Series Thread: Let Freedom Ring! Rangers at the Mets 7/4 - 7/6

[lainey12]

Oh, I lay a little of this blame on JD. Going into this season basically relying on Harrison and Lewis on your rotation. This team could go very far on a good rotation and we didn't have one from the get go.

but in fairness to JD, studies pointed to Harrison being okay.
Yu, Holland/Perez/Harry...that looked pretty dang good to me.

I am pizzed off about the Gentry trade, all it did was make them better, and we could have used him. I still don't get why he would trust Beane. He NEVER trades in the division. Red flag JD? Detroit trading you a beast and throwing money at you for Kinsler? Maybe slow down a little and make sure he's okay.

But more than anything, back to Beane.
Like I said before, next time tell him to flip off and hang up. I hate the thought of making that team better.

And I don't want to hear, but but an OF prospect, yeah Beane knows something we didn't, no way he gives up a guy that good for Gentry.
Everytime I see Gentry saving a hit for that team I want to puke.

 

[lainey12]

And a message to our farm, enough with the freaking IF's. We got it. I realize we have some maybe guys for the future, but boy what did we really have ready for the departure of Hamilton and Cruz.
It was Upton or nothing apparently.


Arrghh. I'm done.
At least I birdied three holes for our family golf outing today. (four person, made three good putts) I should have never checked in on baseball.


Oh I hate the Cubs now too, may you never, ever win anything.
Unless it's against the A's

 

[darrylgann]

but in fairness to JD, studies pointed to Harrison being okay.
Yu, Holland/Perez/Harry...that looked pretty dang good to me.

I am pizzed off about the Gentry trade, all it did was make them better, and we could have used him. I still don't get why he would trust Beane. He NEVER trades in the division. Red flag JD? Detroit trading you a beast and throwing money at you for Kinsler? Maybe slow down a little and make sure he's okay.

But more than anything, back to Beane.
Like I said before, next time tell him to flip off and hang up. I hate the thought of making that team better.

And I don't want to hear, but but an OF prospect, yeah Beane knows something we didn't, no way he gives up a guy that good for Gentry.
Everytime I see Gentry saving a hit for that team I want to puke.

Studies? I wouldn't trust studies on a guy who had two back operations and a shoulder operation and to expect to pitch a full season. And we still haven't seen Holland throw one pitch. We had Yu, Perez (coming off a rookie season) and a thirty something with a new hip. That is no match to what Oakland has.

Pitching wins championships and that is what Oakland did today. Get more pitching.

 

[lainey12]

But everything that asshole touches seems to turn to gold...

I forgot to thank you for calling him an asshole

 

[Bmurph]

I sure hope there is some Kershaw like major league ready stud we can draft next year cause we WILL be drafting high

We will have the worst record in all of baseball in a couple weeks, Az and Houston will be passing us very soon.

 

[Bmurph]

You know, this is a huge risk for the A's - Samardzjia has no AL experience, and Hammel wasn't great for the O's...and they traded away their top two prospects and Straily's not bad...whew!

But it's the A's, and everything always seems to come up roses for them.

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS FUCK THE OAKLAND A's

 

[darrylgann]

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS FUCK THE OAKLAND A's

Still aggravated by it all.

 

[Bmurph]

Maybe JD is in Cabo, still trying to get signal on his phone or maybe he has Theo blocked? Seems that the team with the biggest need for starting pitching just got duped by Billy. A SS prospect plus PTBNL just netted the A's 2 starting pitchers.

 

[Bmurph]

Studies? I wouldn't trust studies on a guy who had two back operations and a shoulder operation and to expect to pitch a full season. And we still haven't seen Holland throw one pitch. We had Yu, Perez (coming off a rookie season) and a thirty something with a new hip. That is no match to what Oakland has.

Pitching wins championships and that is what Oakland did today. Get more pitching.

Daniels seems to have a huge disconnect in his thought process on injured players, he gambles way to often on players coming back from major injuries and filling spots in the rotation.

 

[Bmurph]

Maybe JD is in Cabo, still trying to get signal on his phone or maybe he has Theo blocked? Seems that the team with the biggest need for starting pitching just got duped by Billy. A SS prospect plus PTBNL just netted the A's 2 starting pitchers.

Check that just saw Straily was added plus a player but damn it doesn't seem the Rangers couldn't have matched that with something similar or better to acquire 2 starting pitchers with the possibility of locking them up before FA

 

[lainey12]

Studies? I wouldn't trust studies on a guy who had two back operations and a shoulder operation and to expect to pitch a full season. And we still haven't seen Holland throw one pitch. We had Yu, Perez (coming off a rookie season) and a thirty something with a new hip. That is no match to what Oakland has.

Pitching wins championships and that is what Oakland did today. Get more pitching.

I realize that about pitching, I'm trying to be fair. For two years I wanted him to get another starter, but typically I would get hammered for that opinion if it wasn't freaking David Price.

The thing about JD is, he did put together that farm, he did put together two pennant teams. I also think think that just the presence of Nolan Ryan was an attraction to players, and probably Maddux. It worried me that as soon as Nolan was gone, Maddux seemed to want out...but that may and probably means absolutely nothing. He just wanted his own team.

The problem is, JD is still so young. There's the danger of overestimating your abilities when you're that young and have that level of success, most of that is just human nature. Then you're handed full control for the first time, maybe feel like you have something to prove to fans and the owners now that Ryan is gone. Again, human nature. The best thing you can do is get guys in there that will not be "yes men", and also get someone in there that can communicate better with players. Players do understand that eventually they may/probably will be traded and may also be asked to move, I don't think that's the problem here, I think that JD has a hard time, for whatever reason communicating in a respectful manner with them. I think he avoids it, maybe he has a fear of it, I don't know. Could be his age.

I don't care if fans hate Michael Young, first they're ridiculous for hating him, but more than that... Young said, and I absolutely believe him. (JD admitted it) JD never once, called him...even just to chat, say thank you, ask his opinion, tell him he hopes his family is doing well, WHATEVER it is... the idea is your showing some respect to a long tenured, beloved Ranger, and you can't manage to make one phone call to MY during your entire time here? And to be clear, I was never some huge MY fan. I like him, I appreciated him.

Another aspect is what my fella calls the "Jerry Jones" effect. He, as much as anyone on this board is a Cowboy fan, has been since he was little. I listen to it, but he knows I don't have a huge interest in the NFL. His theory about Daniels is that fans are so frustrated with Jones, JD comes along and oh boy, a GM that turns around a Rangers team...in the right direction. He's going to get a lot of worship, most of it deserved. And it's not just the fans, it's the media too. He'll get a pass from them, and to get more access, he'll get cooperation from them. JD is a jedi, he is, extremely intelligent and he knows how to work the media to get HIS narrative out there, with nobody really questioning him when maybe they should have asked some questions.

One of the regular guys that does the ESPN MLB broadcasts was at the table with Kinsler, EA , Beltre and others, when Kinsler gets the call in Hawaii, not from his agent...that he's been traded. (I forget the guys name, sorry...someone may know, he's a regular) He's the first one that I've heard that put some of this Kinsler stuff in perspective without fear of JD. Kinsler bolts out of the dinner, Andrus follows. Andrus and Beltre are trying to get their agents on the line. Kinsler and EA return about 45 to 60 minutes later. "They both had been crying, it was tough" direct quote.

And to those of you still clinging to Kinsler suddenly changing his mind about moving off second at the age of 31, while still a top 2nd. You're still wrong. He did not suddenly change his mind. In his contract that obviously JD stamped. It stated "Kinsler asks not to be moved in 2013". That's a smart thing to put in a contract, he's trying to avoid the whole bad PR that went with on Young. Plus once again, he was only asking to keep his position until he was 31, for the love of god, there's nothing wrong with a top guy wanting that, and obviously JD agreed. IT WAS HIS CONTRACT, he approved.

so, then we get a convenient press release, that NEVER should have been made public. Kinsler, his agent. Moreland, his agent are forced to have a meeting with JD involving their agents....if two agents show up, there's a problem. The problem is in the paragraph above. I'm sure both agents were saying, you asked him to move when you signed a contract saying he didn't even want to be asked, and you agreed not to, and then you did it. Now, we ARE seeing a "sleazy" side to JD. He was upset because he found Profar and he wanted him to start, because you know, that would have saved the season last year. No, it wouldn't have. It was JD getting carried away because he found the top kid. Does anyone see the Cards Org. freaking out because Tavares isn't starting at such a young age? No, they'd like to play him, but nothing horrible is going to happen if he spends most of the season in AAA.

Don't think Ian Kinsler was loyal to this team, you're wrong again. He was willing to move postions at the age of 32. When he signed that contract, he was near the top, in fact it might have been a 30-30 year. But he was still willing to move for the team at a pretty young age.
He did not want to leave the Rangers, and it was clear in the contract he would do what it took to stay.

What does JD say to the press, "we all decided it was best for the team to keep Kins at 2nd and MM at first" but then THIS little caveat that led to all the fighting about Profar and Kinsler last year.
He ended that release with.
"Are you surprised that Kinsler wouldn't move?"
"yeah, I was a little surprised" NO. YOU. WEREN'T. He was lying, and Kinsler paid the PR price. Where was the press saying hey, "I've got his contract JD"...it looks like you knew this wasn't going to happen.
No where, no one touched it.

That's why he thinks he's a sleazeball. Kinsler loved the team, loved Texas, loved his teammates...he didn't really want them to go 0 and 162, he said that part was a just a joke and, of course it was. The Daniels part, was no joke, he shouldn't of said it, but I get what happened there. The wave thing was strange, but Kinsler had dinner with a lot of players when he was here. I don't know what to make of that, but I saw him do the same wave to Beltre when he was rounding third in Detroit and Beltre gave the wave back. He might of really misjudged how it looked. But notice no one wanted to throw Kinsler under the bus, when they certainly could have. Wash said he should have been beaned, and that's fair.

What's the point of all this? Has JD learned this game will humble the best. And he isn't the best. Keep the ego in check as much as possible, and don't get a reputation for being an asshole to players. You won't be able to buy everyone you want if that type of reputation starts to get some teeth.

There are GM's that are just as good as JD, some better, their farms are good. And they have no reputation for having problems with players and letting it all this crappy PR go to press. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
So, JD is young...he'll learn and while the guy can manage to really disappoint me, I want him going no where. I do believe in him.

And all the JD over-top-defenders need to take a deep breath. He isn't going anywhere, and fans do have a right to not like every single thing he does.

 

[Bmurph]

I realize that about pitching, I'm trying to be fair. For two years I wanted him to get another starter, but typically I would get hammered for that opinion if it wasn't freaking David Price.

The thing about JD is, he did put together that farm, he did put together two pennant teams. I also think think that just the presence of Nolan Ryan was an attraction to players, and probably Maddux. It worried me that as soon as Nolan was gone, Maddux seemed to want out...but that may and probably means absolutely nothing. He just wanted his own team.

The problem is, JD is still so young. There's the danger of overestimating your abilities when you're that young and have that level of success, most of that is just human nature. Then you're handed full control for the first time, maybe feel like you have something to prove to fans and the owners now that Ryan is gone. Again, human nature. The best thing you can do is get guys in there that will not be "yes men", and also get someone in there that can communicate better with players. Players do understand that eventually they may/probably will be traded and may also be asked to move, I don't think that's the problem here, I think that JD has a hard time, for whatever reason communicating in a respectful manner with them. I think he avoids it, maybe he has a fear of it, I don't know. Could be his age.

I don't care if fans hate Michael Young, first they're ridiculous for hating him, but more than that... Young said, and I absolutely believe him. (JD admitted it) JD never once, called him...even just to chat, say thank you, ask his opinion, tell him he hopes his family is doing well, WHATEVER it is... the idea is your showing some respect to a long tenured, beloved Ranger, and you can't manage to make one phone call to MY during your entire time here? And to be clear, I was never some huge MY fan. I like him, I appreciated him.

Another aspect is what my fella calls the "Jerry Jones" effect. He, as much as anyone on this board is a Cowboy fan, has been since he was little. I listen to it, but he knows I don't have a huge interest in the NFL. His theory about Daniels is that fans are so frustrated with Jones, JD comes along and oh boy, a GM that turns around a Rangers team...in the right direction. He's going to get a lot of worship, most of it deserved. And it's not just the fans, it's the media too. He'll get a pass from them, and to get more access, he'll get cooperation from them. JD is a jedi, he is, extremely intelligent and he knows how to work the media to get HIS narrative out there, with nobody really questioning him when maybe they should have asked some questions.

One of the regular guys that does the ESPN MLB broadcasts was at the table with Kinsler, EA , Beltre and others, when Kinsler gets the call in Hawaii, not from his agent...that he's been traded. (I forget the guys name, sorry...someone may know, he's a regular) He's the first one that I've heard that put some of this Kinsler stuff in perspective without fear of JD. Kinsler bolts out of the dinner, Andrus follows. Andrus and Beltre are trying to get their agents on the line. Kinsler and EA return about 45 to 60 minutes later. "They both had been crying, it was tough" direct quote.

And to those of you still clinging to Kinsler suddenly changing his mind about moving off second at the age of 31, while still a top 2nd. You're still wrong. He did not suddenly change his mind. In his contract that obviously JD stamped. It stated "Kinsler asks not to be moved in 2013". That's a smart thing to put in a contract, he's trying to avoid the whole bad PR that went with on Young. Plus once again, he was only asking to keep his position until he was 31, for the love of god, there's nothing wrong with a top guy wanting that, and obviously JD agreed. IT WAS HIS CONTRACT, he approved.

so, then we get a convenient press release, that NEVER should have been made public. Kinsler, his agent. Moreland, his agent are forced to have a meeting with JD involving their agents....if two agents show up, there's a problem. The problem is in the paragraph above. I'm sure both agents were saying, you asked him to move when you signed a contract saying he didn't even want to be asked, and you agreed not to, and then you did it. Now, we ARE seeing a "sleazy" side to JD. He was upset because he found Profar and he wanted him to start, because you know, that would have saved the season last year. No, it wouldn't have. It was JD getting carried away because he found the top kid. Does anyone see the Cards Org. freaking out because Tavares isn't starting at such a young age? No, they'd like to play him, but nothing horrible is going to happen if he spends most of the season in AAA.

Don't think Ian Kinsler was loyal to this team, you're wrong again. He was willing to move postions at the age of 32. When he signed that contract, he was near the top, in fact it might have been a 30-30 year. But he was still willing to move for the team at a pretty young age.
He did not want to leave the Rangers, and it was clear in the contract he would do what it took to stay.

What does JD say to the press, "we all decided it was best for the team to keep Kins at 2nd and MM at first" but then THIS little caveat that led to all the fighting about Profar and Kinsler last year.
He ended that release with.
"Are you surprised that Kinsler wouldn't move?"
"yeah, I was a little surprised" NO. YOU. WEREN'T. He was lying, and Kinsler paid the PR price. Where was the press saying hey, "I've got his contract JD"...it looks like you knew this wasn't going to happen.
No where, no one touched it.

That's why he thinks he's a sleazeball. Kinsler loved the team, loved Texas, loved his teammates...he didn't really want them to go 0 and 162, he said that part was a just a joke and, of course it was. The Daniels part, was no joke, he shouldn't of said it, but I get what happened there. The wave thing was strange, but Kinsler had dinner with a lot of players when he was here. I don't know what to make of that, but I saw him do the same wave to Beltre when he was rounding third in Detroit and Beltre gave the wave back. He might of really misjudged how it looked. But notice no one wanted to throw Kinsler under the bus, when they certainly could have. Wash said he should have been beaned, and that's fair.

What's the point of all this? Has JD learned this game will humble the best. And he isn't the best. Keep the ego in check as much as possible, and don't get a reputation for being an asshole to players. You won't be able to buy everyone you want if that type of reputation starts to get some teeth.

There are GM's that are just as good as JD, some better, their farms are good. And they have no reputation for having problems with players and letting it all this crappy PR go to press. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
So, JD is young...he'll learn and while the guy can manage to really disappoint me, I want him going no where. I do believe in him.

And all the JD over-top-defenders need to take a deep breath. He isn't going anywhere, and fans do have a right to not like every single thing he does.

Breathe Lainey

 

[lainey12]

Breathe Lainey

I breathe and type at the same time Murph. Yeah I'm upset, we just got Beaned again.
It'll pass.

 

[Bmurph]

I breathe and type at the same time Murph. Yeah I'm upset, we just got Beaned again.
It'll pass.

Good, I feel you! I foresee several years as bottom feeders as all the teams in the division are better than us and will continue until we add pitching depth and stop taking flyers on some rehab option, every year.

 

[Bmurph]

I forgot to thank you for calling him an asshole

That asshole owns the Rangers, with his moves

 

[donaldson79]

I realize that about pitching, I'm trying to be fair. For two years I wanted him to get another starter, but typically I would get hammered for that opinion if it wasn't freaking David Price.

The thing about JD is, he did put together that farm, he did put together two pennant teams. I also think think that just the presence of Nolan Ryan was an attraction to players, and probably Maddux. It worried me that as soon as Nolan was gone, Maddux seemed to want out...but that may and probably means absolutely nothing. He just wanted his own team.

The problem is, JD is still so young. There's the danger of overestimating your abilities when you're that young and have that level of success, most of that is just human nature. Then you're handed full control for the first time, maybe feel like you have something to prove to fans and the owners now that Ryan is gone. Again, human nature. The best thing you can do is get guys in there that will not be "yes men", and also get someone in there that can communicate better with players. Players do understand that eventually they may/probably will be traded and may also be asked to move, I don't think that's the problem here, I think that JD has a hard time, for whatever reason communicating in a respectful manner with them. I think he avoids it, maybe he has a fear of it, I don't know. Could be his age.

I don't care if fans hate Michael Young, first they're ridiculous for hating him, but more than that... Young said, and I absolutely believe him. (JD admitted it) JD never once, called him...even just to chat, say thank you, ask his opinion, tell him he hopes his family is doing well, WHATEVER it is... the idea is your showing some respect to a long tenured, beloved Ranger, and you can't manage to make one phone call to MY during your entire time here? And to be clear, I was never some huge MY fan. I like him, I appreciated him.

Another aspect is what my fella calls the "Jerry Jones" effect. He, as much as anyone on this board is a Cowboy fan, has been since he was little. I listen to it, but he knows I don't have a huge interest in the NFL. His theory about Daniels is that fans are so frustrated with Jones, JD comes along and oh boy, a GM that turns around a Rangers team...in the right direction. He's going to get a lot of worship, most of it deserved. And it's not just the fans, it's the media too. He'll get a pass from them, and to get more access, he'll get cooperation from them. JD is a jedi, he is, extremely intelligent and he knows how to work the media to get HIS narrative out there, with nobody really questioning him when maybe they should have asked some questions.

One of the regular guys that does the ESPN MLB broadcasts was at the table with Kinsler, EA , Beltre and others, when Kinsler gets the call in Hawaii, not from his agent...that he's been traded. (I forget the guys name, sorry...someone may know, he's a regular) He's the first one that I've heard that put some of this Kinsler stuff in perspective without fear of JD. Kinsler bolts out of the dinner, Andrus follows. Andrus and Beltre are trying to get their agents on the line. Kinsler and EA return about 45 to 60 minutes later. "They both had been crying, it was tough" direct quote.

And to those of you still clinging to Kinsler suddenly changing his mind about moving off second at the age of 31, while still a top 2nd. You're still wrong. He did not suddenly change his mind. In his contract that obviously JD stamped. It stated "Kinsler asks not to be moved in 2013". That's a smart thing to put in a contract, he's trying to avoid the whole bad PR that went with on Young. Plus once again, he was only asking to keep his position until he was 31, for the love of god, there's nothing wrong with a top guy wanting that, and obviously JD agreed. IT WAS HIS CONTRACT, he approved.

so, then we get a convenient press release, that NEVER should have been made public. Kinsler, his agent. Moreland, his agent are forced to have a meeting with JD involving their agents....if two agents show up, there's a problem. The problem is in the paragraph above. I'm sure both agents were saying, you asked him to move when you signed a contract saying he didn't even want to be asked, and you agreed not to, and then you did it. Now, we ARE seeing a "sleazy" side to JD. He was upset because he found Profar and he wanted him to start, because you know, that would have saved the season last year. No, it wouldn't have. It was JD getting carried away because he found the top kid. Does anyone see the Cards Org. freaking out because Tavares isn't starting at such a young age? No, they'd like to play him, but nothing horrible is going to happen if he spends most of the season in AAA.

Don't think Ian Kinsler was loyal to this team, you're wrong again. He was willing to move postions at the age of 32. When he signed that contract, he was near the top, in fact it might have been a 30-30 year. But he was still willing to move for the team at a pretty young age.
He did not want to leave the Rangers, and it was clear in the contract he would do what it took to stay.

What does JD say to the press, "we all decided it was best for the team to keep Kins at 2nd and MM at first" but then THIS little caveat that led to all the fighting about Profar and Kinsler last year.
He ended that release with.
"Are you surprised that Kinsler wouldn't move?"
"yeah, I was a little surprised" NO. YOU. WEREN'T. He was lying, and Kinsler paid the PR price. Where was the press saying hey, "I've got his contract JD"...it looks like you knew this wasn't going to happen.
No where, no one touched it.

That's why he thinks he's a sleazeball. Kinsler loved the team, loved Texas, loved his teammates...he didn't really want them to go 0 and 162, he said that part was a just a joke and, of course it was. The Daniels part, was no joke, he shouldn't of said it, but I get what happened there. The wave thing was strange, but Kinsler had dinner with a lot of players when he was here. I don't know what to make of that, but I saw him do the same wave to Beltre when he was rounding third in Detroit and Beltre gave the wave back. He might of really misjudged how it looked. But notice no one wanted to throw Kinsler under the bus, when they certainly could have. Wash said he should have been beaned, and that's fair.

What's the point of all this? Has JD learned this game will humble the best. And he isn't the best. Keep the ego in check as much as possible, and don't get a reputation for being an asshole to players. You won't be able to buy everyone you want if that type of reputation starts to get some teeth.

There are GM's that are just as good as JD, some better, their farms are good. And they have no reputation for having problems with players and letting it all this crappy PR go to press. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
So, JD is young...he'll learn and while the guy can manage to really disappoint me, I want him going no where. I do believe in him.

And all the JD over-top-defenders need to take a deep breath. He isn't going anywhere, and fans do have a right to not like every single thing he does.

Thanks for the book.

 

[donaldson79]

On Frasor: RHP Jason Frasor has allowed four of eight inherited runners to score since June 10 and has allowed hitters a .417 batting average (10-for-24) in that stretch. Also, since June 10, he’s managed to pitch a full inning just once.

The good and the bad on Choo: Choo has reached base nine times in 14 plate appearances over the last three games. Choo, who spent the previous two games as the DH, did not take a good route on Lucas Duda’s controversial first-inning homer and had a late, awkward jump for the ball, which hit just above his glove.

 

[BLeslie59Rangers]

All this is starting to tip me to trade EA in the offseason, Cards could move Peralta to 2nd. We might be able to get some pitching. And trading EA actually makes my mood worse, but JD is not going to sit back, he's probably thinking he could move some salary. Odor looks good to go to me, just rookie stuff that I'm seeing. I still think Profar will excel once he can get his game back, how soon is the question.
I'm sure there are possibilities for EA elsewhere, but it's the one that seems like the best shot. (Maybe it's because I know the team better than I know other teams) I absolutely believe they wanted him in the offseason. And, I don't think they will be deterred by a down season.
We need more production from the OF next year, I don't know what you do there.

someone else probably has good ideas. But if we end up with a VERY young middle infield, you've got to be careful, you need some veteran presence. Yes there's Choo, but I'm thinking a power guy presence with some time. (speaking of the OF)

Another thing this trade does is bring the Cubs SS's into play. They now have the #1 SS prospect in baseball to go with their current SS, Castro. You know they will be looking to shop one of them to get more pitching...and that will throw a big wrench into us trying to move EA...

 

[WastinSomeTime]

On Frasor: RHP Jason Frasor has allowed four of eight inherited runners to score since June 10 and has allowed hitters a .417 batting average (10-for-24) in that stretch. Also, since June 10, he’s managed to pitch a full inning just once.

The good and the bad on Choo: Choo has reached base nine times in 14 plate appearances over the last three games. Choo, who spent the previous two games as the DH, did not take a good route on Lucas Duda’s controversial first-inning homer and had a late, awkward jump for the ball, which hit just above his glove.

I was hoping we could trade Frasor at the deadline. His age makes me think it would be hard for him to have a high level of success for a season.

 

[WastinSomeTime]

I breathe and type at the same time Murph. Yeah I'm upset, we just got Beaned again.
It'll pass.

Colby threw Kinsler under the bus with class.