here is alot of my reasoning right here

[Sharkinva]

this has much more to do with not liking the trade to get him then anything else . the guy is entering year 3 and they expect him to walk on water and buy into stupid CSI theories claiming Rg3 is a secret anti christ

So on the one hand, its bad to think we might have made a mistake on the trade. Yet on the other hand, because we made the trade, no other options should be considered?? Even if he does show that he can't break some of his bad habits with regard to holding onto the ball too long, refusing to throw the ball away and taking needless hits?? You know I think we made a mistake doing the trade. You dont compound a mistake by trying to force that mistake even further. If he does not show REAL improvement in the areas of reading defenses, getting rid of the ball sooner, and learning when to not make a blown play a negative blown play, they should open it up and let the best QB start. Notice I said best QB, not the best athlete.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So on the one hand, its bad to think we might have made a mistake on the trade. Yet on the other hand, because we made the trade, no other options should be considered?? Even if he does show that he can't break some of his bad habits with regard to holding onto the ball too long, refusing to throw the ball away and taking needless hits?? You know I think we made a mistake doing the trade. You dont compound a mistake by trying to force that mistake even further. If he does not show REAL improvement in the areas of reading defenses, getting rid of the ball sooner, and learning when to not make a blown play a negative blown play, they should open it up and let the best QB start. Notice I said best QB, not the best athlete.

I'll ask again: what is your Plan B? If it's Kirk Cousins I"ll respectfully disagree and move on. If it's drafting another QB, well you saw my thoughts on that. We've been searching for 30 years for a franchise QB, it's not like they can simply make a move and bingo one shows up on our doorstep.

Again I get the concern on Griff. But to bail when he's this young is crazy IMO given how difficult it would be to find someone that will be better.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'll ask again: what is your Plan B? If it's Kirk Cousins I"ll respectfully disagree and move on. If it's drafting another QB, well you saw my thoughts on that. We've been searching for 30 years for a franchise QB, it's not like they can simply make a move and bingo one shows up on our doorstep.

Again I get the concern on Griff. But to bail when he's this young is crazy IMO given how difficult it would be to find someone that will be better.

PLan B is you let them compete. If Cousins out performs him an an open competition then he gets the job. If RG3 cant beat him out and prove he is the better QB.. well then we just screwed the pooch and wasted three years.

 

[Sharkinva]

So let me ask you DG fan... whats the real fear in giving Cousins a shot?? That he might actually perform and make the trade look like a complete and utter failure?? That RG3's feelings might be hurt and he will perform worse because he cant believe he is even being questioned as the starter??

If Bob is as good as you all say, and Cousins is utter garbage as you imply, then it should be easy for RG3 to out QB him and retain the job right??

A man that has no fear of losing his job has no reason to change the way he is doing things. Even if the way he has been doing things isnt working out for the good of the team.

 

[skinsdad62]

So on the one hand, its bad to think we might have made a mistake on the trade. Yet on the other hand, because we made the trade, no other options should be considered?? Even if he does show that he can't break some of his bad habits with regard to holding onto the ball too long, refusing to throw the ball away and taking needless hits?? You know I think we made a mistake doing the trade. You dont compound a mistake by trying to force that mistake even further. If he does not show REAL improvement in the areas of reading defenses, getting rid of the ball sooner, and learning when to not make a blown play a negative blown play, they should open it up and let the best QB start. Notice I said best QB, not the best athlete.

your hard on for disliking Rg3 goes way beyond simply letting a guy develop . you hated the trade and you transfer that hate to rg3 . the guy cant wear the socks he wants to without you reading in to it

 

[Sharkinva]

your hard on for disliking Rg3 goes way beyond simply letting a guy develop . you hated the trade and you transfer that hate to rg3 . the guy cant wear the socks he wants to without you reading in to it

And you protect him as if he were your first born. He can come out and throw his coaches, team mates and hell I would dare say the pope under the bus and you would defend him. The trade was a mistake. I can live withthat and Im past it. Sticking with him and trying to continue to coddle him is yet another mistake Will be interesting to see if Gruden can fix him. And if he cant, will he make a decision thats best for the team.



Side note, I wonder where Seattle would be ringht now if they had said.. .well we committed $10 million guaranteed to Matt Flynn, so he has to be the starter no matter what.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I've posted this already but worth reposting. Griff is our QB. He wears the jersey. Let's root for him to succeed and wait for the play on the field before hatcheting him. Does he have things to learn? Sure. Has he been perfect? Hell no. But this is getting old before one snap of real time has occurred IMO.

 

[Sharkinva]

IM fine with giving him a chance to prove he can be the QB he was billed to be. What drives me nuts is how certain people ant to treat our QB position like a DC highschool math test.. .dont raise the bar, lower expectations. Eventually if you lower them enough he will surpass them and all will be right.

I cant stand the Seahawks, but I think we should look real hard at what they did at the QB situation and ask if RG3 is capable of allowing himself to play like Wilson. If he isnt, then we should stop kidding ourselves.

 

[PDay8810]

hang in there dad......you got it right from a football fans perspective.


as the wind blows...bad trade to franchise QB to problem child QB in just over 24 months
It is what it is

 

[gkekoa]

We have a pro-bowl LT, pro-bowl RB, 2 pro-bowl WRs...the question mark is the QB.


We have two pro-bowl OLBs, a pro-bowl DE, and some very solid pieces on defense. There are questions on defense...but if they hold opponents to 21 PPG, we should win.


With the pieces we have on offense, we should easily score 24PPG.


This season hinges on the QB...that is what most people are saying. The OL is a question mark; however, with those other pieces, everything falls on RG3 because most QBs in this league would love the surrounding offense here.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So let me ask you DG fan... whats the real fear in giving Cousins a shot?? That he might actually perform and make the trade look like a complete and utter failure?? That RG3's feelings might be hurt and he will perform worse because he cant believe he is even being questioned as the starter??

If Bob is as good as you all say, and Cousins is utter garbage as you imply, then it should be easy for RG3 to out QB him and retain the job right??

A man that has no fear of losing his job has no reason to change the way he is doing things. Even if the way he has been doing things isnt working out for the good of the team.

You are going to force me into this aren't you? Apologies to the rest of the board if they are tired of this discussion.

First off you do not open the QB competion unless the backup has been so impressive you have no choice (Brady, Romo) or the starter has failed miserably after years of trying (Gabbert, Colt McCoy). How long did SF hang with Alex Smith? After years of waiting he turned out decent. Not great but surely better than the flavor of the month backups the fans in SF no doubt were calling for after a few good performances in preseason games against future spot welders.

Kirk Cousins is what he is: an average pro prospect who had turnover issues in college that have continued in his pro career. He has limited skills. Since arriving he has had one good game in Cleveland, a good half against Atlanta and he has looked good in preseason. That's it, that's the list. He has also looked absolutely terrible. Turnovers win and lose more games than any other stat and this guy's turnover rate is off the chart. He has 14 turnovers in 8 career games. And that includes 2 games when he came in late. Why does he get a pass for this again? Oh yeah, he's young. I don't care, we're talking merit and Cousins has done nothing other than not be Robert Griffin III to merit an open competition.

I don't want to hear how those last 3 games were meaningless. They were anything but meaningless for Kirk Cousins. This was his big audition, play well and you probably entice a team in a league desperate for QBs to give him a shot as a starter. No these performances were huge for Kirk and he crapped the bed. After a good half against Allanta he proceeded to turn the ball over 7 times in 3 games against horrible teams who had also packed it in.

There is nothing to date that Kirk Cousins has done that would merit an open competition. As Parcells once said if you have 2 QBs you don't have any. Robert Griffin was the Offensive Rookie of the Year, I love how people somehow have erased that year from the records as they continue to hang their hat on meaningless preseason games and a few bright moments for Cousins while conveniently overlooking all his bad moments. And again RGIII's numbers in every conceivable passing stat were better than Cousins' last year in a year that gave fans like you reason to believe Cousins would be a better option.

You may be fooled by how a guy looks in preseason but I'm not.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

IM fine with giving him a chance to prove he can be the QB he was billed to be. What drives me nuts is how certain people ant to treat our QB position like a DC highschool math test.. .dont raise the bar, lower expectations. Eventually if you lower them enough he will surpass them and all will be right.

I cant stand the Seahawks, but I think we should look real hard at what they did at the QB situation and ask if RG3 is capable of allowing himself to play like Wilson. If he isnt, then we should stop kidding ourselves.

I'd never disagree that the best player to give our team the best shot to win should be on the field, QB or not... There are intangibles at play that are always going to be argued. And it is fun to debate things. But at this point opinions seem to be set on this subject. Until we have more info, there is nothing more to add on the subject IMO. We WILL have something new in 2 days time, thank the baby jeezus...

I can understand your frustration regarding some opinions that are not your own. I'm sure the feeling is returned. We all feel that way about certain bones of contention...cue the Name Debate...

Opinions will always vary, that's all I'm saying. Sometimes we just have to let it be and let things play out, till we have more information.

We will know soon enough by looking at the play on The field, whether progress is happening or not. Then we can debate who is responsible or at fault for it....lmao.

Goooooooooo skins

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

We have a pro-bowl LT, pro-bowl RB, 2 pro-bowl WRs...the question mark is the QB.


We have two pro-bowl OLBs, a pro-bowl DE, and some very solid pieces on defense. There are questions on defense...but if they hold opponents to 21 PPG, we should win.


With the pieces we have on offense, we should easily score 24PPG.


This season hinges on the QB...that is what most people are saying. The OL is a question mark; however, with those other pieces, everything falls on RG3 because most QBs in this league would love the surrounding offense here.

We also have something called Chris Chester as well as Tyler Polumbus and an average at best center starting on the OL. We also have an injury prone young TE with no real backup that scares anyone.

Let's not make this out to be the '91 Redskins just yet.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I'd never disagree that the best player to give our team the best shot to win should be on the field, QB or not... There are intangibles at play that are always going to be argued. And it is fun to debate things. But at this point opinions seem to be set on this subject. Until we have more info, there is nothing more to add on the subject IMO. We WILL have something new in 2 days time, thank the baby jeezus...

I can understand your frustration regarding some opinions that are not your own. I'm sure the feeling is returned. We all feel that way about certain bones of contention...cue the Name Debate...

Opinions will always vary, that's all I'm saying. Sometimes we just have to let it be and let things play out, till we have more information.

We will know soon enough by looking at the play on The field, whether progress is happening or not. Then we can debate who is responsible or at fault for it....lmao.

Goooooooooo skins

Who let The Voice Of Reason into the room?

Again I get the frustration with Griffin. Hell I wish he was better too and I get the concern. And this just in, the noise will only grow louder if he plays poorly.

But again people claiming that Kirk Cousins is the answer are just blinded by rage IMO. Calling our QB "Bob", a phrase coined by a Giants defender and a clear sign of disrespect, just shouldn't come out of a poster who calls himself a Redskins fan IMO.

 

[Sharkinva]

We also have something called Chris Chester as well as Tyler Polumbus and an average at best center starting on the OL. We also have an injury prone young TE with no real backup that scares anyone.

Let's not make this out to be the '91 Redskins just yet.

Or lets prime the excuses now. Bottom line, if this team stays relatively healthy and doesnt at least contend for the Division, odds are the failure started some where after the line and before the RB.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Not sure why you can't go back and edit a post after only a few minutes but another point I'd like to make is creating a QB controversy prematurely has very damaging ramifications. See Cutler, Jay in Denver.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Or lets prime the excuses now. Bottom line, if this team stays relatively healthy and doesnt at least contend for the Division, odds are the failure started some where after the line and before the RB.

I do not disagree that our success/failure rests with the QB more than anyone else. But come on now, his post made is sound like this offense was completely loaded and any fool could QB it to 9 wins. That is simply not the case, we have very real problems on the OL. In fact we have only one starter that I would call good on that line and nobody is confusing Trent Williams with Jim Lachey. Would you disagree with that assessment?

 

[Sharkinva]

Not sure why you can't go back and edit a post after only a few minutes but another point I'd like to make is creating a QB controversy prematurely has very damaging ramifications. See Cutler, Jay in Denver.

Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If its about putting the best player on the field, then RG3 should be able to win an open comp IF he is the player you think he is. If not, then telling him its his job no matter what can damage the entire team.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Not sure why you can't go back and edit a post after only a few minutes but another point I'd like to make is creating a QB controversy prematurely has very damaging ramifications. See Cutler, Jay in Denver.

You've got 5 minutes. Reason for it is to limit trolls from changing your posts.

You can 'quote' your post with additions to it, if you miss out on the edit time.

 

[Sharkinva]

I do not disagree that our success/failure rests with the QB more than anyone else. But come on now, his post made is sound like this offense was completely loaded and any fool could QB it to 9 wins. That is simply not the case, we have very real problems on the OL. In fact we have only one starter that I would call good and nobody is confusing Trent Williams with Jim Lachey.

Come on dude... you really think we couldnt plug McCoy in and get 6 wins out of this team?? If Rg3 is a franchise QB, this team should at least compete for the division this year. Otherwise he really is just Average Bob I would think.