So who wins the SB

[BF4L]

54 to 45%

A lot closer than I thought it would be.

 

[STBR 27]

Do you have proof this is one of the Broncos weaknesses? My guess is no. Well actually I don't even have to guess as I know it not to be true as I have actually crunched the numbers and the Broncos have done just fine with running backs receiving. They had what I would call one bad game against Philly where they allowed 5 catches for 81 yards but half of that came on one catch. For the year the Broncos allowed 70 catches by RB/FB for 500 yards. I wouldn't really call that much of a weakness.

7 yards per reception is not a weakness? I have watched the Broncos entire season and saw RBs repeatedly be completely uncovered in nearly every game of the season. Then if your LBs cover Lynch, RW will run and your defense has struggled with that too.

The big question is, can Manning and his glorious offense score enough to keep up with the Seattle offense? I don't think they can.

 

[Midnightangel]

7 yards per reception is not a weakness? I have watched the Broncos entire season and saw RBs repeatedly be completely uncovered in nearly every game of the season. Then if your LBs cover Lynch, RW will run and your defense has struggled with that too.

The big question is, can Manning and his glorious offense score enough to keep up with the Seattle offense? I don't think they can.

Wow, I wasn't aware that it was Russell Wilson that set records this year with TD's. Thanks for clearing that up.

Wilson's numbers were dead middle of the league at 16th with regard to passing yards and he put up 26 TD's. That pales by comparison to Manning who was more than TWICE that at 56.

Lynch rushed for 1,200 yards.

Moreno was right behind him at 1,000.

A difference of 200 yards over 16 games....that's 12 yards per game. Wow. Real huge difference there.

You guys in Seattle seem to be underestimating Denver. I can only hope your team makes that mistake as well.

Denver's offense far outstrips Seattle's. There is no comparison.

 

[STBR 27]

Wow, I wasn't aware that it was Russell Wilson that set records this year with TD's. Thanks for clearing that up.

Wilson's numbers were dead middle of the league at 16th with regard to passing yards and he put up 26 TD's. That pales by comparison to Manning who was more than TWICE that at 56.

Lynch rushed for 1,200 yards.

Moreno was right behind him at 1,000.

A difference of 200 yards over 16 games....that's 12 yards per game. Wow. Real huge difference there.

You guys in Seattle seem to be underestimating Denver. I can only hope your team makes that mistake as well.

Denver's offense far outstrips Seattle's. There is no comparison.

You are comparing Manning to Wilson and Lynch to Moreno, when you should be looking at the dumpster fire that is the Bronco defense. Seriously, how is that terrible unit going to even slow down the Seattle offense?

 

[TDs3nOut]

You are comparing Manning to Wilson and Lynch to Moreno, when you should be looking at the dumpster fire that is the Bronco defense. Seriously, how is that terrible unit going to even slow down the Seattle offense?

LOL You obviously didn't watch the Broncos playoff games.

 

[Midnightangel]

You are comparing Manning to Wilson and Lynch to Moreno, when you should be looking at the dumpster fire that is the Bronco defense. Seriously, how is that terrible unit going to even slow down the Seattle offense?

Because Seattle's offense isn't that good.

And, you may not believe this but Denver's defense in the post season has been pretty solid. They shut down the San Diego running game AND a pro bowl QB in Phillip Rivers, then shut down Blount and Tom Brady.

8 men in the box will handle Lynch well enough and Russell Wilson is not the threat that either Tom or Phillip are.

 

[STBR 27]

LOL You obviously didn't watch the Broncos playoff games.

I watched them all.

 

[SonnyCID]

OK so if Denvers defense is to be considered great because of what they have done in the postseason, is it fair to say that Denver's offense has slowed down in the postseason, settling for a lot of fgs against defenses not as good as this one?

Probably not.

 

[TDs3nOut]

I watched them all.

That is even worse! How could you have seen those two games and call the Broncos defense a "dumpster fire"? Totals 33 points and 32 first downs yielded in those two games. Perhaps you simply didn't understand what you saw.

 

[STBR 27]

Because Seattle's offense isn't that good.

And, you may not believe this but Denver's defense in the post season has been pretty solid. They shut down the San Diego running game AND a pro bowl QB in Phillip Rivers, then shut down Blount and Tom Brady.

8 men in the box will handle Lynch well enough and Russell Wilson is not the threat that either Tom or Phillip are.

Mathews had a bum ankle against Denver in the playoffs and didn't even play the second half and they only made 18 attempts to run anyway. NE only had 16 attempts and averaged 4.0 yards per carry, just didn't have enough attempts. Denver didn't stop either team, their offensive coordinators did.

Seattle's offense beat good defenses all year long, but you think the 19th ranked defense is going to stop them?

 

[TDs3nOut]

OK so if Denvers defense is to be considered great because of what they have done in the postseason, is it fair to say that Denver's offense has slowed down in the postseason, settling for a lot of fgs against defenses not as good as this one?

Probably not.

I'm not claiming Denver's defense is "great", though it has definitely been very good in the playoffs. Certainly closer to great than a "dumpster fire", which is the characterization of that unit to which I replied.

The offense has been far more balanced and chewed up clock while keeping the defense off the field in the postseason than it had previously been. That, along with some dropped balls, are the main reasons that the Broncos scoring has been down in the playoffs.

 

[Broncos6482]

OK so if Denvers defense is to be considered great because of what they have done in the postseason, is it fair to say that Denver's offense has slowed down in the postseason, settling for a lot of fgs against defenses not as good as this one?

Probably not.

The biggest reason for the Broncos decline in scoring in the postseason has to do with possessions. The Broncos points per possession is actually higher in the playoffs than it was during the season. The difference is their drives have been longer; they've been chewing up the clock (their two longest time drives of the season both came against the Patriots) which of course limits their possessions and their opponents possessions. The fact that in two games the Broncos only punted once should tell you that the offense has been just fine.

 

[Midnightangel]

Mathews had a bum ankle against Denver in the playoffs and didn't even play the second half and they only made 18 attempts to run anyway. NE only had 16 attempts and averaged 4.0 yards per carry, just didn't have enough attempts. Denver didn't stop either team, their offensive coordinators did.

Seattle's offense beat good defenses all year long, but you think the 19th ranked defense is going to stop them?

Denver's defense is about as good as Seattle's offense. It's the truth you don't want to face.

Like I said, I hope your team is just as delusional about Denver as you seem to be.

 

[SonnyCID]

Denver's defense is about as good as Seattle's offense. It's the truth you don't want to face.

Like I said, I hope your team is just as delusional about Denver as you seem to be.

Is Denver's defense the first since the 85 bears to lead the league in points against, yards against and take aways? No? Then they're not as good as Seattle. Gtfo with that bullshit.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Is Denver's defense the first since the 85 bears to lead the league in points against, yards against and take aways? No? Then they're not as good as Seattle. Gtfo with that bullshit.

LOL You misread the post that you quoted!

In any event, I think that the Seattle offense will have it's hands full with Denver's "dumpster fire" defense!

 

[Broncos6482]

Mathews had a bum ankle against Denver in the playoffs and didn't even play the second half and they only made 18 attempts to run anyway. NE only had 16 attempts and averaged 4.0 yards per carry, just didn't have enough attempts. Denver didn't stop either team, their offensive coordinators did.

Seattle's offense beat good defenses all year long, but you think the 19th ranked defense is going to stop them?

This is easily inferred from only looking at the stats, but it's not the reality of how the games played out. Both San Diego and New England tried to establish the run only to be shut down by Denver.

In the San Diego game, Mathews broke one carry for 16 yards; other than that, 4 carries, 10 yards. Woodhead was barely over 3 yards per carry, Rivers scrambled for 10 yards, and Ronnie Brown had 1 carry for no gain. The fact is that with or without Mathews, the Chargers were not having success on the ground and that's a big reason why they fell behind 17-0.

In the New England game, the Patriots came out trying to establish the run with Blount; that worked to the tune of 6 yards on 5 carries. Shane Vereen had a great average, but look at when his 4 runs came. The first was an end of the half draw that went for 5 yards. The second was on the Patriots first drive of the second half when they trailed 20-3 and went for 9 yards. The his third and fourth runs came on the Patriots final drive, with the Broncos leading 26-10 and playing prevent defense. Those carries went for 9 and 11 yards.

What's interesting is that he did have one more carry in the game, although it doesn't count on the stat sheet because it came on a two point attempt. Of course that play went for no gain.

So yeah, actually the Broncos did stop the Chargers and the Patriots from running the ball.

 

[STBR 27]

This is easily inferred from only looking at the stats, but it's not the reality of how the games played out. Both San Diego and New England tried to establish the run only to be shut down by Denver.

In the San Diego game, Mathews broke one carry for 16 yards; other than that, 4 carries, 10 yards. Woodhead was barely over 3 yards per carry, Rivers scrambled for 10 yards, and Ronnie Brown had 1 carry for no gain. The fact is that with or without Mathews, the Chargers were not having success on the ground and that's a big reason why they fell behind 17-0.

In the New England game, the Patriots came out trying to establish the run with Blount; that worked to the tune of 6 yards on 5 carries. Shane Vereen had a great average, but look at when his 4 runs came. The first was an end of the half draw that went for 5 yards. The second was on the Patriots first drive of the second half when they trailed 20-3 and went for 9 yards. The his third and fourth runs came on the Patriots final drive, with the Broncos leading 26-10 and playing prevent defense. Those carries went for 9 and 11 yards.

What's interesting is that he did have one more carry in the game, although it doesn't count on the stat sheet because it came on a two point attempt. Of course that play went for no gain.

So yeah, actually the Broncos did stop the Chargers and the Patriots from running the ball.

5 carries by SD and NE is not "establishing the run," it is abandoning it, so thanks for agreeing.

 

[SomeGuy]

I am hoping Denver but thinking Seattle. Win win in my book.

 

[SonnyCID]

LOL You misread the post that you quoted!

In any event, I think that the Seattle offense will have it's hands full with Denver's "dumpster fire" defense!

No, I didn't misread anything. Midnight said that Denver's defense is "about as good" as Seattle's. It's not.

 

[Midnightangel]

5 carries by SD and NE is not "establishing the run," it is abandoning it, so thanks for agreeing.

They got behind and had to start passing.