Best QB of the 2012 draft class

[JDM]

Luck has that John Elway swag to him where people give him credit because he swings games and Indy would be a 4-12 team without him. Seattle would probably be 7-9 or 8-8 without Russell Wilson.

Seattle would be at worst a 12 win team with that defense. It's that good.

 

[Clayton]

Seattle would be at worst a 12 win team with that defense. It's that good.

Seattle without Russell Wilson is the 3rd best team in the NFC West. At best.

 

[Smart]

Wilson: 509-800, 6475 Yards, 8.3 Y/A, 52 TD, 19 INTs, 100.6 Rating, 1,028 RY, 26 Wins
Luck: 682-1197, 8196 Yards, 6.8 Y/A, 46 TDs, 27 INTs, 81.5 Rating, 632 RY, 23 Wins

Seattle Pressure Rate: 32.5% (Worst)
Indy Pressure Rate: 26.5% (19th)

And Luck has a top 10 receiving corp while Wilson has a bottom five receiving corp.

It's so laughably one-sided.

 

[JDM]

Seattle without Russell Wilson is the 3rd best team in the NFC West. At best.

Absolutely not. Maybe they lose a tiebreaker to SF. They are still significantly better than Arizona.

 

[Clayton]

Wilson: 509-800, 6475 Yards, 8.3 Y/A, 52 TD, 19 INTs, 100.6 Rating, 1,028 RY, 26 Wins
Luck: 682-1197, 8196 Yards, 6.8 Y/A, 46 TDs, 27 INTs, 81.5 Rating, 632 RY, 23 Wins

Seattle Pressure Rate: 32.5% (Worst)
Indy Pressure Rate: 26.5% (19th)

And Luck has a top 10 receiving corp while Wilson has a bottom five receiving corp.

It's so laughably one-sided.

But Luck is throwing 50% more than Wilson. Seattle is known as a 'play defense, run the ball and make big plays in the passing game' team. Lynch is their first option

 

[Clayton]

Absolutely not. Maybe they lose a tiebreaker to SF. They are still significantly better than Arizona.

Is that why Arizona beat them in Seattle this year with Wilson?

Arizona when healthy was scary good this year

 

[JDM]

Wilson: 509-800, 6475 Yards, 8.3 Y/A, 52 TD, 19 INTs, 100.6 Rating, 1,028 RY, 26 Wins
Luck: 682-1197, 8196 Yards, 6.8 Y/A, 46 TDs, 27 INTs, 81.5 Rating, 632 RY, 23 Wins

Seattle Pressure Rate: 32.5% (Worst)
Indy Pressure Rate: 26.5% (19th)

And Luck has a top 10 receiving corp while Wilson has a bottom five receiving corp.

It's so laughably one-sided.

Nice link.

It rates Seattle as better than Indy at WR, though.

 

[Smart]

Luck has that John Elway swag to him where people give him credit because he swings games and Indy would be a 4-12 team without him. Seattle would probably be 7-9 or 8-8 without Russell Wilson.

You can say Indy would be 4-12 without Luck, but your proof is what? They gave up the ninth fewest points on defense. They have an average O-Line, and an above-average receiving corp. Plus, they play 6 of their 16 in the worst division in football.

Here's their schedule, and my predictions without Luck. Tell me where i'm off here:

Oakland (W)
Miami (L)
@ San Fran (W- Defense gave up 7)
Jacksonville (W)
Seattle (L)
@ San Diego (L)
Denver (L)
@ Houston (W)
St. Louis (L)
@ Tennessee (L)
@ Arizona (L)
Tennessee (W)
@ Cincy (L)
Houston (W)
@ Kansas City (W- Defense gave up 7)
Jacksonville (W)

8-8. Just like Seattle would be without Russell.

 

[JDM]

Is that why Arizona beat them in Seattle this year with Wilson?

Arizona when healthy was scary good this year

It's a division game. Division games can almost always go either way.

Wilson was not asked to do much of anything. They are where they are because their defense is that good.

 

[Smart]

Nice link.

It rates Seattle as better than Indy at WR, though.

Based almost exclusively on Percy ("I played 12 plays for Seattle") Harvin. Wait until they come out in 2014. Nobody in their right minds thinks the group Seattle fielded is anything more than below average.

 

[Smart]

But Luck is throwing 50% more than Wilson. Seattle is known as a 'play defense, run the ball and make big plays in the passing game' team. Lynch is their first option

If you watch both teams, you know who has more open receivers, and it's not Russell.

 

[Clayton]

If you watch both teams, you know who has more open receivers, and it's not Russell.

I have Wilson and Luck currently in the same tier, btw. They are in that 3rd tier of franchise QBs atm. Id still take Luck and probably RG3

But Seattle is a run first team and Indy is a pass first team. This would be the NBA equivalent of arguing that Russell Westbrook is a better PG than Chris Paul.

 

[JDM]

You don't get to cite an objective link as "proof" a team had a top 10 WR corps and also, at the same time, conveniently call yours bottom 5 and say the link's analysis sucks. Talk about cherry picking.

 

[Smart]

You don't get to cite an objective link as "proof" a team had a top 10 WR corps and also, at the same time, conveniently call yours bottom 5 and say the link's analysis sucks. Talk about cherry picking.

It's not the analysis that sucks, dude. It's that their analysis was based on a Seattle team that never fielded the X-Factor that was the only reason they were ranked in the first place. If I were to make a list of "states most likely to be the birthplace of the next president" and Hillary Clinton suddenly died, it would be safe to say the ranking of Illinois would be too high, and it has everything to do with changed conditions, not the analysis.

If you want to argue, you are targeting the wrong side here. You should be saying the Wayne injury means neither belongs in the top ten. The problem is that Luck's stats also sucked in the year and a half Wayne played.

 

[SteelersPride]

Luck and wilson 1 and 1a.......

 

[Clayton]

It's a division game. Division games can almost always go either way.

Wilson was not asked to do much of anything. They are where they are because their defense is that good.

Thats nonsense btw. A good example would be the game STL played in Seattle last year (not this year). We played them well for 3 1/2 quarters and then Russell Wilson pulled a drive out of his rear in the 4th and sealed the game.

Divisional games count double, really

 

[HaroldSeattle]

You don't get to cite an objective link as "proof" a team had a top 10 WR corps and also, at the same time, conveniently call yours bottom 5 and say the link's analysis sucks. Talk about cherry picking.

Come on now. They listed Harvin and Rice as receivers for Seahawks. Harvin missed pretty much the whole season and Rice the last half. Also Rice just never seemed to get back to being a top notch receiver.

Be honest JDM. How do you rate Seahawks receivers?

 

[fearthepelicans]

Wilson or Foles.

Not seeing it with Luck yet. The results haven't justified the hype.

 

[SteelersPride]

Wilson or Foles.

Not seeing it with Luck yet. The results haven't justified the hype.

if you actually WATCH they do

 

[NinerSickness]

Wilson or Foles.

Not seeing it with Luck yet. The results haven't justified the hype.

Wilson & Foles had much more help.

The Colts had no business being a playoff team this year. They had 19 guys on IR, and the non-QB talent level was on par with the Oakland Raiders. The O-line is terrible; Wayne was injured; Dwayne Allen was injured; the defense was pathetic...

If Luck were on the Bengals this year they probably would be playing Seattle.