stats (regular or post season) when talking about if a QB is great or not (though they are part of the picture)

 

[Labgrownmangoat]

We can take the discussion to other threads.

But they had them, Syria got them and now ISIS has them

ISIS also has the JFK shooter and bigfoot. /tinfoilhat

 

[HammerDown]

Peyton Manning has more TDs than Joe Montana. And Steve Young. Put together.

"Irrelevant!!!"

Brady throws for 5 TDs.

"GOAT!!!"

 

[cdumler7]

Which is why you can't judge stats (regular or post season) when talking about if a QB is great or not (though they are part of the picture)

Yet weren't you the one like 10 or so posts ago that was pointing towards stats like Super Bowl win percentage, playoff win percentage, regular season win percentage, and others to try and judge how good a quarterback is? You realize those are stats right? Also winning has a lot more to do with the actual team around a player than anything else. I mean Brady has been HOF worthy but his Super Bowls came on great teams around him. His winning percentage is greatly helped especially for playoff percentage by that 10-0 start. Since then though his percentage has been very average at best. So again you say don't judge on stats but then tell us to judge on stats. You just want people to judge on your criteria of what is good stats compared to another individual.

 

[GNG]

But those stats do not always tell the story.

He could throw for 300 yards 2 tds and 1 int

By the stats that is a really good day.

But what happens when that 1 int is a pick 6 that loses the game?

A pick six shouldn't tarnish an overall stellar performance.

 

[redseat]

Peyton Manning has more TDs than Joe Montana. And Steve Young. Put together.

"Irrelevant!!!"

Brady throws for 5 TDs.

"GOAT!!!"

however, this is more of a passing league then compared to Montana's and Youngs era. With that said, it shouldn't take away anything from Peyton.

 

[GNG]

Peyton Manning has more TDs than Joe Montana. And Steve Young. Put together.

"Irrelevant!!!"

Brady throws for 5 TDs.

"GOAT!!!"

Peyton manning has done more with less talent than Brady has. I'd take Manning over Brady.

 

[GNG]

however, this is more of a passing league then compared to Montana's and Youngs era. With that said, it shouldn't take away anything from Peyton.

Montana's career stats pale in comparison to Manning even if he did get 4 SB rings.

 

[cwood]

Yet weren't you the one like 10 or so posts ago that was pointing towards stats like Super Bowl win percentage, playoff win percentage, regular season win percentage, and others to try and judge how good a quarterback is? You realize those are stats right? Also winning has a lot more to do with the actual team around a player than anything else. I mean Brady has been HOF worthy but his Super Bowls came on great teams around him. His winning percentage is greatly helped especially for playoff percentage by that 10-0 start. Since then though his percentage has been very average at best. So again you say don't judge on stats but then tell us to judge on stats. You just want people to judge on your criteria of what is good stats compared to another individual.

Clearly what he's saying is that Brady was a better quarterback in 2001 than he has been from 2005 to the present.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Montana's career stats pale in comparison to Manning even if he did get 4 SB rings.

Ask any player. 4 Super Bowl wins or a handful of career number records. Better yet, ask Dan Marino...

 

[HammerDown]

Ask any player. 4 Super Bowl wins or a handful of career number records. Better yet, ask Dan Marino...

Exactly. Too bad only one could play with the greatest receiver of all time.

 

[cdumler7]

Clearly what he's saying is that Brady was a better quarterback in 2001 than he has been from 2005 to the present.

Ahhh so we should only focus on a 4-year period of the NFL then. I get what is going on here.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Exactly. Too bad only one could play with the greatest receiver of all time.

Well, let's be honest. Football is more of a team sport than any other. These guys didn't win or lose all by themselves, no matter how good they were.

 

[Desean12345]

Ahhh so we should only focus on a 4-year period of the NFL then. I get what is going on here.

The Brady that went 10-0 and was winning super bowls as a game manager, wasn't even close to as good the Brady that has gone 8-8 since, carrying pretty bad teams and winning zero super bowls.

 

[redseat]

Well, let's be honest. Football is more of a team sport than any other. These guys didn't win or lose all by themselves, no matter how good they were.

ah... except if his last name is Brady....

but let's get on track here folks... this wasn't intended at all to be about any other player except Manning himself.

 

[HammerDown]

The Brady that went 10-0 and was winning super bowls as a game manager, wasn't even close to as good the Brady that has gone 8-8 since, carrying pretty bad teams and winning zero super bowls.

So you've just completely validated Peyton Manning's career. Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[GNG]

Ask any player. 4 Super Bowl wins or a handful of career number records. Better yet, ask Dan Marino...

Winning Super Bowls is more of a team accomplishment. Just ask Trent Dilfer.