So am I still the only one that thinks.....

[Sharkinva]

Hmm.. like yesterday INTs are often pick sixes or picked in the red zone & stop a drive. Sacks can be damaging but more often than not result in a loss of a few yards & stop a drive, result in a punt, etc. Sure - there are times where sacks result in a fumble for a TD but much less often than INTs. You cannot tell me that a 3 INT game is the same as a 3 (or even 5) sack game.

How do you know how RG3 will react in these situations? He appeared to be willing to compromise quite a bit in the Texans game and people badmouthed him for it. Again - how exactly would he have lost that Jags game? I think that even McCoy might have routed that team on that day. Also - call it whatever you like, but the fact is that RG3 has actually guided this team to a winning record - Cousins has not. Why not do whatever you can to see how RG3 works in this offense? The only sample we have in this offense is for 1 1/4 games.

Sakcs usually lead to poor field position, an abandonment of the rushing attack (although we have done a pretty good job of abandoning that already), and usually the defense being on the field way too often. But I agree, I wish Griffin was going to be playing this week just to shut all his ball jockeys up. As i have said, I dont expect much out of him in a real offense. Now if we start running the read option again AND he can stay healthy, then it might work. BUt I dont think he is capable of being a pocket passer, I dont think he is sturdy enough to do what Kaepernick does, and Wilson is simply a better QB. Yes Cousins is likely a fail, but he was a 4th round pick.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And on the 27th I will be there with my Son who is in the USAF celebrating his 21st birthday cheering the Skins and RG3 on to victory!

Gruden: RG3 to start individual drills | Comcast SportsNet Washington

It could happen.

 

[Sharkinva]

Talk in Washington of benching Kirk Cousins for Colt McCoy | ProFootballTalk

I am sure that this story has zero credibility. However - Shark - perhaps this is what you hope for the rest of the season for the Redskins.

Nope.. I hope Rg3 can play soon so I can once again hear the constant bitch of how the O-line is the worst in the universe. Maybe some time around week 13 Rg3 will actually you know score.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The difference is, I have NOT been blaming every thing under the sun for Cousins poor play. I freely admit right this second, Cousins is a turn over machine. Now can you freely admit Rg3 takes more sacks than a cheap hooker on fleet night and that its NOT because of the Line as much as every one said oh the line sucks. All i have heard is, well if we beef up the line RG3 would be a stud. Kirk is playing with the same line, and has over the course of the last three years.

So there you have it, yes Cousins is a turn over machine. Whats Bobs excuse for taking 72 sacks over the past three seasons??

Oh I have totally admitted that Griffin takes too many sacks among his other problems. That does not change the fact that the OL still sucks, not sure how you can argue otherwise. Nor does it change the fact that your claim that you have never made excuses for Cousins is just plain wrong.

And of course the difference in our views on the sacks is you are literally the only person on Earth would would argue that a sack is as bad as in interception.

 

[Sharkinva]

Are you really arguing that a sack is just as bad as an interception?

Really?



Then please explain why coaches always tell the young QB to eat the ball and live to play another down rather than turn the ball over and totally change the game.

If you are averaging 3-5 sacks a game and not putting up points to boot, thats not living to fight another day, its just slowly bleeding out.

 

[Sharkinva]

Oh I have totally admitted that Griffin takes too many sacks among his other problems. That does not change the fact that the OL still sucks, not sure how you can argue otherwise. Nor does it change the fact that your claim that you have never made excuses for Cousins is just plain wrong.

And of course the difference in our views on the sacks is you are literally the only person on Earth would would argue that a sack is as bad as in interception.

One sack no, 3-5 a game where you also dont put up any points until the game is well out of hand in most cases.... really you would take a guy who doesnt throw a pick, but also doesnt score a point for 3/4 of the game??

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

If you are averaging 3-5 sacks a game and not putting up points to boot, thats not living to fight another day, its just slowly bleeding out.

You are back peddling faster than Lester Hayes. You posted in 2 different posts that sacks were just as bad as interceptions. Now it seems as if it's 3-5 sacks = 1 INT = Bad. Or something like that. Having a hard time following your position as it seems to be changing by the post.

 

[Sharkinva]

You are back peddling faster than Lester Hayes. You posted in 2 different posts that sacks were just as bad as interceptions. Now it seems as if it's 3-5 sacks = 1 INT = Bad. Or something like that. Having a hard time following your position as it seems to be changing by the post.

Sacks, just as much as INT tend to be drive killers. Especially for this team. You seem to need some sort of perspective on this though. Bob has averaged 4 sacks per game and with him under center we averaged six points this year. Kirk despite his INts has put up 60 points. or 12 points a game.

So I will ask again which would you rather have?? No Picks and No points,... or at least a shot in hell of actually being in the game in the 3rd quarter??

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Since you have claimed that you have never made excuses for Cousins, then I provided you with several opportunities to admit that saying the last 3 games didn't count was in fact making excuses for Cousins, I'm having a hard time accepting your challenge.

But I would like to point out that Griff played exactly one game, a game dominated by JJ Watt, this year.. If 3 games last year was not a good enough sample size for Cousins I"m surely not letting you get away with the "6 points a game" claim for Griffin seeing as he only played in one game against the best defensive player in the league.

 

[Sharkinva]

Since you have claimed that you have never made excuses for Cousins, then I provided you with several opportunities to admit that saying the last 3 games didn't count was in fact making excuses for Cousins, I'm having a hard time accepting your challenge.

But I would like to point out that Griff played exactly one game, a game dominated by JJ Watt, this year.. If 3 games last year was not a good enough sample size for Cousins I"m surely not letting you get away with the "6 points a game" claim for Griffin seeing as he only played in one game against the best defensive player in the league.

Thats the thing. I have admitted that it was making excuses for Cousins. What you seem to not want to admit is that the level of excuses made for Rg3 have been wide and varied and have blamed every one else for his struggles.

Fact... NO one, and I mean no one has blamed the O-line for Cousins problems.


And yet you STILL continue to make excuses for RG3 at every turn. JJ Watt wasnt on the field when RG3 gave up the other 65+ sacks in his career. More often than Not RG3 takes at least a half to even get warmed up and start scoring points. The only real reasons to be so devoted to RG3 at this point are if you actually believe in his potential ( which I dont at this point), or if you just cant bare the fact that we gave up half a draft for a fragile option QB.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Nope.. I hope Rg3 can play soon so I can once again hear the constant bitch of how the O-line is the worst in the universe. Maybe some time around week 13 Rg3 will actually you know score.

I can't believe you. I see nowhere in any of your posts where possibly you state something like "Maybe RG3 can prove me wrong & do something to help this team." I am sure that I am wrong, but it almost sounds as if you want RG3 to return just so that he will fail (and prove you right in the process).

Why would any Redskins fan not simply want EVERY player on this team to succeed. I just don't get it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Thats the thing. I have admitted that it was making excuses for Cousins. What you seem to not want to admit is that the level of excuses made for Rg3 have been wide and varied and have blamed every one else for his struggles.

Fact... NO one, and I mean no one has blamed the O-line for Cousins problems.


And yet you STILL continue to make excuses for RG3 at every turn. JJ Watt wasnt on the field when RG3 gave up the other 65+ sacks in his career. More often than Not RG3 takes at least a half to even get warmed up and start scoring points. The only real reasons to be so devoted to RG3 at this point are if you actually believe in his potential ( which I dont at this point), or if you just cant bare the fact that we gave up half a draft for a fragile option QB.

Get over the trade already - it is done, over, finished. You can't undo it - why keep restating this?

Also - how do you or anyone for that matter know how RG3 will play right now? We have basically only seen him play one game this year. You pointed out to me that we can't evaluate RG3 on his play a few years ago (for several reasons). OK - fine. Using the same logic you cannot evaluate him on last season. Therefore - we don't have a large enough sample for him to form a final conclusion.

Let him play a handful of games this year & then form whatever conclusion you like. Again - if he stinks or gets hurt - move on. If he is so-so - well let the team decide (& I truly believe that if they give him the option year they were going to do it regardless). Just let him play - cheer him on - & make judgements after that. Not hard to figure out.

 

[Sharkinva]

Get over the trade already - it is done, over, finished. You can't undo it - why keep restating this?

Also - how do you or anyone for that matter know how RG3 will play right now? We have basically only seen him play one game this year. You pointed out to me that we can't evaluate RG3 on his play a few years ago (for several reasons). OK - fine. Using the same logic you cannot evaluate him on last season. Therefore - we don't have a large enough sample for him to form a final conclusion.

Let him play a handful of games this year & then form whatever conclusion you like. Again - if he stinks or gets hurt - move on. If he is so-so - well let the team decide (& I truly believe that if they give him the option year they were going to do it regardless). Just let him play - cheer him on - & make judgements after that. Not hard to figure out.

Fine, then get over his ceiling already. Its a BS term used to justify over extending on a player. Like I said, let him play. Let him prove he is worth all the devotion and defending he benefits from. Its funny that people will put up with an electrifying player who doesnt put up points until the game is out of hand, but want to tar and feather a guy who is actually putting up points some time before the middle of the 3rd quarter in most cases.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Fine, then get over his ceiling already. Its a BS term used to justify over extending on a player. Like I said, let him play. Let him prove he is worth all the devotion and defending he benefits from. Its funny that people will put up with an electrifying player who doesnt put up points until the game is out of hand, but want to tar and feather a guy who is actually putting up points some time before the middle of the 3rd quarter in most cases.

OK - works for me. It's simple. Let RG3 play several games this season & likely be the starter at the beginning of next season. If he plays well & shows improvement then you retain him. If he puts himself continually at risk or doesn't show signs of improvement then you move on & consider your next option.

I wished like hell for Cousins to do well since all I really want is for the Redskins to win - nothing else really matters. However - time after time he fell short. He shows some potential but again he can't be trusted. I would need to see numerous games where he had minimal turnovers to have faith in the guy. Maybe it will happen in the future but kind of hard to believe right now.

Oh well - if/when RG3 returns this season I will cheer him on big time - not because I worship the guy but simply because anything along these lines will be good for the team. Heck - if McCoy were playing I would feel the same way.

 

[Sharkinva]

Taking Rg3 out of it for a moment. Out of the five games Couins has played in this year, he has had 2 bad games.

Sure the team has not won a game that he has starte. BUt all things considered, he has not looked as bad as those two games would indicate. This isnt making excuses, its simply the way it is. Its also the reason Gruden isnt going to bench him, and likely wont rush RG3 back either. IN any other situation if people were not so infatuated with RG3, most of you wouldnt be ready to throw in the towel on Cousins. I was never in love with the Bob pick, so I can see them both honestly.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Thats the thing. I have admitted that it was making excuses for Cousins. What you seem to not want to admit is that the level of excuses made for Rg3 have been wide and varied and have blamed every one else for his struggles.

Fact... NO one, and I mean no one has blamed the O-line for Cousins problems.


And yet you STILL continue to make excuses for RG3 at every turn. JJ Watt wasnt on the field when RG3 gave up the other 65+ sacks in his career. More often than Not RG3 takes at least a half to even get warmed up and start scoring points. The only real reasons to be so devoted to RG3 at this point are if you actually believe in his potential ( which I dont at this point), or if you just cant bare the fact that we gave up half a draft for a fragile option QB.

As I've said many times I go back and read my posts and I really do sound pretty aggressive. Sorry, I'll try to work on that.

With that said please show me where you admitted that the 3 game pass you gave Cousins was an excuse. I must have missed it, all I could find is you admitting that Cousins is a turnover machine. Not only is that stating the obvious but it is not even close to admitting that you have been making excuses for Cousins. If I missed it please help me out by providing the post.

 

[Sharkinva]

As I've said many times I go back and read my posts and I really do sound pretty aggressive. Sorry, I'll try to work on that.

With that said please show me where you admitted that the 3 game pass you gave Cousins was an excuse. I must have missed it, all I could find is you admitting that Cousins is a turnover machine. Not only is that stating the obvious but it is not even close to admitting that you have been making excuses for Cousins. If I missed it please help me out by providing the post.

Dude, fine IM admitting it. I gave Cousins a three game pass for three games last year. This still in no way comes close to the damn near life long I will sacrifice my first born child type of defenses and excuses made for RG3. Questioning if he will ever pan out or if we infact made a mistake is treated as if some one asked to do bad things to some ones mom in alot of instances. To me he just isnt that special. Neither is Cousins.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dude, fine IM admitting it. I gave Cousins a three game pass for three games last year. .

LOL Now was that so hard?

I like your passion, I really do. And as you make solid points. But sorry, if you are going to claim that you have never made excuses for Cousins, then try to tell me that you had admitted it when you clearly didn't, well you best be prepared to get called on it because I will not let you get away with posting bullshit. You did no such thing as admitting you made excuses for Cousins until I literally had to force your hand just now.

How am I doing at my promise to not post so aggressively?

 

[j_y19]

LOL Now was that so hard?

I like your passion, I really do. And as you make solid points. But sorry, if you are going to claim that you have never made excuses for Cousins, then try to tell me that you had admitted it when you clearly didn't, well you best be prepared to get called on it because I will not let you get away with posting bullshit. You did no such thing as admitting you made excuses for Cousins until I literally had to force your hand just now.

How am I doing at my promise to not post so aggressively?

you two are both like junk yard dogs going after the same bone. I'm waiting for the mama insults to start flying......

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

you two are both like junk yard dogs going after the same bone. I'm waiting for the mama insults to start flying......

I think he already started down that road with the "first born child" comment.



Like I said Shark makes valid points. Nobody is blaming the offensive line for Cousins problems. Of course it would be more valid if he was actually under pressure as he air mailed receivers or hitting safeties directly in the numbers on those picks, but still it's a valid point. But let's be honest, most of his picks were on him, not the OL, so why would we blame the OL?