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[HighMark]

Can't remember the last time a 7th round draft pick got this much attention. Will be interesting to see his endorsements. Who will go there?

 

[NinerSickness]

Jason Collins
Kawame Harris
Michael Sam...

Theory: being gay makes you suck at sports.

 

[Wolvie]

Gay is wrong isn't an opinion LOL.

Gay is a choice is not an opinion.

yeah right, theres a gay gene but it only shows up once every 5 million times ? LOL

theres a reason the medical profession doesn't allow gays to donate blood. Its a high risk unsafe unneeded behavior that benefits and helps no one.

 

[WiFiTy]

Jason Collins
Kawame Harris
Michael Sam...

Theory: being gay makes you suck at sports.

Who came up with that theory?

 

[ram29jackson]

IE you have no response that proves me wrong

 

[WizardHawk]

IE you have no response that proves me wrong

Actually people just point out what a tard you and your ilk are because of stuff like this:
http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/sports-forum-general-discussion/150163-study-shows-strongly-held-incorrect-beliefs-often-cannot-changed-disputing-facts.html

It's a fairly well known concept that you can't fix stupid, but you really can't fix firmly entrenched hatred and bigotry. Why bother trying.

 

[NinerSickness]

It's a fairly well known concept that you can't fix stupid, but you really can't fix firmly entrenched hatred and bigotry. Why bother trying.

Funny how liberals like you are consistently saying their political foes are "hateful" while calling anyone who disagrees with you "stupid."

Peace, love & harmony brother. Unless you disagree with me, in which case you're stupid, a hateful bigot or a something-we're-promoting-ofob'.

 

[WizardHawk]

Funny how liberals like you are consistently saying their political foes are "hateful" while calling anyone who disagrees with you "stupid."

Peace, love & harmony brother. Unless you disagree with me, in which case you're stupid, a hateful bigot or a something-we're-promoting-ofob'.

Funny how people who can't handle the truth have to put labels on those who can call things for what they are.

I've already told you I'm not a liberal and yet any time I say something YOU don't agree with you toss that out there as if it were as bad as calling someone "stupid".

What would you call someone who ignores the overwhelming evidence and not only stands firm on it, but goes well over the top and makes a total ass out of themselves? Well you have your terms and I have mine.

Now if you'd like to keep calling someone who has voted for more republicans than dems in their life, is firm on limiting government and fiscal responsibility, and identifies more with libertarians a liberal then I'll find a special word to describe you as well.

 

[NinerSickness]

Funny how people who can't handle the truth have to put labels on those who can call things for what they are.

I've already told you I'm not a liberal and yet any time I say something YOU don't agree with you toss that out there as if it were as bad as calling someone "stupid".

Calling someone "Liberal" is not an ad hominem statement like calling someone "stupid" is; it's a description of their political leanings. But If you're not, then you're not. Maybe you're just socially liberal.

But you're saying people who don't agree with homosexuality are "ignoring facts" or "can't handle the truth." Those are non-sequiturs. They have different morals than you do.

 

[Naughtymax]

Calling someone "Liberal" is not an ad hominem statement like calling someone "stupid" is; it's a description of their political leanings. But If you're not, then you're not. Maybe you're just socially liberal.

But you're saying people who don't agree with homosexuality are "ignoring facts" or "can't handle the truth." Those are non-sequiturs. They have different morals than you do.

Unfortunately, inasmuch as condemning a person who 'doesn't agree with interracial marriage or desegregation' is also appropriate, homophobes are bigots. This is a statement of fact. If you can't face your bigotry, that's your problem. Iadmit that I've never met a bigot in the Western world who I consider to be of above average intelligence. You have access to enough information to know that:

'Gay is a choice' is truly stupid. Like below-80-IQ stupid. Nobody on this Earth would choose the hatred and ostracism that accompanies being gay. To suggest that this is true is just idiotic. If you don't like being called on it, too bad.

'Homosexuality is immoral' - this may be true for members of your religion. If you're too slow to recognize that people who don't subscribe to your religion don't have to follow your beliefs then see the first point above. If you also condemn equally thieves, liars, wearers of cotton-poly blend, bacon-lovers, men who shave, and adulterers, then at least you'll be morally consistent. Never met a Christian who followed the entire Bible, though (me included). Hasidic Jews are the only group of whom I am aware who really follow the Old Testament.

Let's say instead that we're not socially liberal but instead socially adult and intellectually honest. As opposed to the bigot brigade who truly are too stupid to realize their blatant hypocrisy. Sorry if it hurts, but it's absolutely true.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Unfortunately, inasmuch as condemning a person who 'doesn't agree with interracial marriage or desegregation' is also appropriate, homophobes are bigots. This is a statement of fact. If you can't face your bigotry, that's your problem. Iadmit that I've never met a bigot in the Western world who I consider to be of above average intelligence. You have access to enough information to know that:

'Gay is a choice' is truly stupid. Like below-80-IQ stupid. Nobody on this Earth would choose the hatred and ostracism that accompanies being gay. To suggest that this is true is just idiotic. If you don't like being called on it, too bad.

'Homosexuality is immoral' - this may be true for members of your religion. If you're too slow to recognize that people who don't subscribe to your religion don't have to follow your beliefs then see the first point above. If you also condemn equally thieves, liars, wearers of cotton-poly blend, bacon-lovers, men who shave, and adulterers, then at least you'll be morally consistent. Never met a Christian who followed the entire Bible, though (me included). Hasidic Jews are the only group of whom I am aware who really follow the Old Testament.

Let's say instead that we're not socially liberal but instead socially adult and intellectually honest. As opposed to the bigot brigade who truly are too stupid to realize their blatant hypocrisy. Sorry if it hurts, but it's absolutely true.

Amen I knew this kid who used to work with my ex-wife at a University. He finally summed up the courage to tell his family, and they basically outcast him. He tried od ing on pills to end his life. Guy broke down crying saying" why was I born gay and not straight. When he was in HS he tried dating girls, and kissing them, but it didnt work. Like a straight guy kissing a man, no good. Anyone who thinks that being a 'Choice" is one dumb mother fucker

 

[jakedog56]

Sounds good. I'd like to come to your house and we can talk. I'll park myself in your living room and then tell you how everything is going to be. It's your house, you say? I don't care! Deal with it.

I have to admit that BoBlake does take the backlash to his initial "idea" fairly well. Most here that are subjected to the amount of abuse that he has taken here would have flipped out!

More importantly:

Hammer-
Love the new Rockford Files avi! I have recently downloaded and am rewatching the entire series. Currently into season 4.

Jim Rockford and Angel Martin are two of the greatest TV characters of the 70s!

 

[WizardHawk]

Calling someone "Liberal" is not an ad hominem statement like calling someone "stupid" is; it's a description of their political leanings. But If you're not, then you're not. Maybe you're just socially liberal.

But you're saying people who don't agree with homosexuality are "ignoring facts" or "can't handle the truth." Those are non-sequiturs. They have different morals than you do.

In life you should always be careful choosing your battles. In this case you are really taking up the cause of defending ram and his status as a bigot?

This isn't a moral question. Not in any way. He is a card carrying bigot and his entire premise is based on false information. These are not idle words. They are apt descriptions.

Those who want to assert that global warming doesn't exist or that the world is only 6,000 years old are other examples of those who simply wish to either ignore the plethora of information out there, or only listen to the discredited fringe and not do their own non biased comparison. It is either that or they are idiots that can't understand what they are comparing. There really is no middle ground here.

I still find it quite ironic that you are questioning someone giving a blanket label and yet offer up your own. You can't get all offended by the term bigot and throw around liberal in the same breath. In the case you used it, it is no less pejorative than what you claim bigot is.

So not only should you be cautious about what battles you enter into, but you might also want to not ride into it atop a high horse.

 

[Mondio]

another stomp down in the case of Seahawks vs. 9er's

 

[NinerSickness]

I still find it quite ironic that you are questioning someone giving a blanket label and yet offer up your own. You can't get all offended by the term bigot and throw around liberal in the same breath. In the case you used it, it is no less pejorative than what you claim bigot is.

People who are liberal call themselves liberals (or progressive, left-leaning & other synonyms). If you say you're not a liberal then you're not a liberal. You sound like one, but I'll take your word for it because I'm not you.

Notwithstanding, the term "liberal" is not an ad hominem attack like the word "stupid" is no matter what you say. Nobody goes around saying, "You have conservative beliefs, but I prescribe to beliefs that lean more towards stupid."

 

[WizardHawk]

People who are liberal call themselves liberals (or progressive, left-leaning & other synonyms). If you say you're not a liberal then you're not a liberal. You sound like one, but I'll take your word for it because I'm not you.

Notwithstanding, the term "liberal" is not an ad hominem attack like the word "stupid" is no matter what you say. Nobody goes around saying, "You have conservative beliefs, but I prescribe to beliefs that lean more towards stupid."

If you are going to focus on the ancillary stuff and back off of the general topic then why not get it right? I didn't call anyone stupid. I called him a 'tard'. More aptly, he and his ilk.

And you can deflect it as much as you like, but calling someone a liberal is prejudging them in the same light you are accusing others of. You may not like that assessment, but it is accurate. You gave a label to someone without having anywhere near enough information to accurately do so. And got it wrong.

Now do you still want to question using the term bigot to describe the individual I actually responded to? Shall I go post some examples of where we actually DO have enough information to use that in this case?

Notice how I really don't respond to him and won't engage him in a lengthy discussion on these topics. I already said why. That I'm actually bothering to respond to you is proof I don't think you are as much of a lost cause.

 

[NinerSickness]

If you are going to focus on the ancillary stuff and back off of the general topic then why not get it right? I didn't call anyone stupid. I called him a 'tard'. More aptly, he and his ilk.

Oh so saying "you can't fix stupid" wasn't implying he is stupid? Ok hair-splitting buddy.

And you can deflect it as much as you like, but calling someone a liberal is prejudging them in the same light you are accusing others of. You may not like that assessment, but it is accurate. You gave a label to someone without having anywhere near enough information to accurately do so. And got it wrong.

I don't need to know someone's life story to use an adjective to describe them. Liberal is a relative term. Compared to me and to anyone whose political views I respect you're a liberal. But you're claiming that "liberal" is an ad hominem attack like "stupid" is, and you're wrong. You're just patently wrong about this, but you keep refusing to acknowledge as much. If someone called Barack Obama a liberal, he would be making a factual statement. If that same person called him "stupid," he would be making an ad hominem attack.

And by the way, I have no problem with ad hominem attacks. They're just weak methods of trying to make arguments and marginalize if you're taking the incredibly courageous stance against being "hateful." You hate my position here just as much as I hate yours.

 

[WizardHawk]

It's a fairly well known concept that you can't fix stupid, but you really can't fix firmly entrenched hatred and bigotry. Why bother trying.

Oh so saying "you can't fix stupid" wasn't implying he is stupid? Ok hair-splitting buddy.

So when you read the context of that quote it reads to you that I was saying he was stupid?

Let's read it together then shall we? We already know the adage you can't fix stupid, but you really can't fix those who are firmly entrenched in their hatred and bigotry. In other words, it's much harder to sway someone fixed in their belief than trying to fix someone who is stupid.

How do you not get the comparator in that quote?

Still, nice to see you have drifted even farther from your initial indignation about Ram being called a bigot. Far easier to try to pick on the minutia of language than to try and defend that one.

Now that your attempt to put words in my mouth have failed, what then do you have left?

 

[ram29jackson]

again, how stupid are you people ? Hating gay sex is not bigotry. And homophobia does not exist.
It was a slang term created by gays to make people feel guilty about not liking their life style.


there is absolutely no case study by high ranking psych professionals of someone suffering from homophobia. And just because its in a dictionary doesn't give it validity either. Webster's constantly adds trendy/slang terms and probably got funding from a gay group to put it in.


I haven't said a damn thing about hating gay people. I hate gay sex, I disagree with it and know for a fact that its purely a choice. That in no way shape or form qualifies as bigotry. Its illiterate to think otherwise.


again how can you want to be born into a community of people that pretty much means a death sentence and shorter life? anal sex isn't sex, its a person trying to feel dominant over another. Its a lifestyle that leads to the majority of Aids and HIV etc cases in the USA and yet you want to believe they were born to do that to themselves ?


there is no third gene, only two. Gay is a choice plain and simple.

 

[sonnyblack65]

again, how stupid are you people ? Hating gay sex is not bigotry. And homophobia does not exist.
It was a slang term created by gays to make people feel guilty about not liking their life style.


there is absolutely no case study by high ranking psych professionals of someone suffering from homophobia. And just because its in a dictionary doesn't give it validity either. Webster's constantly adds trendy/slang terms and probably got funding from a gay group to put it in.


I haven't said a damn thing about hating gay people. I hate gay sex, I disagree with it and know for a fact that its purely a choice. That in no way shape or form qualifies as bigotry. Its illiterate to think otherwise.


again how can you want to be born into a community of people that pretty much means a death sentence and shorter life? anal sex isn't sex, its a person trying to feel dominant over another. Its a lifestyle that leads to the majority of Aids and HIV etc cases in the USA and yet you want to believe they were born to do that to themselves ?


there is no third gene, only two. Gay is a choice plain and simple.

How do you know for a fact its a choice, you choose to be straight for now and then one day choose to suck dick? Please stop with your dumb shit, get a clue. Lot of woman love anal sex and there is nothing wrong with that, Mr Missionary