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Well, this throws a wrench in teams plans in trying to sign Japanese players, this season, and, until a new agreement is reached.


Major League Baseball has terminated its previous posting fee agreement with Japan, according to a source, placing current young Nippon Professional Baseball players like pitcher Masahiro Tanaka in limbo.
A new MLB proposal that would allow Tanaka and other players to be posted this offseason is awaiting the approval of Japanese baseball officials, according to the source, and the sentiment among a growing number of Major League owners is to end the posting system entirely and wait to sign Japanese players when they become full free agents after nine seasons, which is the rule in Japan.
Tanaka, who led the Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles to a Japan Series championship over the well-established Yomiuri Giants in seven games this year, is the most sought after Japanese pitcher since Yu Darvish signed with the Texas Rangers before the 2012 season.
During this week's General Managers Meetings at the JW Marriott Orlando Grande Lakes, there are a number of Japanese media representatives in attendance awaiting word on the fate of Tanaka, who won 24 games without a loss until starting and losing Game 6 of the Japan Series. He came back in Game 7 and pitched a flawless ninth in relief to save the series victory.
"Since MLB canceled the existing posting agreement last year, we've been negotiating with the Japanese to revise the old system," said the source. "As of now, there is no agreement, so players can't be posted. They have a proposal from us they can accept. It's in their court."
Under the former system, teams in Japan's Pacific and Central Leagues could post a player with one to eight years of experience. Clubs in the U.S. would then provide a blind bid to purchase that player. The highest bidder was granted an exclusive window to sign him, and if that came to pass, the Japanese club received the posting bid as the purchase price for the player. If the MLB team couldn't come to terms, the player would return to his originating team, negating the posting bid.
Major League clubs are now balking at the expense of both the posting fee and a contract with the player. In Darvish's case, Texas paid the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters a record $51.7 million posting fee and signed the right-hander to a six-year, $60 million contract.
Prior to the 2007 season, the Boston Red Sox paid the Seibu Lions $51.11 million for the right to sign pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka to a six-year, $52 million contract.
In comparison, in 2001, the Seattle Mariners paid what was then a record $13 million posting fee to the Orix BlueWave for the rights to sign Ichiro Suzuki.
Other high-level Japanese signings of players like Hideki Matsui and Koji Uehara came after those players had become full free agents in Japan, and those acquisitions did not involve a posting fee.
 

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Well, this throws a wrench in teams plans in trying to sign Japanese players, this season, and, until a new agreement is reached.


Major League Baseball has terminated its previous posting fee agreement with Japan, according to a source, placing current young Nippon Professional Baseball players like pitcher Masahiro Tanaka in limbo.
A new MLB proposal that would allow Tanaka and other players to be posted this offseason is awaiting the approval of Japanese baseball officials, according to the source, and the sentiment among a growing number of Major League owners is to end the posting system entirely and wait to sign Japanese players when they become full free agents after nine seasons, which is the rule in Japan.
Tanaka, who led the Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles to a Japan Series championship over the well-established Yomiuri Giants in seven games this year, is the most sought after Japanese pitcher since Yu Darvish signed with the Texas Rangers before the 2012 season.
During this week's General Managers Meetings at the JW Marriott Orlando Grande Lakes, there are a number of Japanese media representatives in attendance awaiting word on the fate of Tanaka, who won 24 games without a loss until starting and losing Game 6 of the Japan Series. He came back in Game 7 and pitched a flawless ninth in relief to save the series victory.
"Since MLB canceled the existing posting agreement last year, we've been negotiating with the Japanese to revise the old system," said the source. "As of now, there is no agreement, so players can't be posted. They have a proposal from us they can accept. It's in their court."
Under the former system, teams in Japan's Pacific and Central Leagues could post a player with one to eight years of experience. Clubs in the U.S. would then provide a blind bid to purchase that player. The highest bidder was granted an exclusive window to sign him, and if that came to pass, the Japanese club received the posting bid as the purchase price for the player. If the MLB team couldn't come to terms, the player would return to his originating team, negating the posting bid.
Major League clubs are now balking at the expense of both the posting fee and a contract with the player. In Darvish's case, Texas paid the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters a record $51.7 million posting fee and signed the right-hander to a six-year, $60 million contract.
Prior to the 2007 season, the Boston Red Sox paid the Seibu Lions $51.11 million for the right to sign pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka to a six-year, $52 million contract.
In comparison, in 2001, the Seattle Mariners paid what was then a record $13 million posting fee to the Orix BlueWave for the rights to sign Ichiro Suzuki.
Other high-level Japanese signings of players like Hideki Matsui and Koji Uehara came after those players had become full free agents in Japan, and those acquisitions did not involve a posting fee.

The kicker in this posting fee nonsense is that they are talking about having the posting fee be the average of the top 2 bids, with a penalty to the MLB team if they don't sign the player. This is supposed to stop a team from posting a very high bid just to block other teams.

The problem is that this benefits the team making the outrageous bid. If the Yankees bid $80mm for Tanaka and the Rangers bid $50mm, the Yankees only pay $65mm to the Japanese team. How does that curtail the extremely high bid? You can still guarantee you get the player you want, and actually pay less for hid negotiating rights.
 

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did the search committee ever find hammer?
 

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did the search committee ever find hammer?

There was a search party?

I am going to stick with his absence having a lot to do with him not being needed here to wield his hammer, like he probably is elsewhere.

That said, I do hope he chimes back in. We need a ton more folks here, especially over the next 90 + days...
 

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Haven't seen him since early last week. I was out yesterday. Has he been seen?
 

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We need a ton more folks here, especially over the next 90 + days...

Already feels like an eternity & only gonna get worse
 

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Already feels like an eternity & only gonna get worse

we could discuss the 2013 Red Sox in greater detail until spring training

all in agreement?
 

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Ells & Drew in or out for '14?
 

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Ells & Drew in or out for '14?


It's almost 2014. If you are gay, you should be out already.

I don't see either returning to the Sox, as I do not think the Sox are willing to over pay for their services, and, I think both will end up overpaid once the dust settles.
 

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Drew has a good shot of going to St. Louis, fills a need for them

Ellsbury will get 100 million or more from somebody.......not here

The more I think on it, I think Francona deserves MOY over Farrell

Big, MLB radio this morning speculating on why no extension is done yet for Mattingly.......any rumors on your end?
 

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both gone

I think Napoli is back (I hope)

Ells just didnt seem to have his heart in it this season. Better off gone

Nap, on the other hand, became one of the faces of the franchise. Hed be a helluva loss & should be given a raise reflecting his value
 

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Drew has a good shot of going to St. Louis, fills a need for them

Ellsbury will get 100 million or more from somebody.......not here

The more I think on it, I think Francona deserves MOY over Farrell

Big, MLB radio this morning speculating on why no extension is done yet for Mattingly.......any rumors on your end?

According to most every source the emotional votes on Farrells side, but Tito did take a bunch of schlubs & turn them into contenders. That was no easy task
 

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Drew has a good shot of going to St. Louis, fills a need for them

Ellsbury will get 100 million or more from somebody.......not here

The more I think on it, I think Francona deserves MOY over Farrell

Big, MLB radio this morning speculating on why no extension is done yet for Mattingly.......any rumors on your end?

Indians are a nice story, but second place in a weak division is not what gets my vote. Sure, the Sox had talent on the roster, but Farrell resurrected guys like Lester, Lackey, and Buchholz this season.
 

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Ells just didnt seem to have his heart in it this season. Better off gone

Nap, on the other hand, became one of the faces of the franchise. Hed be a helluva loss & should be given a raise reflecting his value

i dont agree with you on Ellsbury, if anything, he looked more invested this year than ever before

i hate to lose him, but 120 million for a 30 year old with his injury history?

who knows what jackie bradley jr. will be, but damn, thats a lot for ellsbury

seattle, yanks or mets

one of those
 
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