Brian Orakpo............Keeper or Not???

[deanpet21]

FA or you give Jenkins or Robinson a chance. Im not sure if Jackson would be brought back. Lets hope Rak takes 6-8 mil . Lets not jump the gun.

 

[j_y19]

Jenkins did not perform well in practice. They describe him as raw. You can't count on him. Robinson is also an unknown. ROLB is one of the most important positions on the defense. You have to have a guy that can apply pressure and contribute at least 10 sacks/year. If you don't have this threat, you can kiss away any production from Kerrigan as he will be double teamed. So now we don't have any pass rush. How do you think the secondary will fare in this situation.

If you don't sign Rak, you have to replace him with a proven player. You are squabbling over $2-3M a year (which is what he will get in the open market). There is no other FA out there that can replicate his production. So you next step is the draft, of which we don't have many picks.

You are just created more holes in our defense by trying to short change one of the best OLBs (top 10) in the league per most experts. I don't get it. We have the money, he has proven he can produce and we have so many other issues on this team, why make another one? I could understand if it was going to cost $12-14M, but he will go in the $9-11M range, right where he should.

 

[j_y19]

FA or you give Jenkins or Robinson a chance. Im not sure if Jackson would be brought back. Lets hope Rak takes 6-8 mil . Lets not jump the gun.

So here are the available FAs. Who you going to take?:

Anthony Spencer Cowboys $10,627,200
Brian Orakpo Redskins $3,559,000
Parys Haralson Saints $1,300,000
Rob Jackson Redskins $1,225,154
Calvin Pace Jets $1,005,000
O'Brien Schofield Seahawks $1,000,000
Jason Worilds Steelers $956,250
Darryl Tapp Redskins $865,000
Edgar Jones Cowboys $815,000
Lawrence Sidbury Colts $780,000
Reggie Walker Chargers $730,000
Jamaal Westerman Steelers $715,000
Frank Zombo Chiefs $640,000


Not one of these guys is anywhere near Orakpo"s abilities.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

we will have plebty of money if we want some big name FA's and keep Rak

the defense floundered without Rak . kerrigan has never posted a double digit sack in his career . and jackson has proven he cant come close to giving us what Rak does

dean , you need to learn from the past . big name free agents more often then not fail with us we need to stay away from a talib who is looking for a pay check because that is what he would be doing if he left a contending team like the PATS

Amen to that. Can you imagine - given the recent changes - the crap that will be written about Snyder if a move like this fails (unless of course they have ridiculous success beyond that)? You will never hear the end of it, and I am guessing that some of the same folks who advocate this move will be there to badmouth Snyder if it fails. These types of moves should be approached cautiously and used very infrequently.

 

[deanpet21]

You go with Jenkins. Jenkins would of been a 2nd or 3rd round pick if he was healthy. You don't overpay for a player just b/c you don't want to create a hole. I seriously doubt another team if going to give RAK 10 mil per season. We will see.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

You go with Jenkins. Jenkins would of been a 2nd or 3rd round pick if he was healthy. You don't overpay for a player just b/c you don't want to create a hole. I seriously doubt another team if going to give RAK 10 mil per season. We will see.

You are trippin'. He'll probably be shooting for 9mil. He's averaged 10 sacks a year with no secondary or ideal 3-4 front seven and has been double teamed for years until Kerrigan. He's a pro-bowler, he's stayed out of trouble and he's still YOUNG. If he was averaging 2-3 more sacks per year, we would not be able to keep him. Now we can get him and add FA's around him and hopefully he'll improve his numbers.

6-7mil a year? that's an insult....

 

[j_y19]

You go with Jenkins. Jenkins would of been a 2nd or 3rd round pick if he was healthy. You don't overpay for a player just b/c you don't want to create a hole. I seriously doubt another team if going to give RAK 10 mil per season. We will see.

Dean, Jenkins was not impressive last year, they described him as raw. He will not be an every down player. You are way off base on this one. Rak is one of the best in the league. Not a top 5 (yet), but easily a top 10. That is almost unreplacable.

 

[skinsdad62]

You go with Jenkins. Jenkins would of been a 2nd or 3rd round pick if he was healthy. You don't overpay for a player just b/c you don't want to create a hole. I seriously doubt another team if going to give RAK 10 mil per season. We will see.

according to rotoworld RAK is the top FA OLB and he is also on top of the football futures list

according to pro football focus rak had 10 sacks and only 2 mathis and williams had significantly more as OLBs

the other 3 had 12

and all those players had at least 457 pass rush attempts while Rak , rushing 78% of the time had 363

94 less pass rush attempts . how many more sacks could he have gotten in 94 more attempts ?

looking beyond sacks PFF had Rak listed with his sacks qb hits and hurries as 51

while raks contract wont approach mathews, ware or suggs a look at the list of 3-4 olbs only 6 avg 10 mil a season . but only 3 more fill the gap between 6-10 mil .

getting a premier OLB for less the 6 mil would take a stroke of luck and at age 27 rak can argue he should be pretty high on that list (top 5 stats wise)

half the nfl uses the 3-4 so he would have plenty of suitors . only worilds would have the combo of age (25 ) and promise to make letting Rak walk practicable

we have seen what rob jackson brings . he is a back up . that 10-6 record stuff is fluff and stuff . the defense performed better when rak is on the field

and thinking jenkins at this point is a solution is almost laughable

kruger got a 5 mil 41 mil deal 8 mil a season conner barwin got 6 years for 36 mil the dolphins gave wheeler 5yrs for 26 mil and erik walden got 4 for 16 mil

none of those are near rak's class

believing the defense will get better by letting him walk and having jenkins step in is a foolish folly

 

[deanpet21]

You cant write off Jenkins after the first year. I understand Rak is still young and has a ton of potential but you have to be careful with his contract. I think 8 mil a season is very fair. If you pay him 10-11 that would mean he is an elite player in our league. I just don't see that. The Kruger deal last year screwed up the market. Rak is probably going to be overpaid b/c of his age. If this is the case he is going to ask for 12-13mil a season which is outrageous and should be shown the door. I want him back but at the right price. I just hope there isn't a bidding war for him.

 

[j_y19]

No one is writing Jenkins off, but you can't pencil him in as the starter,either. That would be foolish. Right now, it appears he is a specialist sub. He is not ready to be a 3 down player.

 

[deanpet21]

I rather pencil Jenkins as a starter rather then give Rak 12 mil. We can find two starters in FA with that same 12 mil. Mack and Saffold come to mind. This oline could be revamped in one year just like the Bears did. Just imagine bringing in Mack and Saffold and then drafting OG Richardson in the 2nd. Wow!

 

[skinsdad62]

I rather pencil Jenkins as a starter rather then give Rak 12 mil. We can find two starters in FA with that same 12 mil. Mack and Saffold come to mind. This oline could be revamped in one year just like the Bears did. Just imagine bringing in Mack and Saffold and then drafting OG Richardson in the 2nd. Wow!

and if you do you will field one of the worst LB corps in the NFL

you are foolish , you will pay career criminal talib 7-8 mil but pass on the best defensive player on our team who is a model citizen

 

[deanpet21]

I didn't say pass on him but 12 million is crazy and even 10 million is nuts. I wouldn't call Riley and Kerrigan one of the worst LB corps in the NFL.

 

[Stymietee]

There's this thing called signing bonuses, which when administered correctly allows a team to offer smaller annual salaries. Look for Washington to do this to any and nearly all of their FA signees.


I voted maybe...because employed in the 4-3 he is properly used. Of course the off-season must be a time for him to bulk up at bit. Same thing goes for Kerrigan.

 

[skinsdad62]

I didn't say pass on him but 12 million is crazy and even 10 million is nuts. I wouldn't call Riley and Kerrigan one of the worst LB corps in the NFL.

who said we would pay rak 12 mil ? and again the stats i put out clearly indicate that he will get around 10 mil a season and he should

as for the 4-3 stymie rak and kerrigan cant play de and not get run over rak had his best season as a 4-3 outside OLB

 

[Stymietee]

who said we would pay rak 12 mil ? and again the stats i put out clearly indicate that he will get around 10 mil a season and he should

as for the 4-3 stymie rak and kerrigan cant play de and not get run over rak had his best season as a 4-3 outside OLB

If you're right, then there's nothing to debate, let them both go!!! Their shortcomings as 3-4 OLBers was in part instrumental in their not being able to get off of the field.

 

[skinsdad62]

If you're right, then there's nothing to debate, let them both go!!! Their shortcomings as 3-4 OLBers was in part instrumental in their not being able to get off of the field.

its not their shortcomings. it the scheme that haslett runs . its a read and react 3-4

 

[Stymietee]

its not their shortcomings. it the scheme that haslett runs . its a read and react 3-4

Really????????? They are both Horrible cover guys, no scheme on the planet will change that.

 

[SkinFaninATL]

This is a tough one. I have been an Orakpo fan, since his Texas days. Like many of ya'll, I wanted Orakpo badly in the 2009 Draft. Do we re-sign him? Brian Orakpo has been a good pass-rusher, but not elite. With that being said, do you pay a good player elite money? Well, it's all about the market, folks. This year, Orakpo is by far the best pass-rusher on the market. Therefore, the market will suggest that he does get paid elite money, though he's a good player.

There are some negatives. We all know that there are times, when Orakpo had problems getting to the QB. This team got to the playoffs in 2012, without him. Not to mention, this is only his second season with double-digit sack totals. Still, good pass-rushsers do not grow on trees. In addition, he did go on a tear, prior to pulling his groin in the Cowboys' game. With that being said, I'd say the Redskins franchise him. Roll the dice and see if he can get another double-digit sack season.

 

[deanpet21]

what is the franchise number?