So am I still the only one that thinks.....

[FLSkinsfan]

I do not write often, but I have a strong feeling about this question of how I feel about this team.




1 I do believe that we get hurt on calls by the ref. This week it was not calling the QB in the grasp that turned into a 1st down and later ended in Points, or the called fumble where Roberts Knee was down and then ended in a field goal. When these things happen it is like the wind came out of our sails and then Cousins becomes an int machine like he does in every game when things go wrong.


2 I disagree with people that think that we would be worse then we are now with RG3 at the helm. One of the reasons I just stated is that Cousins makes mistakes because he is pressing himself to make plays to try to win on that throw, and with every mistake he makes himself press harder. With RG3 we have seen him make a mistake and then come right back and drive us down for score like the mistake never happened. Also he is listening to the coaches better then last year. In the first game he did as he was told. If you get pressure dump it off to get positive yards and we will try again on the next play. The game against Jacksonville they tried to move him around a little and he was sliding better and on the play he got hurt he was getting out of bounds when Jackson came open and he made the play but landed wrong on his foot, not his fault.


3 Our defense is not as bad as it seems. With all the injuries we are still in the top 15 in total defense. Not bad from where we were last year. I remember reading that everyone would be happy with this at the beginning of the season, but I guess we are not.

4 We do have talent on this team. We just need to stop the turnovers and make the f-in play. The drops, the bad reads, the miss tackles, I could go on, but you get the point. We have had a shot to win every game but the Giants game this year and we find ways to lose. I want to see us finally start finding ways to win in the end.

sorry for the length.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

One my signature is more a shot at the people constantly defending him more than at the player. And two, I do believe we would be just as bad, and likely worse if Rg3 were healthy and starting. Dont get me wrong, Cousins has his flaws which are quite evident at this point. But I dont think Rg3 is a fit for what Gruden wants to do. Three, I never even mentioned RG3 in my original post. I simply stated that I still think the real mistake was in firing the coach. Some one asked if I thought we would be better right now with Rg3 and I gave my honest opinion.

Your signature applies to our current QB more than the one who is injured.

 

[Sharkinva]

Your signature applies to our current QB more than the one who is injured.

And on that i call Bullshit. I see Not a single poster making excuses for Cousins. And damn sure not the excuses that were (and are constantly) made for Griffin.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

And on that i call Bullshit. I see Not a single poster making excuses for Cousins. And damn sure not the excuses that were (and are constantly) made for Griffin.

Griffin has 17 interceptions in 30 career games and Cousins 18 interceptions in 13 career games. 16 of 18 of those in the second half. 11 of the 18 in the 4th quarter. At least 6 of them this year came with a chance to move the team in position to score and take the lead in a game. With this staring you in the face I would think you would finally admit that you may have been wrong on Cousins. Yet after all this the best you can muster is Cousins "has his flaws".

So IMO you are just as guilty as the RGIII crowd. You were the one trying to claim the last 3 games didn't count because the team had mailed it in. Talk about making excuses, you totally dismissed the fact that the opponents were all crappy teams playing out the string too. How in the world is that not excusing away poor performances by your boy? You were basing a lot of your opinion on the starting QB based on what you saw in preseason which of course were more meaningless than the last 3 games last year. And you call out others for making excuses? Come on now, you were an equally guilty offender.

We never claimed that RGIII was a finished product. I was as vocal as anyone and my position was pretty clear: he had things to learn but had a better long term upside than the backup you were pimping who to date has shown to be exactly as we described him to you in early September. These are not excuses, they are opinions based on a lot of evidence.

 

[Tdog21Skins]

OK - fair enough. If your Gruden comment is accurate then that is pretty scary & doesn't say much for Gruden. A good coach should be able to adapt to his talent & not force feed a system on anyone. Like I stated after the Seahawks game - with RG3 the Skins should run a system like theirs. Don't attempt to have RG3 always in the pocket like Cousins. Mix it up - and have him still use his mobility but in a less risky way similar to Wilson. Common sense would tell you that is the correct approach (and we really don't know Gruden's thoughts in this area - we are just speculating).

Again - I want what is best for the team & want either guy to succeed. However - after yesterday - I am almost ready to give up on Cousins. He might correct his flaws that result in picks, but I don't see it anytime soon. I was more down on RG3 earlier but actually believe that there is more hope in correcting his flaws. However - it doesn't look that great for either right now (and that is why I want to see RG3 get another shot).

Almost all of my friends and even my older brother said the same thing especially after watching last Monday nights game we should use RG3 like how the Seahawks are using Russell Wilson, there's no reason why we shouldn't..the Redskins needs to stop trying to make RG3 something that he isn't; RG3 is not a pocket passer. Let him do what he does best and use him like how the 49ers use Kaepernick and how the Seahawks use Wilson.

 

[Sharkinva]

Griffin has 17 interceptions in 30 career games and Cousins 18 interceptions in 13 career games. 16 of 18 of those in the second half. 11 of the 18 in the 4th quarter. At least 6 of them this year came with a chance to move the team in position to score and take the lead in a game. With this staring you in the face I would think you would finally admit that you may have been wrong on Cousins. Yet after all this the best you can muster is Cousins "has his flaws".

So IMO you are just as guilty as the RGIII crowd. You were the one trying to claim the last 3 games didn't count because the team had mailed it in. Talk about making excuses, you totally dismissed the fact that the opponents were all crappy teams playing out the string too. How in the world is that not excusing away poor performances by your boy? You were basing a lot of your opinion on the starting QB based on what you saw in preseason which of course were more meaningless than the last 3 games last year. And you call out others for making excuses? Come on now, you were an equally guilty offender.

We never claimed that RGIII was a finished product. I was as vocal as anyone and my position was pretty clear: he had things to learn but had a better long term upside than the backup you were pimping who to date has shown to be exactly as we described him to you in early September. These are not excuses, they are opinions based on a lot of evidence.

I have not made any excuses for Cousins. His INt problems are his own. Funny that you point out the INTs, but ignore the sack numbers though. Bob has been sacked 72 times in his 30 starts. In the end Cousins has been what I expected. A guy who can run the offense, but prone to some mistakes. But then again Griffin has been exactly what I expected. an option QB prone to injury due to his playing style.

 

[skinz2winz]

That's just the bottom line. Kirk Cousins is a back up. After today, I'm totally done. I was never sold in the first place. I was not impressed, last year and definitely not impressed, this year. He's just a magnet for INTs. Him and RGIII do not compare.

People can say that Kirk Cousins fits the offense better. Hmmm!? I can't tell at this point. I can't wait to RGIII comes back. People have jumped off the bandwagon. I, for one, cannot and will not. I know what he did in 2012 was not an abhor ration. Not to mention, he was not horrible, last year, considering he probably shouldn't have played. He had some pretty good games, but special teams woes, bad play-calling, and bad defense made the Skins record worst than what it was. In RGIII's first game, this year, he was doing fairly well. In the first game, he was 29-37 276 0TDs and 0INTs. He should've had a TD, but it was fumbled by Niles Paul. Prior to the injury against the Jags, he threw a 57 yard strike to DeSean, but it got called back. Then, he hit Jackson for a strike, prior to hurting his ankle on the way out of bounds.

Coming into the season, I was worried about RGIII's health, not as a player on the field. I am very sure that RGIII is going to come back and do well. Will he be 2012 RGIII? No! Will he make plays and not be a turnover machine? I'm sure he will. Word is, he is likely to come back on the 27th of October against the Cowboys. I can't wait. I'm tired of seeing our backup completing passes to the other team.

And on the 27th I will be there with my Son who is in the USAF celebrating his 21st birthday cheering the Skins and RG3 on to victory!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I have not made any excuses for Cousins. His INt problems are his own. Funny that you point out the INTs, but ignore the sack numbers though. Bob has been sacked 72 times in his 30 starts. In the end Cousins has been what I expected. A guy who can run the offense, but prone to some mistakes. But then again Griffin has been exactly what I expected. an option QB prone to injury due to his playing style.

Prone to some mistakes? That is like stating that the Titanic sinking was a "minor boating accident". Cmon - fess up - Cousins is an INT machine until proven otherwise. Forget about RG3 - if there were no other QBs on the roster I would probably plan on another starter next season.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And on the 27th I will be there with my Son who is in the USAF celebrating his 21st birthday cheering the Skins and RG3 on to victory!

Well - forget about any chances of anything overall good for the season - I hope for both of your sakes that you are correct (even if it means RG3 screws up their draft position - sorry couldn't resist). Enjoy the game regardless.

 

[Sharkinva]

Prone to some mistakes? That is like stating that the Titanic sinking was a "minor boating accident". Cmon - fess up - Cousins is an INT machine until proven otherwise. Forget about RG3 - if there were no other QBs on the roster I would probably plan on another starter next season.

Thats the thing, you cant simply forget about RG3 as he is who Cousins is being compared to. So yes, one is an INT machine, and Bob is a sack magnet because he holds onto the ball too long.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Thats the thing, you cant simply forget about RG3 as he is who Cousins is being compared to. So yes, one is an INT machine, and Bob is a sack magnet because he holds onto the ball too long.

I have absolutely no problem with that statement. That is why you need to get at least one more sample from RG3 - see if he has learned anything or if it is time to move on. Again - if he incurs a major injury or just plain can't overcome his flaws to a significant degree then find a replacement. However - I think Cousins is way past that pt & - unlike RG3 in season 1 - has not shown a capacity to win games.

 

[Kevin12773]

And on that i call Bullshit. I see Not a single poster making excuses for Cousins. And damn sure not the excuses that were (and are constantly) made for Griffin.

Cousins has more picks in the past 8 quarters than Griffins career! I exagerate but it's hard to compare the 2 when 1 is a turnover machine and 1 is not. Give me the NON turnover machine all day every day. And Shark I love ya but saying 0-6 with RGIII is assanine.

 

[Sharkinva]

Cousins has more picks in the past 8 quarters than Griffins career! I exagerate but it's hard to compare the 2 when 1 is a turnover machine and 1 is not. Give me the NON turnover machine all day every day. And Shark I love ya but saying 0-6 with RGIII is assanine.

Kev... like I said above. One is a turn over machine, the other takes more sacks then a $2 hoe during fleet week. So no I dont think my 0-6 with RG3 is too far off.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Kev... like I said above. One is a turn over machine, the other takes more sacks then a $2 hoe during fleet week. So no I dont think my 0-6 with RG3 is too far off.

I will play along. During the Jags game RG3 was sacked once during his brief time & Cousins was sacked twice. So what exactly would RG3 do to not allow the Redskins to win this game when this was probably the only game to date where the defense played well the entire game. What exactly was going to happen - 20 more sacks for the Jags?

Typically sacks result in far less damage than interceptions & they also are not nearly as damaging mentally. Also - unlike Cousins your thoughts on RG3 are based on speculation based on previous years. For Cousins it is right in front of our face right now. This is one where I wish we could go back in time -I would bet any amt that RG3 and the Redskins would not lose to the Jags.

 

[Sharkinva]

I will play along. During the Jags game RG3 was sacked once during his brief time & Cousins was sacked twice. So what exactly would RG3 do to not allow the Redskins to win this game when this was probably the only game to date where the defense played well the entire game. What exactly was going to happen - 20 more sacks for the Jags?

Typically sacks result in far less damage than interceptions & they also are not nearly as damaging mentally. Also - unlike Cousins your thoughts on RG3 are based on speculation based on previous years. For Cousins it is right in front of our face right now. This is one where I wish we could go back in time -I would bet any amt that RG3 and the Redskins would not lose to the Jags.

Really??? I think you are stretching here as sacks are usually wasted plays just as much as ints. And honestly your opinion on RG3 is based on his "potential" and what he did two years ago in a totally different offense. If we were going to continue to run the option, he might be the better solution. And for every one saying we just need to do what Seattle does, that would require a QB that is willing to give up on a play every now and then, and can manage to stay healthy. So far Rg3 has shown neither trait.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I have not made any excuses for Cousins. His INt problems are his own. Funny that you point out the INTs, but ignore the sack numbers though. Bob has been sacked 72 times in his 30 starts. In the end Cousins has been what I expected. A guy who can run the offense, but prone to some mistakes. But then again Griffin has been exactly what I expected. an option QB prone to injury due to his playing style.

You excused away Cousins poor final 3 games last year under the umbrella that the team had mailed it in at the end of a losing season. The problem again is the other 3 teams were also playing out the string in a lost season.

Please answer my earlier question: how is that not making excuses for Cousins poor play? Please show me an example of me making anything close to that kind of excuse for Griffin's problems.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Really??? I think you are stretching here as sacks are usually wasted plays just as much as ints. And honestly your opinion on RG3 is based on his "potential" and what he did two years ago in a totally different offense. If we were going to continue to run the option, he might be the better solution. And for every one saying we just need to do what Seattle does, that would require a QB that is willing to give up on a play every now and then, and can manage to stay healthy. So far Rg3 has shown neither trait.

Are you really arguing that a sack is just as bad as an interception?

Really?



Then please explain why coaches always tell the young QB to eat the ball and live to play another down rather than turn the ball over and totally change the game.

 

[Sharkinva]

You excused away Cousins poor final 3 games last year under the umbrella that the team had mailed it in at the end of a losing season. The problem again is the other 3 teams were also playing out the string in a lost season.

Please answer my earlier question: how is that not making excuses for Cousins poor play? Please show me an example of me making anything close to that kind of excuse for Griffin's problems.


question, how can you claim the last 3 games don't count as not making excuses for his poor performances in those games?

The difference is, I have NOT been blaming every thing under the sun for Cousins poor play. I freely admit right this second, Cousins is a turn over machine. Now can you freely admit Rg3 takes more sacks than a cheap hooker on fleet night and that its NOT because of the Line as much as every one said oh the line sucks. All i have heard is, well if we beef up the line RG3 would be a stud. Kirk is playing with the same line, and has over the course of the last three years.

So there you have it, yes Cousins is a turn over machine. Whats Bobs excuse for taking 72 sacks over the past three seasons??

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Really??? I think you are stretching here as sacks are usually wasted plays just as much as ints. And honestly your opinion on RG3 is based on his "potential" and what he did two years ago in a totally different offense. If we were going to continue to run the option, he might be the better solution. And for every one saying we just need to do what Seattle does, that would require a QB that is willing to give up on a play every now and then, and can manage to stay healthy. So far Rg3 has shown neither trait.

Hmm.. like yesterday INTs are often pick sixes or picked in the red zone & stop a drive. Sacks can be damaging but more often than not result in a loss of a few yards & stop a drive, result in a punt, etc. Sure - there are times where sacks result in a fumble for a TD but much less often than INTs. You cannot tell me that a 3 INT game is the same as a 3 (or even 5) sack game.

How do you know how RG3 will react in these situations? He appeared to be willing to compromise quite a bit in the Texans game and people badmouthed him for it. Again - how exactly would he have lost that Jags game? I think that even McCoy might have routed that team on that day. Also - call it whatever you like, but the fact is that RG3 has actually guided this team to a winning record - Cousins has not. Why not do whatever you can to see how RG3 works in this offense? The only sample we have in this offense is for 1 1/4 games.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Talk in Washington of benching Kirk Cousins for Colt McCoy | ProFootballTalk

I am sure that this story has zero credibility. However - Shark - perhaps this is what you hope for the rest of the season for the Redskins.